Chinese dropping like flies

[Tales]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050311/its-pneumonia-everybody-china-knows-about-many-deaths-will-never

From local HK English newspaper interviewing Wuhan residents whom say their deceased family members were hurriedly cremated and do not show up in official statistics.

[Miriam_M]

I would note that the one child policy forces abortions onto Chinese parents.  Meanwhile in the West the abortions are done by the mother's own choice (or under duress from her parents / boyfriend / husband).  Whereas the West was raised in the cradle of Christendom, the Chinese never had it.  Keep that in mind when considering God's justice.

I'm sure I agree with you on that!  That said....

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/china-ends-one-child-policy

On this day in 2015, the Chinese government officially announces the end of its one-child policy, ending the most extreme state birth control project in history after 35 years.

Adapted from a two-child policy instituted in 1970, these extreme measures were deemed necessary due to concerns over the rapidly expanding Chinese population, which had ballooned from 540 million in 1949 to 940 million by 1976. Amid global fears of overpopulation, the Chinese government decided to limit families to one child each, although exceptions allowing for two children were common.

The government mandated intrauterine devices for women after giving birth to their first child, and women who had multiple children were frequently subject to forced sterilization. Families were fined for having more than one child. Enforcement of the rule was uneven across China, with exceptions commonly granted for couples whose first child was a girl or a boy who suffered from a disability. As such, by 2007 China Daily reported that less than 40 percent of the Chinese population was actually limited to one child. Still, the policy succeeded in dramatically decreasing the birth rate, which fell from 2.8 births per woman in 1979 to 1.5 in 2010.

The abolition of the policy in 2015 was not the end of state birth control programs in China—the government simply returned to the two-child policy that was in place before 1980. In addition to major criticisms of the state's forced IUD and sterilization programs, critics also point to statistics that suggest the one-child policy led to sex-selective abortion, usually of girls in rural China, and of the abandonment of many children, also predominately girls. Overcrowding in orphanages became common, and families also complained of the "4-2-1" problem—for every four elders, there could now legally be only two children and one grandchild to support them in their old age.

The government's reason for abandoning the one-child policy, "to improve the balanced development of population," hints at the gender discrimination and subsequent gender imbalance that resulted from the policy. Nevertheless, many Chinese, especially women, remain bitter at the state's treatment of families and its refusal to apologize for the one-child policy.

Some of the Chinese families I work with had two children in China, then came here to have their third.

And while I won't quote from the following, it disagrees with the date (2016, supposedly) and also discusses consequences and reversals of the above.  Interesting about the 1.5 figure, also.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/beijings-one-child-policy-is-gone-but-many-chinese-are-still-reluctant-to-have-more/2019/05/02/c722e568-604f-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

Not trying to derail the thread, just providing some perspective. 

[Tales]

Yes, my wife (mainland Chinese) has a brother.  The policy is far more complex than merely one child for every family.  There are many heart breaking stories that come from it.

[james03]

Official stats:

60,000 infected.  1365 dead.  8243 serious.  Looks like the death rate will be between 10-20% untreated.

In Australia and Thailand it looks like 1/3 have recovered.  Very promising.

So the take away remains:  If you treat this, maybe the death rate is below 5%.  If you allow your medical system to get overwhelmed (China), it will be higher and spread more.

No new deaths in Japan.

Another story to watch is economic collapse in China.  Many experts are saying the reported infection rate in China is way low.

[martin88nyc]

to understand what is going on watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfR50lNuTg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR21FHQngP7tHCIM3ufOPk8JwFuJyqZob_oOWVuIw6RKP3jEyODMZt0Bz5s

[james03]

ZH reporting new case in San Diego.  The good news is that both cases in SD occurred at the quarantine center.  Hopefully we'll start to get some case data.  We have a sizable number in Japan, Singapore, and Austrailia, so I imagine that data is being generated.

[Tales]

HK dioceses has cancelled all Masses until at least February 28th.  This will likely get pushed back much further.  My wife's baptism has been delayed to Pentecost at earliest.

HK schools further delayed till March 16th at earliest.

[martin88nyc]

to understand what is going on watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfR50lNuTg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR21FHQngP7tHCIM3ufOPk8JwFuJyqZob_oOWVuIw6RKP3jEyODMZt0Bz5s

https://www.globalresearch.ca/all-sectors-us-establishment-lock-step-deep-states-latest-bio-war/5702773/amp

Global Research
VIDEO: The "Lock Step" Simulation Scenario: "A Coronavirus-like Pandemic that Becomes Trigger for Police State Controls"

Helen Buyniski 

By now, those following the novel coronavirus epidemic are familiar with Event 201, the pandemic simulation staged by Johns Hopkins University in conjunction with the World Economic Forum, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Johnson & Johnson, and other ruling-class heavy hitters in October. The media establishment has already picked the story clean, set up and eviscerated a straw man ("No, Bill Gates didn't cause the coronavirus epidemic, silly conspiracy theorists!"), and convinced the group itself to issue a statement denying their exercise was meant to predict the behavior of the actual virus to follow.

