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"praying for the pope's intentions"
« on: August 03, 2022, 08:59:38 AM »
This is an element of the requirements for many Catholic devotions, and I don't know how to deal with it in the current circumstances.

Without getting into the minefield of the question of what this particular pope's intentions are (except to acknowledge that these are likely less than holy), I ask for some perspective from those of you with many more years of prayer experience under various papacies. Does one get it over with despite the queasiness, or does one finesse by praying for the intentions of a more sanctified though generic once-and-future pope? Or some other approach? With thanks.
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2022, 09:58:05 AM »
I have had and continue to have the same problem as you.  For me, "[this] pope's intentions" could be anything, including One World Gov't, One World Ecumenical Religion, Gaia as equal with Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Democratic Party in the U.S., the Communist party in take-your-pick country on any continent, and so on. 

In what way can I trust that "the pope's intentions" are even Catholic intentions (never mind traditional Catholic)?  I didn't care for JP2's publicity stunts or BXVI's dry, detached approach to Scripture and his intellectually dishonest (while not necessarily morally dishonest) "hermeneutic of continuity," but at least I wasn't as worried that they were Catholic outside of publicity stunts and illogical arguments.

There must be a way to pray 'with' a Pope without compromising one's own Catholic integrity or essentially using prayer to lie to God.  (!)  I think our poster Lynne may have insight into how to suspend our personal anxieties about that without being insincere, but I welcome ideas from anywhere, from anyone who struggles with this as well.
 
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2022, 10:11:09 AM »
I remember finding a list of general papal intentions in Fr. Lasance's The Prisoner of Love. Those are the intentions I pray for. I remember one being the spread of the Catholic faith. Can't remember the others off the top of my head.
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2022, 10:49:45 AM »
I remember finding a list of general papal intentions in Fr. Lasance's The Prisoner of Love. Those are the intentions I pray for. I remember one being the spread of the Catholic faith. Can't remember the others off the top of my head.

I also remember something like this - I do not know, but I am pretty sure those intentions are long gone. Here is a list of his intentions for 2022.

Fwiw, for 50 years I've replaced "for the intentions of our holy father the pope" with "for the conversion of our holy father the pope" when I say my morning offering.

Even after a long life of sin, if the Christian receives the Sacrament of the dying with the appropriate dispositions, he will go straight to heaven without having to go to purgatory. - Fr. M. Philipon; This sacrament prepares man for glory immediately, since it is given to those who are departing from this life. - St. Thomas Aquinas; It washes away the sins that remain to be atoned, and the vestiges of sin; it comforts and strengthens the soul of the sick person, arousing in him a great trust and confidence in the divine mercy. Thus strengthened, he bears the hardships and struggles of his illness more easily and resists the temptation of the devil and the heel of the deceiver more readily; and if it be advantageous to the welfare of his soul, he sometimes regains his bodily health. - Council of Trent
 
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2022, 11:31:16 AM »
At Latin Masses that I have attended, there is a declaration (or prayer) of being "una cum" (one with) Pope Francis.
 
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2022, 11:36:36 AM »
I just pray for the pope.
The royal feast was done; the King
Sought some new sport to banish care,
And to his jester cried: "Sir Fool,
Kneel now, and make for us a prayer!"

The jester doffed his cap and bells,
And stood the mocking court before;
They could not see the bitter smile
Behind the painted grin he wore.

He bowed his head, and bent his knee
Upon the Monarch's silken stool;
His pleading voice arose: "O Lord,
Be merciful to me, a fool!"
 
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2022, 05:02:01 PM »
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O Jesus, through the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I offer You my prayers, works, joys, and sufferings of this day in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass throughout the world. I offer them for all the intentions of Your Sacred Heart: the salvation of souls, reparation for sin, and the reunion of all Christians.

His August prayer intention cannot be faulted. Perhaps this prayer of the apostleship of prayer is from the side of Francis who prays his Office with an old Latin breviary.

His talk with the video was the usual:

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As a consequence of the pandemic and the wars, the world is facing a grave socio-economic crisis. We still don’t realize it!
And among those most affected are small and medium-sized businesses.
Stores, workshops, cleaning businesses, transportation businesses, and so many others.
The ones that don’t appear on the world’s richest and most powerful lists, and despite the difficulties, they create jobs, fulfilling their social responsibility.
The ones that invest in the common good instead of hiding their money in tax havens.
They all dedicate an immense creative capacity to changing things from the bottom up, from where the best creativity always comes from.
With courage, with effort, with sacrifice, they invest in life, creating wellbeing, opportunities, and work.
Let us pray for small and medium-sized businesses, hard hit by the economic and social crisis, so they may find ways to continue operating, and serving their communities.


The Vatican was and is, via the IOW, a tax haven. I suspect given the words of Francis against the mafia, the legitimate businessmen (maybe the 'Ndrangheta of Calabria who are said to import much of Europe's cocaine), probably are still welcome to do business there. That's how hypocrites work. That being said, any responsible medium to high net worth individual will make every effort to organise their affair in a tax efficient manner.

The traditional intentions are always good:

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The Exaltation of the Church
The Propagation of the Faith
The Extirpation of Heresy
The Conversion of Sinners
The Concord between Christian Princes
The Further Welfare of the Christian People

A prayer for Francis to cease scandal, for him generally, cannot be wrong. We are meant to pray for our persecutors, even if it be so hard.
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2022, 07:58:37 PM »
I pray for the "objective intentions" of the pope,

https://fatima.org/news-views/catholic-apologetics-9/

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By offering our prayers for the intentions of the Holy Father we are not praying for the personal intentions of Pope Francis but rather for the six objective intentions of the Holy Father as the Church Herself teaches.

What are the 6 intentions of the Pope? The 6 objective intentions of the Holy Father are as follows:

The Exaltation of the Church
The Propagation of the Faith
The Extirpation of Heresy
The Conversion of Sinners
The Concord between Christian Princes
The Further Welfare of the Christian People
In conclusion, I can leave you with no better advice than that given after every sermon by Msgr Vincent Giammarino, who was pastor of St Michael’s Church in Atlantic City in the 1950s:

    “My dear good people: Do what you have to do, When you’re supposed to do it, The best way you can do it,   For the Love of God. Amen.”
 
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Re: "praying for the pope's intentions"
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2022, 08:54:49 PM »
The Pope being tempted by the demon is not strange, and here is the fact:

"Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, “God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you.” He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.” (Matthew 16: 22 and 23)

Maybe Pope Francis is undergoing the same situation when he thinks more about pleasing humans that he describe to be the importance of brotherhood and himself acting and portraying the role of the good pastor at the expense of the will of God. We must be one with him as the steward of the sit of St. Peter. Not on his issues of pachamama and the likes of them.
 
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