Quote from: LausTibiChriste on Today at 04:59:43 AMQuote from: Greg on Today at 12:57:26 AMIf Salvation is coming from the East then maybe we adopt their ways.
Trads who think the conversion of Russia means that they're going to adopt the TLM are in for a big surprise
Quote from: LausTibiChriste on Today at 12:19:52 AMQuote from: Michael Wilson on May 04, 2024, 04:14:08 PMAs the article states, some of the "Latinizations" such as the stations of the Cross, are centuries old; the same for the Rosary. Plus these priests have not lost the missionary spirit. Finally the use of the Old Slavonic as an antidote to the nationalism that plagues the Eastern Rites and to a greater extent the Orthodox is probably a good idea.
Rosary is a personal devotion which some Easterns practice but many do not.
Stations of the Cross sure, but what you're not getting is that these practices are alien to Easterns and while they would readily admit there's nothing wrong with them it's not for them.
Almost all liturgies outside the West said by Easterns are Old Slavonic.
You can't impose on Easterns, that's not how they work (here I'm talking in particular about Russians)...if the Church realized this in the early 20th century, and listened to Bl. Leonid and Ven. Sheptysky, we might even have had some sort of Union by now. Until those filthy Polish Jesuits got their greasy Polish Jesuit fingers over everything.
This isn't trying to evangelize a culture that is foreign to Christianity, you're talking about a Church with venerable traditions, some of which are older than ours. You can't impose.
Luckily the Church is a lot more nuanced than manual thumping Latin laymen.
The West trying to impose it's way on Russia is precisely why there's a war going on. It's no different in the liturgical realm.
You can't impose Western praxis on them. It won't work and will drive them away. And if it drives them away, we should bear some responsibility for that.
Quote from: Greg on Today at 12:57:26 AMIf Salvation is coming from the East then maybe we adopt their ways.
Quote from: Michael Wilson on May 01, 2024, 05:22:07 PMHere is a quote from St. Augustine of Hippo, considered a saint in the Orthodox ChurchCan you provide a reference for this? I heard that at least some Orthodox Christians do not consider Augustine of Hippo to be a Saint? And according to the First Council of Constantinople in 381 AD, I read that the Creed adopted there did not contain the filioque, but contains the phrase: "And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;..."
Quote from: Michael Wilson on April 20, 2024, 08:19:30 AM1.Christ founded a Church, only one.How does that apply to the Catholic Church of today?
2.The Church must be visible and apparent.
3. Composed of a body of faithful, under one government; teaching authority; agreeing and confessing one and the same doctrine.
4. Not a heterogeneous collection of individuals professing different doctrines; under different leaders.
Quote from: Michael Wilson on May 04, 2024, 04:14:08 PMAs the article states, some of the "Latinizations" such as the stations of the Cross, are centuries old; the same for the Rosary. Plus these priests have not lost the missionary spirit. Finally the use of the Old Slavonic as an antidote to the nationalism that plagues the Eastern Rites and to a greater extent the Orthodox is probably a good idea.