But few are aware that the epidemic playing out in China and two dozen other countries, including the US, is unfolding in line with a decade-old simulation titled "Lock Step" devised by the Rockefeller Foundation in conjunction with the Global Business Network. The scenario, one of four included in a publication called "Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development" in 2010, describes a coronavirus-like pandemic that becomes the trigger for the imposition of police-state controls on movement, economy, and other areas of society.

The Lock Step scenario describes "a world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback." In "2012" (i.e. two years after the report's publication), an "extremely virulent and deadly" strain of influenza originating with wild geese brings the world to its knees, infecting 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million people in just seven months – "the majority of them healthy young adults." It devastates global economies and ruptures international trade. But not everyone, the Rockefeller Foundation makes clear, is hit equally.

Countries of Africa, southeast Asia, and central America suffer the worst "in the absence of official containment protocols" – it wouldn't be the Rockefeller Foundation if someone wasn't licking their lips at the thought of a mass die-off in the Global South – but western "democracies" also pay the ultimate price. "The United States' initial policy of 'strongly discouraging' citizens from flying proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the US but across borders," the report warns. But remove such obstacles as 'individual rights' and you have a recipe for surviving, even thriving in the event of a pandemic, the Foundation gushes:

"A few countries did fare better – China in particular. The Chinese government's quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing-off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery."
The message is clear – police state good, freedom bad. And other governments rapidly get the message, according to the simulation. First and third world nations alike follow suit by "flexing their authority" and imposing quarantines, body-temperature checks, and other "airtight rules and restrictions" – most of which, the report is careful to note, remain in place even as the pandemic recedes into the past. "In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems – from pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty – leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power."

This global power-grab is facilitated by a frightened citizenry who "willingly gave up some of their sovereignty – and their privacy – to more paternalistic states in exchange for greater safety and stability...tolerant, and even eager, for top-down direction and oversight." Everything from tighter biometric identification to stricter industrial regulation is welcomed with open arms. It takes over a decade for people to "grow weary" of the authoritarian controls imposed in the wake of the pandemic, and hints that even the civil unrest that ultimately manifests is focused on the developed world. After all, a popular uprising in the technocratic police state envisioned by the simulation would be all but impossible – as it will be in real life once 5G makes real-time total surveillance of all cities a reality.

Pin the blame on the dragon

It remains unclear what – or who – unleashed the novel coronavirus in Wuhan. The initial claim that it originated in bats from a "wet market," in which live animals are sold and then butchered in front of the customer, couldn't have been more perfect from a western point of view – wet markets are reviled in the West, where consumers prefer that the animal cruelty required to put meat on their tables happens behind closed doors. While wet markets would seem to improve food safety by making it impossible to sell "mystery," mislabeled or expired meat, time and again they are fingered as disease vectors by the disapproving West, every time followed by calls to ban them entirely. However, the Huanan seafood market hadn't sold bats for years, meaning – if the "wet market" hypothesis is to persist – an "intermediate host" species would be required to get the virus to humans. Snakes were nominated, even though scientists weren't sure they could be infected by a coronavirus – it was more important that they eat bats and were sold at the market. Three weeks after the Huanan seafood market was shuttered and disinfected, a Lancet study put the last nail in the hypothesis' coffin, revealing the first several coronavirus cases had no exposure to the market at all. Perhaps unsurprisingly, this has not discouraged the media from continuing to blame it for the epidemic.

Beyond the disintegrating "official story," rumormongers have pinned the blame on the Chinese government, suggesting that through malice or incompetence Beijing released a virus cooked up in a top-secret bioweapons program operating in the city's high-security lab. The chief purveyor of this theory is Dany Shoham, an Israeli biosafety analyst, which should raise a forest of red flags in anyone familiar with Israel's own experiments in gene-targeted biowarfare even before taking into account Shoham's own history of fraudulently blaming Saddam Hussein's Iraq for the 2001 anthrax attacks. Other outlets spreading this theory cite American biosafety consultant Tim Trevan, who opined in a 2017 Nature article – published before the Wuhan lab even opened! – that "diversity of viewpoint" and "openness of information" are both critical to the safe functioning of such a high-risk lab and alien to Chinese culture. The persistence of the "lab accident" theory of coronavirus' creation thus owes more to cultural chauvinism and sinophobia than any fact-based clues.

