Chinese dropping like flies

[Vetus Ordo]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update 39 with critical care specialist Roger Seheult, MD of https://www.medcram.com

A new model from the peer-reviewed Journal Science predicts that people who had not been diagnosed with COVD-19 were the source of 79% of the reported cases in China... and that 86% of COVID-19 infections.  Dr. Seheult also discusses new and limited data on hydroxychloroquine as a possible coronavirus treatment and ionophore for zinc.

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[Vetus Ordo]

And by the way, for those that agree with the idiot in the video, thinking they are young and strong enough to survive the corona virus and don't give a feck about the elderly, it just so happens that a 21 year old guy from Spain died of the corona virus the other day.

Yes. Sadly, Francisco García also had leukaemia which exponentially increased the level of risk that he was exposed to after contracting the virus.

Anyway, even if it were just the elderly that died of this virus that wouldn't change anything about what is morally required of all of us. This is something that we'll have to overcome as a community, not as individuals. The South Koreans set the best example so far.

Exactly.

They realized that he had leukemia after he died; isn't that how it went?  Anyway the young and healthy are not always getting a free pass from this.  A simple search shows people as young as 45 years old, or 30 years old, or a teenager or even a newly born infant have died of the corona virus.

No, Francisco found out about the leukaemia when he was admitted to the hospital. They informed him that he had pneumonia and leukaemia. Poor guy. He could have made it if he hadn't cancer, though.

And yes, this virus can kill the young. The WHO has highlighted that fact recently. Although the elderly remain the most relevant risk group, for obvious reasons, the young can also develop severe complications on account of this virus. It varies from person to person.

[james03]

Tim Pool reported that New York now has to put two people on one ventilator.  Also a Navy hospital ship is heading for New York.  Note 99% of the patients are probably elderly and/or have underlying conditions.

If Tim's report is correct, expect an increase in panic and more drastic lock downs for New York.

I had my daughter prepped to leave Chicago, which she did.  I'm very happy we were prepared.  Again, for the vast majority the major threats are panic, shortages, quarantines, and economic upheaval.

If you are late and need advice, check out the prepping thread.

[diaduit]

I'm convinced I had the virus at Christmas. I now have ear infection which is clearing up but I've a very sore sternum and a tight feeling in my chest cavity. Lungs perfect though and no aches or pains, slight high temp at times but not feverish. No cough. A little fatigued. I have been taking zinc and some natural antivirals for about 4 weeks now. 
Since Monday, I've been spraying colloidal silver in my mouth and taking 2g of vit c powder with some probiotic powder mixed in.
The worst symptom is the sore chest/sternum. Feels like someone did a Mike Tyson punch at this area.
If this is my second round of the virus, I'm not to bad, if it's my first round...,pfffft.

[diaduit]

One bonus of covid 19........it shut Greta up 

[Xavier]

Mike's and Vetus' warnings are absolutely spot on. Here's a comparison, for those Americans who think Trump's measures are too strict or disproportionate: Italy's population is about 60 million and it has had 35,000 cases being lax at first and with a moderately strict approach in the later days. US population is 330 million. 5 1/2 times. If there'd been a similar outbreak in the US, it would be beyond 180,000 cases. It's now about 10,000, much much lesser than what it would have been without safety measures. To stay mostly indoors for about a couple of weeks until the next steps can be discerned is not that big a sacrifice; but not having made those basic regulatons may have caused the situation to escalate irreversibly.

In India, most Indians agree with our government's tough approach. We don't even want to think of what may have happened in India without that required and necessary toughness, which was absolutely required and proportionate; it's just we feel citizens could do even more than we are doing to contain it. I don't want to see millions becoming infected and dying.

The UK government also regrets it didn't take stronger action earlier on. Basic measures are sufficient to contain the virus for now; as opposed to a laissez faire approach of just carrying on as normal, because these aren't normal times. The world is at war is a good way to describe it. There would have been 10 times more infections without precautions.

220,000 cases. 9000 deaths. 176 countries. About 88% penetration worldwide. At around 4:15 GMT, on March 19.

[martin88nyc]

I'm convinced I had the virus at Christmas. I now have ear infection which is clearing up but I've a very sore sternum and a tight feeling in my chest cavity. Lungs perfect though and no aches or pains, slight high temp at times but not feverish. No cough. A little fatigued. I have been taking zinc and some natural antivirals for about 4 weeks now. 
Since Monday, I've been spraying colloidal silver in my mouth and taking 2g of vit c powder with some probiotic powder mixed in.
The worst symptom is the sore chest/sternum. Feels like someone did a Mike Tyson punch at this area.
If this is my second round of the virus, I'm not to bad, if it's my first round...,pfffft.

