Angelus Press

[Gerard]

Really?   Sspx asking for support for the angelus is akin to sisters and nuns adopting reiki???

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Look at the patterns.

One of the things that I found compelling about the SSPX years ago was the fact that they weren't always sending envelopes and constantly asking for handouts beyond the second collection.

I remember when "Priest where is thy Mass" was first published and Fr. Ken Novak gave one of his blistering sermons.  He explained how the book was sent to every priest in the U.S. and the costs were picked up by other benefactors. He said, "We aren't going to ask you to foot the bill.  You people are all exhausted doing what you do." 

You go into any Novus Ordo and you'll constantly be barraged with the missionaries, Peter's Pence, Catholic Charities, tithing, get your subscription to the Ligourian, donations for an inner city parish, whatever nutty program is coming to the parish, Alpha or whatever the flavor of the week is. 

Nowadays, the SSPX appeals are in full swing, the envelopes keep showing up, the e-mail appeals, the "buy from Amazon through our site."  schtick.  Don't forget about the new Seminary project.  We need 3 million dollars for the roof. 22 million dollars for the completion of the project.  But if you give 10 grand, you'll be in the perpetual mass intentions.  And not a mention of a crisis in the Church in all of it, justifying its existence.  But it is "green" with 100+ geothermal wells for heating. 


 

[Kaesekopf]

That's a real shame.

However, is there any chance the wells have dried up?  Or people are being stingier?  Speaking solely anecdotally from what I've seen online, most of our young SSPX/trad men aren't encouraged to get higher-paying jobs.  Or, they just have no drive to earn anything above what is required to sustain themselves and no one else. 

And, has anyone tried to 'be a missionary' for the SSPX?  Do we have people working to bring more and more to Tradition and to the SSPX?  Or are we just hunkered down in our chapels and closing ourselves off to spreading the Faith? 

A lot has changed in the last decade, and I have no doubt the economic climate/situation has changed as well. 

[james03]

Don't forget about the new Seminary project.  We need 3 million dollars for the roof. 22 million dollars for the completion of the project.

Building the seminary will suck up a lot of funds, but it is a great investment.

[Gerard]

Don't forget about the new Seminary project.  We need 3 million dollars for the roof. 22 million dollars for the completion of the project.

Building the seminary will suck up a lot of funds, but it is a great investment.

For a current peak of 20 ordinations? I don't think so. I don't think they can make presumptions or projections to justify such a massive project that can be accomplished much more cheaply and in better locations for promoting vocations and fighting the crisis in the Church. 

Other Church (Protestant and Catholic) buildings are being sold off for songs by comparison.  It would probably be financially worth a court battle with the Phila. archdiocese which plans on selling or leasing off a number of buildings  and land at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary.  They could potentially make a good faith offer and if they are refused for being "LeFebvrists", file a discrimination suit against the archdiocese since they are perfectly suited to take over the place and maintain its integrity. 


   



 

A gated treasure sits for sale in Lower Merion.
Last month, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia announced a portion of St. Charles Borromeo Seminary is for sale or lease. The seminary sits on 75 prime acres across from Lankenau Hospital.
"It's not a fire sale. We are not auctioning it off tomorrow. We are entertaining all ideas and interests," said Laura Jachetti of the Archdiocese. "Whoever the occupant is will need to maintain the integrity of what we do-- no casino. It's very important."
And that means no Walmart either, according to Jachetti.
Marc Frohman and his wife Susan LaPalombara stood on their porch gazing across the street at the seminary. "I'm definitely nervous. They are in a tough spot. The neighborhood understands they can't sustain it," said Frohman.
LaPalombara expressed concern about the building being ripped down. "There's not this kind of land in Lower Merion," she added.
According to an Archdiocese news release, St. Charles will consolidate its seminary program in a separate upper campus bu idling and will retain 30 acres.
The E-shaped building for sale was built in the 1920s. It boasts 350,000 square feet in space. Some of the amenities include:

four floors of usable space

multiple chapels

indoor pool

fitness center

basketball court

marble floors and high ceilings

three courtyards

laundry room

dining room

three office suites

numerous classrooms

tennis courts

Archbishop Charles J. Chaput addressed the seminary program consolidation in his March 7 column. He wrote, "These are major changes - and they're not the last ones we need to make in the way we live as a believing community."
Chaput himself will need to move as he currently resides in the building for sale.
"What worked 150 years ago just doesn't work now," said Jachetti. "There's no rush we are just going to see what could be done with the property."
Archdiocese director of communications Kenneth Gavin confirmed the seminary "is its own legal entity with its own board structure."
"Saint Charles Borromeo Seminary is the heart of our church in Philadelphia, and we remain dedicated to not only maintaining its presence in our community, but strengthening it for many generations to come. Our commitment to providing the best possible program of priestly formation for the benefit of our seminarians and the people they will one day serve is unwavering," said Chaput.
Interested in the purchase of lease of the property? Call the Archdiocese Office for Property Services at 215-587-3560.



Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Seminary-for-Sale-202187741.html#ixzz365klWBTl
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[Aquila]

Don't forget about the new Seminary project.  We need 3 million dollars for the roof. 22 million dollars for the completion of the project.

Building the seminary will suck up a lot of funds, but it is a great investment.

For a current peak of 20 ordinations? I don't think so. I don't think they can make presumptions or projections to justify such a massive project that can be accomplished much more cheaply and in better locations for promoting vocations and fighting the crisis in the Church. 

Other Church (Protestant and Catholic) buildings are being sold off for songs by comparison.  It would probably be financially worth a court battle with the Phila. archdiocese which plans on selling or leasing off a number of buildings  and land at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary.  They could potentially make a good faith offer and if they are refused for being "LeFebvrists", file a discrimination suit against the archdiocese since they are perfectly suited to take over the place and maintain its integrity. 


   



 

A gated treasure sits for sale in Lower Merion.
Last month, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia announced a portion of St. Charles Borromeo Seminary is for sale or lease. The seminary sits on 75 prime acres across from Lankenau Hospital.
"It's not a fire sale. We are not auctioning it off tomorrow. We are entertaining all ideas and interests," said Laura Jachetti of the Archdiocese. "Whoever the occupant is will need to maintain the integrity of what we do-- no casino. It's very important."
And that means no Walmart either, according to Jachetti.
Marc Frohman and his wife Susan LaPalombara stood on their porch gazing across the street at the seminary. "I'm definitely nervous. They are in a tough spot. The neighborhood understands they can't sustain it," said Frohman.
LaPalombara expressed concern about the building being ripped down. "There's not this kind of land in Lower Merion," she added.
According to an Archdiocese news release, St. Charles will consolidate its seminary program in a separate upper campus bu idling and will retain 30 acres.
The E-shaped building for sale was built in the 1920s. It boasts 350,000 square feet in space. Some of the amenities include:

four floors of usable space

multiple chapels

indoor pool

fitness center

basketball court

marble floors and high ceilings

three courtyards

laundry room

dining room

three office suites

numerous classrooms

tennis courts

Archbishop Charles J. Chaput addressed the seminary program consolidation in his March 7 column. He wrote, "These are major changes - and they're not the last ones we need to make in the way we live as a believing community."
Chaput himself will need to move as he currently resides in the building for sale.
"What worked 150 years ago just doesn't work now," said Jachetti. "There's no rush we are just going to see what could be done with the property."
Archdiocese director of communications Kenneth Gavin confirmed the seminary "is its own legal entity with its own board structure."
"Saint Charles Borromeo Seminary is the heart of our church in Philadelphia, and we remain dedicated to not only maintaining its presence in our community, but strengthening it for many generations to come. Our commitment to providing the best possible program of priestly formation for the benefit of our seminarians and the people they will one day serve is unwavering," said Chaput.
Interested in the purchase of lease of the property? Call the Archdiocese Office for Property Services at 215-587-3560.



Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Seminary-for-Sale-202187741.html#ixzz365klWBTl
Follow us: @nbcphiladelphia on Twitter | nbcphiladelphia on Facebook

The Society tried to buy multiple N.O. properties, including multiple former seminaries, that were being closed down. Each time, the sale fell through once the diocese found out the SSPX would be using it. The fact is, the dioceses' (sic) have the right to sell to whomever they want to, discrimination or otherwise. Proving a discrimination case would be extremely difficult and costly, and there is no guarantee the Society would win.

[Aquila]

Don't forget about the new Seminary project.  We need 3 million dollars for the roof. 22 million dollars for the completion of the project.

Building the seminary will suck up a lot of funds, but it is a great investment.

For a current peak of 20 ordinations? I don't think so. I don't think they can make presumptions or projections to justify such a massive project that can be accomplished much more cheaply and in better locations for promoting vocations and fighting the crisis in the Church. 

Other Church (Protestant and Catholic) buildings are being sold off for songs by comparison.  It would probably be financially worth a court battle with the Phila. archdiocese which plans on selling or leasing off a number of buildings  and land at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary.  They could potentially make a good faith offer and if they are refused for being "LeFebvrists", file a discrimination suit against the archdiocese since they are perfectly suited to take over the place and maintain its integrity. 