While many alt-media outlets have fingered Event 201 as the replica "drill" that so often coincides with a false flag event, few are aware that on the day after that simulation, the 2019 Military World Games kicked off in Wuhan, bringing 300 US military personnel to the city. Former Malaysian PM Matthias Chang, however, zeroed in on the games as the likely entry point for what he described as a biological war waged by the US against China. In an interview with the Institute for War and Peace Reporting last month, Chang placed coronavirus on a continuum of American bio-attacks he said included deliberate infection of Guatemalans with syphilis and gonorrhea and Cubans with dengue fever, as well as creating the Ebola epidemic in Sierra Leone.

As of February 4, there are over 1,000 times more coronavirus cases in China than outside of it, and the foreign cases appear to be ethnically Chinese where reported. This is not a coincidence – a recent scientific paper revealed the enzyme which serves as a receptor for novel coronavirus is produced by a certain type of lung cell found in "extremely large numbers" in Asian men compared to those of other ethnicities. Even more intriguingly, those lung cells are involved in the expression of "many other genes that positively regulating [sic] viral reproduction and transmission." The paper's authors stop short of suggesting the virus came out of a lab, instead drily observing that it seems to have "cleverly evolved to hijack this population of [lung] cells for its reproduction and transmission," but one man's clever viral evolution is another's expert bioweapon development.

Certainly, American researchers have been surreptitiously collecting Chinese DNA for decades. A notorious Harvard School of Public Health program in the mid-1990s drafted village medics to administer "free physicals" to locals "with asthmatic symptoms." These "checkups" were conducted as part of a genetic project that also involved the US National Institutes of Health and Millennium Pharmaceuticals, supposedly aimed at "identify[ing] and characteriz[ing] genes that play a role in causing asthma and other allergic disorders." It later emerged that the researchers had secured the required consent forms from neither the local experimental ethics board nor the test subjects themselves. A government inquiry was commandeered by an insider and squelched. Over 200,000 DNA samples were thus collected and spirited out of the country.

US military literature has been lusting after genetically-targeted weapons for at least 50 years. The infamous Project for a New American Century, whose members have been steering the US ship of state into a series of icebergs since the George W. Bush administration, described gene-specific bioweapons as a "politically-useful tool," part and parcel of the "new dimensions of combat" in which the future's wars would unfold. In 1998, the year after PNAC's formation, reports Israel was working on just such a weapon to target Arabs while leaving Jews untouched flooded the media – part PR campaign, part warning. And it is DARPA and other divisions of the US military, not  the Chinese, that has been intensively studying bat-borne coronaviruses for years, even as their own high-security biowarfare labs are being shut down for shoddy safety procedures.

Meanwhile, the likelihood of the Chinese government unleashing a genetically-targeted virus on its own population is vanishingly low. Unlike popular attitudes of "white guilt" in the West born of a hangover from colonialism, the Chinese do not traffic in racial self-loathing – indeed, outsiders have accused the Chinese of an unspoken, unshakeable belief in their own racial superiority, and regardless of whether that belief is problematic, it is unlikely to lead to intentional self-genocide. Even if behavior-correcting false flag was sought by Beijing in Hong Kong, where US-backed pro-"democracy" protests have raged destructively for months, such an event would not have been unleashed hundreds of miles away in Wuhan.

Never let a good crisis go to waste?

The real-life coronavirus is much less virulent than the pandemic described in Lock Step, with an official death toll of "just" 427 and a global infection toll of "only" 20,629 as of February 4, and the dead were mostly over 60 with preexisting medical issues. Economies worldwide are nevertheless in free-fall just like the simulation predicted. This drop is fueled by scare-stories percolating in establishment media and alt-media alike (the name of an actual article in ZeroHedge by a Rabobank analyst: "What if we are on the brink of an exponential increase in coronavirus cases?") while videos of dubious origin appearing to show horrific scenes from within China keep the virus viral on social media. Adding to the fear is coronavirus' lengthy incubation period, up to two weeks in which a carrier could be blithely spreading it to everyone they meet, creating a constant threat of a "boom" in cases just around the corner.

China's economy, of course, is being hit the worst, and the epidemic's timing could not have been more disastrous from Beijing's point of view, coming on the eve of the Lunar New Year holiday. At this time, some 400 million Chinese travel around the country to see family, mostly in the high-speed bullet trains that have their hub in – you guessed it – Wuhan. With much of this travel having occurred before the city was quarantined, cases are likely in their incubation phase all over the country, making today's numbers look like a rounding error.

