Honest Question about Dress codes( warning could be triggering)

[Chestertonian]

old ladies will hit you in the face with their purse if you wear a hat in churchregardless of canon law

[Older Salt]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

[Lydia Purpuraria]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

[Older Salt]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

[MilesChristi]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

Guys can't wear hats in Church.

[Lydia Purpuraria]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

Does the '83 Code trump immemorial custom, patristics, and Scripture?  (honest question)

[Older Salt]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

Does the '83 Code trump immemorial custom, patristics, and Scripture?  (honest question)

No
That is why women should wear head coverings in church.
But the 83 code says otherwise.

[aquinas138]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

Does the '83 Code trump immemorial custom, patristics, and Scripture?  (honest question)

No, but the Church has the authority to regulate its life. Previously it was a sin not to veil because the law mandated veiling; the law no longer mandates, so there is no longer a sin in not veiling. The law does not forbid veiling, so women are free to do so. Given that immemorial custom, patristics and Scripture all enjoin the practice, it is better to do so.

[Clare]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

Does the '83 Code trump immemorial custom, patristics, and Scripture?  (honest question)

No
That is why women should wear head coverings in church.
But the 83 code says otherwise.

I thought the '83 code said nothing on the subject.

[Older Salt]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

At the Novus Ordo?

No TLM
Both Rites operate under the '83 Code.

Does the '83 Code trump immemorial custom, patristics, and Scripture?  (honest question)

No
That is why women should wear head coverings in church.
But the 83 code says otherwise.

I thought the '83 code said nothing on the subject.

Yes, thus abrogating the older law.

[piabee]

In the Original Post.

Deference and subjugation are not the same thing.

[Miriam_M]

In the Original Post.

Deference and subjugation are not the same thing.

Whatever.
I spoke neither about deference to men nor subjugation to men.  Please reread my posts; you will not find anything in mine about veiling in relation to men.

Again, I will quote my own post:

Regarding the issue of "subjugation," I never think of it in relation to men.  I think of it in relation to God only.  Before God do I and should I subjugate myself.  I therefore feel privileged to "display" that subjugation -- for want of a more appropriate word.  Affirm is perhaps a better word.

[Miriam_M]

elaborating more, piabee.

I think perhaps you misunderstood my term of subjugation to mean (for some reason, I'm not sure why)  in relationship to men.  But again, I don't know where you would have gotten that.


However, I do think many Catholic women, especially ones not well read on the issue, and especially modern feminists, regard the gesture as humiliating, and regard everything St. Paul says in his Epistles, regarding men and women, as an affront to women.  Many such women misread Paul.

In addition, I think they interpret the whole thing as a double-standard (vis-a-vis men, without understanding the theology behind it). 

I don't have that problem, however.

[Penelope]

An uncharitable reply, and I apologize.  I'll be taking this to the confessional.

James, on behalf of Kaesekopf and myself, thank you for your apology. Even though AndiA will not see it, others have seen it and will be assured that you were not trying to cast a bad light on this forum community or traditional Catholicism in general.

[red solo cup]

I don't think so.

I will try it this Sunday.

Did you try it? And if so, what happened?