Try to take about 15g of Vitamin c and drink more colloidal silver. I try to drink 1g of vitamin c every hour to increase absorption. Of course liposomal is best.

[Xavier]

Trump said: "This is not a financial crisis, this is just a temporary moment of time that we will overcome together as a nation and as a world." 

Economic or financial implications will come later on. Defeating the virus right now is priority 1. Our role is to ensure it doesn't spread to others.

If the virus is contained, people can get back to work once the crisis is over. In one or two months after the outbreak ceased, production would easily rise to pre-crisis levels or even more. Stocks and other things would come back to normal later on. They are falling now, but they will recover all that later. Stock markets should be closed right now, imo.

In the real economy, this advice seems fair: "Just remember that there's no need to buy out the stock at your local grocery store. "Right now there's no indication that food retailers will be unable to meet the demand of consumers," Pike said, and "it's also important to consider the needs of others and not overbuy."

So only purchase what you actually need -- and these items will last you awhile, which is convenient when you're unable to leave your abode." https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-quarantine-grocery-list-drayer-wellness/index.html

[Xavier]

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-coronavirus-can-also-attack-the-nervous-system,-causing-neurological-conditions-and-even-viral-encephalitis

"Breaking News! Coronavirus Can Also Attack The Nervous System, Causing Neurological Conditions And Even Viral Encephalitis

Source : Coronavirus News  Mar 05, 2020  14 days ago

As the new SARS-Cov-2 coronavirus is an extremely new virus that is fast spreading globally and wreaking havoc, there have been no prior verified studies on it and the medical community is only just beginning to discover new facets about it day by day. As the coronavirus itself is also evolving, some of these information becomes absolute and are superseded by new data that is available. Chinese researchers at ground zero are busy working hard as they have to treat patients and also conduct clinical studies to understand more about this new coronavirus.



While most of the past studies have focused on how the coronavirus attacks the respiratory system due the typical symptoms manifested by most patients, new research and studies are demonstrating a disturbing indication that the new coronavirus can also attack the central nervous system in a variety of ways and in some cases cause long term damages or even fatalities due to CNS attacks.

In a non-peer reviewed study published in MedRxiv,
((https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.22.20026500v1.full.pdf)but has been confirmed by so many medical doctors working on ground zero in Wuhan, the study shows that the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus can also attack and damage the nervous system.

The paper was published by Dr Hu Bo, director of the Department of Neurology, Union Hospital Affiliated to Huazhong University of Science and Technology, China showed that thirty percent of patients have neurological manifestations out of a sample of 214 newly diagnosed patients. Among them, there were 88 critically ill patients and 126 non-critically ill patients. The average age of the patient samples was 52.7 years,

More than 30% of patients developed neurological symptoms. The results showed that 78 patients had neurological symptoms, accounting for 36.4% of the total sample. Researchers have divided the "nervous system symptoms" into categories including central nervous system related symptoms such as headache, dizziness, disturbance of consciousness, acute cerebrovascular disease including epilepsy, and peripheral nervous system symptoms such as decreased taste, decreased smell, and appetite.

Past studies on the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) and MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) coronaviruses have also demonstrated that they cause nerve and CNS damage, and neurological impairment.

In most cases, it was found that central nervous system damage was the highest. Researchers have pointed out that new coronavirus may invade the central nervous system through blood or retrograde neuronal circuits, causing damage to the central nervous system.

The researchers cautioned that for patients with Covid-19 pneumonia, in addition to respiratory symptoms, doctors should pay close attention to any neurological manifestations.
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Viral Encephalitis Detected In Ditan Hospital.

Meanwhile over at Ditan Hospital in Beijing, doctors have has clinically confirmed that the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is able to cause CNS damage when it documented a case of Viral Encephalitis caused by the virus.

On March 4, Beijing Ditan Hospital affiliated to Capital Medical University disclosed that a 56-year-old patient with coronary pneumonia was confirmed by genetic sequencing to have SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus in the cerebrospinal fluid. (http://china.caixin.com/2020-03-04/101523973.html)

The treatment of this patient was presided over by Dr Liu Jingyuan, director of the ICU of Ditan Hospital.

On January 24th, The patient: Dr Sun Yingchun, a professor at Communication University of China, was diagnosed with Covid-19 pneumonia and admitted. He was the 35th patient diagnosed with new coronary pneumonia in Beijing. ??

Dr Liu Jingyuan  examination found that the patient had exhibited certain conditions related to CNS damage but could not find anything even with imaging as a CT scan of the patient's head revealed no abnormalities in the skull and normal CSF biochemical tests.

However, diagnostic test on the extracted cerebrospinal fluid of the patient showed the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus and the patient was diagnosed with Viral Encephalitis and treated accordingly.