Correspondingly, the situation couldn't be better for the American ruling class: a pandemic that targets Asians striking China just when it's most vulnerable is a powerful blow to the rising superpower. And in case anyone still believes the circumstances of the virus' ascendance are merely an extended string of coincidences, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross took that plausible deniability and stomped on it last month, unable to stop himself from gushing that coronavirus would "help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America" in an interview with Fox News. Prefacing his victory lap by saying he didn't "want to talk about a victory lap over a very unfortunate, very malignant disease," he pointed out that businesses will be forced to take China's inexplicable susceptibility to deadly viruses into account when reviewing their supply chains. Unmentioned, but adding to the perfect economic storm, was Trump's signature on the USMCA trade agreement, supposed to bring in an extra 1.2 percentage points in GDP growth.

"On top of all the other things, you had SARS, you had the African Swine virus there, now you have this," Ross said, hammering home the point by linking coronavirus to other suspect plagues. Just as many scientists concluded SARS was a manmade bioweapon, many – scientists and statesmen as well as alternative media – have raised the alarm about coronavirus. Good luck finding any of their statements on Google, however. Facebook, Youtube and Twitter have been hard at work removing coronavirus "rumors," and Google has memory-holed hundreds of search results regarding Chinese accusations of biowarfare. Even on platforms that don't censor on government orders, the baseless claims from Shoham and other disinfo artists about Chinese biowarfare have muscled any comments from Chinese officials out of the way. Even the former Malaysian PM's comments are obscured behind a Farsi language barrier – his original comments inexplicably missing from English-language media and reprinted only by Iran's IRIB News Agency (this author can no longer even find the tweet that alerted her to those comments, but would like to thank that person).

Coronavirus is not the doomsday epidemic it is being portrayed as by irresponsible media actors. But as the Lock Step scenario makes clear, one does not need massive die-off or victims exploding in geysers of blood in the streets to achieve desired social goals. It's possible the novel coronavirus epidemic is a "dry run," a test of both China's readiness to handle an outbreak and of the international community's reaction to such a plague. It's even possible, though unlikely, that the epidemic was a mistake – that the virus escaped from a lab, likely American, by accident.

It's also possible the plague may suddenly become more virulent. Certainly the media buzz the first week of February is that coronavirus is close to being declared a "pandemic" by the WHO, which will necessitate the type of control measures hinted at in Lock Step and described more exhaustively in Event 201. From "limited internet shutdowns" and "enforcement actions against fake news" to government bailouts of "core" industries, mandatory vaccinations, property seizures, and other police-state provisions laid out in the Model State Emergency Health Powers Acts passed in many US states in the paranoid aftermath of 9/11, the totalitarian nature of these provisions is limited only by the imagination of the regime carrying them out. Once events proceed to that stage, it is extremely difficult to reverse them. We would be wise not to allow this to happen.

[james03]

65,000 officially infected.  1490 official deaths.  10,000 serious.  Death rate in China is probably around 10-20%.

1 death out of 252 infected in Japan.  80 yr. old woman.  So low mortality in Japan so far (flu level), which is promising.  I think Japan is the country to watch.  At 252 infected, this will start to be a strain on their medical department.  Most are quarantined on the cruise ship.

Singapore just added 11 cases.   Seems like they are entering exponential growth.  Not good.

US added 2 cases, up to 15.  One additional quarantine victim, which is "good" news.  No info on the other, but listed as California.

[Kreuzritter]

The downside is you have to suffer the aspersions of armchair philosophers. Let's just say it's a very good thing you're not a public health official.

The same public health officials who gave you the standard American diet and told you saturated animal fat and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease? The same ones who pushed pasteurised dairy and banned sales of raw milk? The same ones who gave you the carcinogenic birth control pill? The same ones who put a cell-destroying, IQ-lowering toxic byproduct of the aluminium industry into your drinkign water? The same ones who allowed mercury in vaccines without any safety studies ever beign conducted on it? Holy moly.

[Kreuzritter]

What? If you want to focus on Wuhan alone, it has a population of 11 million. The numbers you give result in 1 death every 33k people versus 1 death every 22k people respectively. I'm not "off" by anything

Wuhan states 5 million left the city before CNY, hence I am using 6 million for the population as the deaths are predominantly occuring well into CNY (and after).  Given the extreme quarantine and numerous lockdowns across the nation, I assume few if any of the 5 million have returned.  And so in the last month Wuhan had 500 deaths over 6 million people, or 1 in 12k.

