Any abuse scandals in Sedevacantist chapels?

[Greg]

Voris is making hay about the latest SSPX abuse scandal.

It occured to me that I don't recall any Sedevacantist scandals.  I am talking 'official' SV here so connected with 'the 9' Bishop Sanborn etc.  Not completely independent branches.

I realise they are much smaller than the SSPX but have they ever had an abusive priest in their ranks?

Would appear to me that if they have not, given they have less oversight, that would be a positive fruit would it not?

Anyone know of any cases?

[Stubborn]

Seems like a decade ago or so I heard of a sede priest on trial for abuse but cannot say for sure.

Beyond that, there's Francis Schuckardt, the founding father of sedeism in America and what later became the  CMRI. I remember some things from those days but mostly remember that among trads in my neck of the woods, he was a disaster. He did some bad things and there are various different reports about those things, heck, his own followers ended up kicking him out of CMRI. Whether the accusations of abuse against him are true or false I don't know, but he was certainly a source of scandal.   

[Baylee]

Voris is making hay about the latest SSPX abuse scandal.

It occured to me that I don't recall any Sedevacantist scandals.  I am talking 'official' SV here so connected with 'the 9' Bishop Sanborn etc.  Not completely independent branches.

I realise they are much smaller than the SSPX but have they ever had an abusive priest in their ranks?

Would appear to me that if they have not, given they have less oversight, that would be a positive fruit would it not?

Anyone know of any cases?

Of "the nine"? None that I'm aware of.

[Kent]

No abuse scandals among the nine. Although there's some pretty contentious theological differences between them (which have been an occasion for what some might regard as less than civil mudslinging), there's never been anything even approximating abuse.

Francis Schukhardt of course managed to get into quite a bit of trouble due to his substance abuse and cultish, controlling behavior; but that whole affair was resolved because his own congregation blew the whistle on him. There were a very insignificant few who stood by Schukhardt even after his domicile was raided, but the infant CMRI congregation was itself responsible for getting rid of that bad blood. Which speaks against, rather than toward, corruption in organization.

[Baylee]

No abuse scandals among the nine. Although there's some pretty contentious theological differences between them (which have been an occasion for what some might regard as less than civil mudslinging), there's never been anything even approximating abuse.

Francis Schukhardt of course managed to get into quite a bit of trouble due to his substance abuse and cultish, controlling behavior; but that whole affair was resolved because his own congregation blew the whistle on him. There were a very insignificant few who stood by Schukhardt even after his domicile was raided, but the infant CMRI congregation was itself responsible for getting rid of that bad blood. Which speaks against, rather than toward, corruption in organization.

Yes, Bishop Pivarunas and the CMRI go out of their way to avoid any hint/suggestion that it is going the way of Schuckhardt.

[Kent]

No abuse scandals among the nine. Although there's some pretty contentious theological differences between them (which have been an occasion for what some might regard as less than civil mudslinging), there's never been anything even approximating abuse.

Francis Schukhardt of course managed to get into quite a bit of trouble due to his substance abuse and cultish, controlling behavior; but that whole affair was resolved because his own congregation blew the whistle on him. There were a very insignificant few who stood by Schukhardt even after his domicile was raided, but the infant CMRI congregation was itself responsible for getting rid of that bad blood. Which speaks against, rather than toward, corruption in organization.

Yes, Bishop Pivarunas and the CMRI go out of their way to avoid any hint/suggestion that it is going the way of Schuckhardt.

I was speaking with a senior religious sister recently who remarked that in a way, the Schukhardt affair was providential for them because it makes them overcompensate to avoid any kind of cultish, controlling behavior. That's my paraphrase of what she said, not a direct quote.

I have gone to a lot of different traditional mass centers over the last 15 years-- Diocesan indults, SSPX, various independents, SSPV, SGG missions, and CMRI. I think a lot of people will be surprised to hear this because the basic disposition of most people toward sedevacantist clergy is to view them as severe, but I honestly and truly have found that the CMRI clergy are the most gentle, unassuming, non-imposing clergy I have ever had the pleasure of working with.  This is not to say they are not principled, but they understand better than any other clergy that their operation is not "the Church" and that they do not have the authority to make laws, impose opinions, etc.

[Bonaventure]

I've gone sspx, cmri, sede (9), diocesan, fssp.

Never saw sexual abuse directly but knew many of the typical scandals/petty politics one finds across the board: church cliques, pettiness, etc.

[Maximilian]

I have gone to a lot of different traditional mass centers over the last 15 years-- Diocesan indults, SSPX, various independents, SSPV, SGG missions, and CMRI.

As have I.

I think a lot of people will be surprised to hear this because the basic disposition of most people toward sedevacantist clergy is to view them as severe, but I honestly and truly have found that the CMRI clergy are the most gentle, unassuming, non-imposing clergy I have ever had the pleasure of working with. 

Yes, I have had that experience also. In the past couple years I had the privilege of shaking hands and speaking briefly with both Bishop Dolan (RIP) of St. Gertrude the Great and Bishop Pivarunas of the CMRI. Both of them were remarkable for the warmth, the affability, the cheerfulness, and the approachability they demonstrated. Also notable was the lack of any gleam of fanaticism in their eyes.

[Greg]

I know they are smaller but it is interesting that they appear to have avoided this.

[andy]

Being a sede is scandalous enough for me     

[Bonaventure]

Being a sede is scandalous enough for me     

In addition to being totally irrelevant and adding nothing to the conversation, laughable to say this in age of Bergoglio.

Even diocesan clergy, like Bishop Rene H Gracida, have had doubts as to Bergoglio's pontificate.

Get real.

[Jmartyr]

I think Paul VI was much worse.

[Baylee]

Being a sede is scandalous enough for me     

No, what's scandalous are the so-called "popes".

[Christus Rex]

I attended a Sede chapel for a few months in 2006.  I later found out that the nun I used to talk to after Mass was married to the priest (who I think was actually a bishop).

[Genovese]

Because sede numbers are small, less centralised, less well-known, I don't think any abuse cases will be as well reported as say those in the SSPX, FSSP, diocesan or larger organisations.