TLM Shutdown

Heinrich · January 19, 2024, 05:50:28 PM

Some may have seen this in Trad, inc. media. Some falsehoods out there. Anthony Stine and Mason Dixon TLM Society are issuing retractions and apologies. I have not watched all of this, but K Hall is certainly at bro status from my POV. There is an 80 minute* advert at the beginning.

https://youtu.be/aXdauFEg0uA?si=krgKNYiT5ze4_3uQ

*/sarc

diaduit · January 20, 2024, 02:52:22 AM

14.52 ...Bingo, I never understand the hand ringing over this to be honest.

james03 · January 20, 2024, 11:46:23 AM

Good video. His main point: The Novus Ordo is not the Roman rite. I'd say it is not the Latin rite.

So here's a thought experiment. Ignore all problems with the NO Mass. Ignore the problem of Bergoglio (and for paleo-sedes, the other popes). Ignore all of that. A Pope with a good heart comes in and wants to fix things. What is an obvious solution? Simply tell the truth.

You'd say, the Novus Ordo is a new (Novus) rite. We are banishing the gay argument about "the new form" and "the old form". That's gay. Instead we will recognize the truth: the novus ordo is a new rite.

Therefore we, by our papal authority and care for our flock declare that the novus ordo and the Traditional Latin Rite are two separate rites. Therefore both will have their own bishops with separate jurisdiction, irrespective of any geological overlap."

What would happen is that the TLM would explode in size and the Novus Ordo would die.

Jmartyr · January 20, 2024, 02:24:01 PM

Quote from: james03 on January 20, 2024, 11:46:23 AMGood video. His main point: The Novus Ordo is not the Roman rite. I'd say it is not the Latin rite.

So here's a thought experiment. Ignore all problems with the NO Mass. Ignore the problem of Bergoglio (and for paleo-sedes, the other popes). Ignore all of that. A Pope with a good heart comes in and wants to fix things. What is an obvious solution? Simply tell the truth.

You'd say, the Novus Ordo is a new (Novus) rite. We are banishing the gay argument about "the new form" and "the old form". That's gay. Instead we will recognize the truth: the novus ordo is a new rite.

Therefore we, by our papal authority and care for our flock declare that the novus ordo and the Traditional Latin Rite are two separate rites. Therefore both will have their own bishops with separate jurisdiction, irrespective of any geological overlap."

What would happen is that the TLM would explode in size and the Novus Ordo would die.

Maybe after all the baby boomers die off.

Mushroom · January 20, 2024, 02:30:05 PM

His arguments against the NO helped me to leave.

Heinrich · January 20, 2024, 07:59:18 PM

Need to add that this is my parish.

Lynne · January 21, 2024, 03:09:06 AM

Quote from: Heinrich on January 20, 2024, 07:59:18 PMNeed to add that this is my parish.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Michael Wilson · January 21, 2024, 11:44:59 AM

A friend of mine in Cincinnati told me that the bishop while taking away their faculties to administer the sacraments to the faithful; still allowed them to do so to the members of their institute; if they have the guts, they should make all the faithful who attend their chapel, members of their institute, and that would allow them to continue until the next round of sanctions. However at a certain point they are going to have to go the route of the SSPX, if they want to keep the TLM and the faith.

Mirantus · January 21, 2024, 01:11:11 PM

With each passing year, Abp Lefebvre is vindicated more and more for the actions he took.

drummerboy · January 22, 2024, 11:41:12 AM

Around 14 minutes: the ol' "its still a Mass!" argument. Never understood that one. Just saying it implies there's something wrong with it.

I think most of us have gotten this treatment from family who just don't understand WHY we refuse to attend the NO. It's nice to hear it finally broken and explained.

james03 · January 22, 2024, 02:40:15 PM

Quote from: Heinrich on January 20, 2024, 07:59:18 PMNeed to add that this is my parish.

More sin heaped on the head of Cardinal Burke. More good Catholics suffering because he won't act. And he knows this is wrong. He recently called out Bergoglio asking him to clarify his stance on sodomites. The response? The letter that makes the blessing of sodomy a formal part of new church, basically giving Burke the middle finger. Are we going to get another serious sounding letter from Burke, as Catholics continue to be scandalized, deprived of sacraments, and insulted?

LausTibiChriste · January 22, 2024, 03:54:14 PM

None of them have any balls. Vigano, Schneider, Burke, et al. they just talk and talk and talk.

Vigano talks tough while he hides in his enclave doing sweet F all of substance.

We don't need more talking - we know how shitty the situation is.

james03 · January 22, 2024, 04:05:39 PM

I'm holding out for Vigano. He says Bergolio is not the Pope and that the Askanazis are running things. Hopefully he's working to get an imperfect Council together.

Hope dies last.

awkward customer · January 22, 2024, 05:01:42 PM

What will an imperfect Council achieve when there are no Catholics left in the Vatican?

james03 · January 23, 2024, 08:43:10 AM

Quote from: awkward customer on January 22, 2024, 05:01:42 PMWhat will an imperfect Council achieve when there are no Catholics left in the Vatican?

Scandal will be ended for a lot of Catholics. Many will confidently say that Bergoglio is not the Pope. This will also help in talking with potential converts. Furthermore in the secular world you'll get push back everytime the Vatican pronounces a new heresy, as opposing media will remind everyone that Bergoglio is not the Pope.

St. Robert Bellarmine called it prudent to have a council confirm a Pope is an heretic to avoid scandal, even though he held it was not needed to declare a person an heretic.