The US flu season so far has killed 10-12k, but flu season stretches back to October.  It peaks somewhere around now so I'll ballpark that 5k occured in the past month across 330 mil Americans, or 1 in 66k.

And of course the stats in America are far more reliable than those in China - the China figure is almost certainly too low.  US flu season is peaking now whereas we have no reason to believe the coronavirus is anywhere near its peak.

The overseas data over the next 5 weeks will be the most telling.  If overseas looks good then its some local issue (air pollution, toxins, bad hospitals, whatever).  But if we start seeing overseas deaths start to trickle in as we saw in early January, then its just beginning.

Yes, you halve and double figures as it suits you, and there's still not an "order of magnitude" difference.

[Tales]

This video is worth watching:



Singapore and Hong Kong both have patients in critical condition from Covid19.  I am unsure about Singapore but at least with HK at minimum one is merely a local (hence evidence against it being Hubei-specific).  One elderly Japanese lady has also passed from Covid19 pneumonia, again with no apparent connection to Hubei either.  Both Singapore and HK have top-notch medical systems, presumably Japan as well, so these are places to watch.  The interview in Caixin with the Wuhan doctor also shows that they are not jokers but rather very serious professionals.

Also a paper from Los Alamos estimates the R0 to be around 6, which if true means it is an unstoppable pandemic barring a miracle or antiviral / vaccine.  The paper also estimates that with all of the extreme interventions in China it has only lowered the R0 to 3, which is still an unstoppable pandemic.

Again I note that the concern facing the world is not just the virus but the supply chain disruption that is related to the virus.  I recommend this article noting what the former US CDC head said about this:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050349/coronavirus-us-dependence-china-pharmaceutical-ingredients-will

US drug companies rely heavily on China as a supplier of raw materials that go into the production of active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), said Scott Gottlieb, former head of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

"In many cases China is the sole source of that material," Gottlieb, who led the FDA for two years under Trump, said during a hearing on Capitol Hill.

The key ingredient to make many Western medicines are solely produced in China and now there is no more supply.  Again I warn anyone whom relies upon medicine to immediately purchase many months' worth of inventory.  This stuff will be sold out soon and then you are in the hands of the Chinese as to when new supply will be available.

This also goes for many other things, such as cleaners, which are sold-out in much of Asia now.

Not that there is any personal action which can be taken on this but I worry about the oxygen supply for hospitals.  Wuhan is apparently running low on oxygen supplies.  Where do local US hospitals source their oxygen from, how secure is that supply chain, how much can be produced?  How many ICU beds are there, how many nurses to staff them during a pandemic?  Again there is nothing any of us individually can do about that specific matter but it is more reason to be excessively prudent in trying to avoid Covid19 so as to avoid the crush in the hospital like what is currently going on in Wuhan.

In more positive news, here is an interesting explanation relating sleep and the immune system (as we all already know sleep is very important, but here is a little more incentive to be serious about sleeping well).



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[Tales]

Yes, you halve and double figures as it suits you, and there's still not an "order of magnitude" difference.

KR,

And you can use improper population figures as it suits you and also totally ignore the reality that the initial setup of a flu epidemic and this novel epidemic are totally different.  The flu is always everywhere, it just flares up and settles down with the seasons, kind of like a rising tide.  But this novel pandemic started in one location and now needs time to spread out everywhere (within the city and then across the world).  The number of people seeding these epidemics are completely different and that makes early stage comparison inane.

China has the flu just like every country has the flu.  In Tianjin, literally a thousand km away from Wuhan, they just strictly quarantined over 10,000 because one person in the community tested positive for Covid19.  Why do you suppose the Chinese are doing this across their entire country and resulting in tens to hundreds of billions of dollars of losses, plus raising the anger of a billion citizens, if they do not perceive this to be a dire threat to their country?

I am as skeptical of modern Western medicine as you are.  Everything you said in your post about raw milk and what not probably 99% of us agree with.

[christulsa]

Side questions Davis, out of curiosity what TLM in HK do you all attend?  What are the priests and trads there thinking of/doing about this crisis?   (and Deo gracias your wife will be receiving baptism)

[james03]

Official numbers:  67,000 cases.  1526 dead.  11,000 listed as serious.

On the good side, no new cases in USA.  No new deaths in Japan, Singapore, or the US.  Still cautiously optimistic that if you keep your health system intact, we are looking at a flu type scenario outside of China, especially if you are healthy.

In China is a different story where it looks like the death rate will be 10-20%.  Again the economic threat might be the big deal.

Egypt got its first case.  There are a lot of Chinese in Africa.  If it takes off there, it will be catastrophes.