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Title: (La Salette) Were Maximin Giraud's secrets falsified?
Post by: Daniel on April 25, 2021, 05:19:43 PM
Maximin Giraud's secrets read as follows:

Quote from: http://www.catholicplanet.com/future/lasalette-maximin.htm
1. ‘Three fourths of France will lose the faith, and the fourth part, which will retain it, will practice it lukewarmly.’

2. ‘Peace will be given to the world only when men will be converted.’

3. ‘A protestant nation from the north will convert to the faith and, by means of this nation, the other nations will return to the faith.’

4. ‘The pope who will come after this one will not be roman.’

5. ‘And when men will convert, God will restore peace to the world.’

6. ‘Afterwards this peace will be disturbed by the monster.’

7. ‘And the monster will arrive at the end of the nineteenth century or at the latest at the commencement of the twentieth.

8. ‘In this time the Antichrist will be born of a nun of Hebraic descent, a false Virgin, who will have communication with the ancient serpent, with the master of impurity and putrefaction. His father will be a Bishop. He will perform false miracles and subsist only on vitiating faith. He will have his brethren, who will be children of evil but not incarnate devils like himself. Soon they will be at the head of armies, supported by the legions of hell.’

9. ‘Up, ye children of light, and fight! For behold, the age of ages, the end, the extremity is at hand! The Church passes into darkness. The world will be in a state of consternation, perplexity and confusion.’

10. On Henoch and Elias: ‘They will suddenly appear on earth full of the spirit of God, when the Church becomes darkened and the world in terrible agony. They will convert those of good will and comfort the oppressed Christians. With the help of the Holy Spirit, they will have great success against the heresies of the Antichrist. But in the end they will be delivered unto death.’

The part that I've bolded is what puzzles me most. Looks like it never happened. Can somebody explain this?

Also, did the Church approve these secrets, or only the apparition?
Title: Re: (La Salette) Were Maximin Giraud's secrets falsified?
Post by: Michael Wilson on April 25, 2021, 05:54:23 PM
Re. La Salette,
the Church approved only the apparitions, not the secrets; the secrets were placed on the Index and remained so until Vatican II.
There was a N.O. Priest who took some interest in the matter during the 1990's (Cotedeville; I think was his name) and went into the archives and compared Mellanie's secret with the one she wrote out to Pius IX; there were discrepancies. I actually met Fr. Cotedeville's parent's while I lived in Spain; very devout Catholics. La Salette the apparition is true and approved by the Church; the secrets of Melanie and Maximin were never approved and when the Bishop of Lecce Italy published Melanie's Secret, along with his approval, he was ordered to retract his approbation and also withdraw from circulation all copies of the Secret.
Title: Re: (La Salette) Were Maximin Giraud's secrets falsified?
Post by: diaduit on April 26, 2021, 04:35:38 AM
Would it not mean that anti christ be born late 19th century which would make him an adult now and ready to be made public?
Title: Re: (La Salette) Were Maximin Giraud's secrets falsified?
Post by: Daniel on April 26, 2021, 10:02:52 AM
Would it not mean that anti christ be born late 19th century which would make him an adult now and ready to be made public?

Yeah, but that would have been before 1900. So he'd be 120+ years old by now. Most people don't live that long. I suppose if a 120-year old Antichrist were to appear, wielding that sort of vigor and political power, it would be all the more seductive. (Especially if his life was prolonged through the "miracle" of modern medicine or technology.) But I always imagine Antichrist as a man of 33 years old, like Christ. Not that my imaginations really count for anything though... I am not sure what the Catholic commentators have said.

Late twentieth century, however, would make perfect sense if St. Malachy's prophecy turns out to be true. Because his prophecy, at least by one interpretation, says that Francis's reign will end on March 18, 2032, followed by (or coinciding with) the end of the world. If Antichrist begins his reign in perhaps 2029, then various dates will begin to line up with one another.
Title: Re: (La Salette) Were Maximin Giraud's secrets falsified?
Post by: diaduit on April 26, 2021, 01:45:12 PM
oh I am so dumb, had 20th century stuck in my head.

Title: Re: (La Salette) Were Maximin Giraud's secrets falsified?
Post by: TradGranny on May 24, 2021, 03:30:40 PM
Would it not mean that anti christ be born late 19th century which would make him an adult now and ready to be made public?

Yeah, but that would have been before 1900. So he'd be 120+ years old by now. Most people don't live that long. I suppose if a 120-year old Antichrist were to appear, wielding that sort of vigor and political power, it would be all the more seductive. (Especially if his life was prolonged through the "miracle" of modern medicine or technology.) But I always imagine Antichrist as a man of 33 years old, like Christ. Not that my imaginations really count for anything though... I am not sure what the Catholic commentators have said.

Late twentieth century, however, would make perfect sense if St. Malachy's prophecy turns out to be true. Because his prophecy, at least by one interpretation, says that Francis's reign will end on March 18, 2032, followed by (or coinciding with) the end of the world. If Antichrist begins his reign in perhaps 2029, then various dates will begin to line up with one another.

On the other hand, if this is the Antichrist, he might not appear to be as old as normal humans.

Also, we have no way of knowing if this is what was actually written, or if it was altered in order to discredit the apparition which speaks of apostasy in the hierarchy.