Dr Liu Jingyuan reminded the medical staff in the front line of anti-epidemic treatment that when patients exhibit conditions related to CNS Damage and neurological complications, it was critical have to cerebrospinal fluid tested for the coronavirus through nucleic acids tests and genome sequencing so as to ascertain the presence of Viral Encephalitis and have it treated accordingly as this helps reduce mortality rates.
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China has upgraded its national guidelines of treating coronavirus to include looking out for CNS damage and other neurological conditions and also Viral Encephalitis."??

Wikipedia: "Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain.[5] The severity can be variable with symptoms including headache, fever, confusion, a stiff neck, and vomiting.[1] Complications may include seizures, hallucinations, trouble speaking, memory problems, and problems with hearing.[1] Causes of encephalitis include viruses ..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis

[John Lamb]

But, on the bright side, I am pleasantly surprised by just how many people, even some I would never have suspected, are not buying the story. Unfortunately, that doesn't include most "trad Catholics", and I finally see how badly I misjudged this group. The truth is not here.

Hey I haven't bought it. My first reaction to my friend over the phone was (half jokingly) telling him that I'm going to assume it doesn't exist. Actually, my first reaction was being a bit irritated by how panicked and agitated another Catholic friend was. Honestly it could well be a contagious virus for all I know. I barely know what a "virus" is. I just have a built up distrust of mass media and a disdain for mass hysteria. Save some of your anger for when the thing blows over. You can't wake people up too early.

[John Lamb]

Historian and author Dr. Roberto de Mattei agrees with Pat Buchanan.  Good essay.

Coronavirus is 'the killer of globalization' and a 'scourge' from God: Roberto de Mattei
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/coronavirus-is-the-killer-of-globalization-and-a-scourge-from-god-roberto-de-mattei

Catholic commentators: won't let a crisis go by without inducing apocalyptic fear in us.

When everyone around us is going mad, it's always comforting to know that God is angry with us as well. 

[John Lamb]

Those military trucks driving across Bergamo in the picture shared by the Italian newspaper La Repubblica are carrying coffins to other cities of Lombardy to proceed with cremations.

The city and cemetery morgue in Bergamo can't take the overload.

Thankfully there was a camera there to catch the convoy so we could all participate in the panic parade.

[John Lamb]

One thing I'm glad about: that I'm getting to live through a time in which the established order, through its arms of government, medicine and media, has shown just how evil it is and how far it will go with its plans and big lies, and on the other hand, how absolutely deluded the overwhelming majority of human beings are. It's only opened my eyes even further to what an all-encompassing lie this world is. But, on the bright side, I am pleasantly surprised by just how many people, even some I would never have suspected, are not buying the story. Unfortunately, that doesn't include most "trad Catholics", and I finally see how badly I misjudged this group. The truth is not here.

You're damned right that the gloves are off this time and I'm pulling no punches against the Father of Lies, his minions, and the masses of the hypnotised. My hatred of this evil and ignorance has no bounds. I exist to defy it, even if I can do no more than refuse to accept it's "reality".

Yes, I think most of us had realized by now that the red pill has always been your religion and that your spurious encounter with Jesus has only been able to produce daily contempt for those who are actual Christians.

But if he's even half right he has a right to be angry. He shouldn't be throwing out angry accusations at people, but that's no greater an evil than those spreading fear and hysteria around.

[Tales]

Spreading "fear & hysteria" is only wrong if its done knowingly falsely.

The governments of China, Japan, Iran and Italy whom allegedly claim to be dealing with this alleged virus have taken extreme action to protect their people from it.  This information alone is enough to be reasonable in assuming something dangerous is afoot and warning about it and taking action against it.  It isn't the wolf crying perpetual lying media that matters but the actions taken by serious governments which indicate there is potentially a major threat imminent.

If you are wrong and you catch the virus and pass it along to your elderly family & friends and they catch it, how will you feel?

[Kreuzritter]

Spreading "fear & hysteria" is only wrong if its done knowingly falsely.

No. It's always evil. The root of fear, hysteria and untruth is evil.

The governments of China, Japan, Iran and Italy whom allegedly claim to be dealing with this alleged virus have taken extreme action to protect their people from it.  This information alone is enough to be reasonable in assuming something dangerous is afoot and warning about it and taking action against it.  It isn't the wolf crying perpetual lying media that matters but the actions taken by serious governments which indicate there is potentially a major threat imminent.

Delusions. Delusions of a human being who sees himself as a child in the playschool run by government. Delusions of a human being who can't see through the patently obvious agenda driving an absurd over-reaction to a molehill of a disease to strip away fundamental human rights.