   



 

A gated treasure sits for sale in Lower Merion.
Last month, the Archdiocese of Philadelphia announced a portion of St. Charles Borromeo Seminary is for sale or lease. The seminary sits on 75 prime acres across from Lankenau Hospital.
"It's not a fire sale. We are not auctioning it off tomorrow. We are entertaining all ideas and interests," said Laura Jachetti of the Archdiocese. "Whoever the occupant is will need to maintain the integrity of what we do-- no casino. It's very important."
And that means no Walmart either, according to Jachetti.
Marc Frohman and his wife Susan LaPalombara stood on their porch gazing across the street at the seminary. "I'm definitely nervous. They are in a tough spot. The neighborhood understands they can't sustain it," said Frohman.
LaPalombara expressed concern about the building being ripped down. "There's not this kind of land in Lower Merion," she added.
According to an Archdiocese news release, St. Charles will consolidate its seminary program in a separate upper campus bu idling and will retain 30 acres.
The E-shaped building for sale was built in the 1920s. It boasts 350,000 square feet in space. Some of the amenities include:

four floors of usable space

multiple chapels

indoor pool

fitness center

basketball court

marble floors and high ceilings

three courtyards

laundry room

dining room

three office suites

numerous classrooms

tennis courts

Archbishop Charles J. Chaput addressed the seminary program consolidation in his March 7 column. He wrote, "These are major changes - and they're not the last ones we need to make in the way we live as a believing community."
Chaput himself will need to move as he currently resides in the building for sale.
"What worked 150 years ago just doesn't work now," said Jachetti. "There's no rush we are just going to see what could be done with the property."
Archdiocese director of communications Kenneth Gavin confirmed the seminary "is its own legal entity with its own board structure."
"Saint Charles Borromeo Seminary is the heart of our church in Philadelphia, and we remain dedicated to not only maintaining its presence in our community, but strengthening it for many generations to come. Our commitment to providing the best possible program of priestly formation for the benefit of our seminarians and the people they will one day serve is unwavering," said Chaput.
Interested in the purchase of lease of the property? Call the Archdiocese Office for Property Services at 215-587-3560.



Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Seminary-for-Sale-202187741.html#ixzz365klWBTl
Follow us: @nbcphiladelphia on Twitter | nbcphiladelphia on Facebook

Besides, if the Society was spending money on suing the diocese to buy a seminary, you'd be complaining about "Judas Fellay" wasting money/time on that too.

[Elliott]

I don't see why it's a problem to build an expensive seminary. I wouldn't care if it cost three times as much. It is good to build beautiful things for God. They do need more space.

[dymphna17]

Not quite sure what you are talking about Gerard.  I've always received "appeal" letters from various SSPX schools and retreat centers.  It's the nature of the business when you are on your own for raising funds.  I don't mind getting them and I don't mind giving.  It's the best cause I can think of.  Don't you get all those Jog A Thon letters?  We are trying to rebuild the church on our property, that would cut down on standing room only Masses.  Should we not ask for help?  How does that make us the problem?

ETA  To fix a couple of grammar problems.  Sorry, I'm in the middle of a migraine and the meds are wreaking havoc with me.

[Gerard]

The Society tried to buy multiple N.O. properties, including multiple former seminaries, that were being closed down. Each time, the sale fell through once the diocese found out the SSPX would be using it. The fact is, the dioceses' (sic) have the right to sell to whomever they want to, discrimination or otherwise. Proving a discrimination case would be extremely difficult and costly, and there is no guarantee the Society would win.

I doubt they would win at all. But, I would think that an attempt to preserve something of the Church from being secularized is worth a bit of a fight. Plus, like going into a Basilca and praying the Rosary in order to thwart Buddhist monks from chanting is a good thing if only to bring the reality of the crisis to the fore. 

But aside from that, an extravagant new construction gets approved while the faithful having mass in shacks are forbidden to improve or replace their chapels is another contradictory stance. 

Fr. Pfeiffer spent his last year or so in Farmingville scouting out buildings for sale that could be converted into a larger, sturdy and fully functioning improvement on what they had been using at St. Micheal's.  He found a great place and had a plan to convert it so it would have been a vast improvement.  And he was transferred to India and was chastised for spending too much money on the sanctuary at St. Michael's. 

And Fr. Pfeiffer as we all know, knows how to build a Church from scratch or whether to restore and transform a previously built building with his oversight of the construction of St. Isidore the Farmer. 

[Gerard]

I don't see why it's a problem to build an expensive seminary. I wouldn't care if it cost three times as much. It is good to build beautiful things for God. They do need more space.

The chapels are being shortchanged (the actual places where God is being worshipped in it's highest form) and the seminary is burning through money on a great gamble. 

I'm sure there are some older buildings that are in good shape that could serve the purpose of a new seminary for far less money.  i bet they could buy buildings bult as Catholic buildings and sold to Protestants and buy them from the Protestants. 

[Gerard]

Not quite sure what you are talking about Gerard.  I've always received "appeal" letters from various SSPX schools and retreat centers.

The frequency and the packaging have all stepped up over the last few years.  I would rarely get an appeal from the SSPX. 

It's the nature of the business when you are on your own for raising funds.  I don't mind getting them and I don't mind giving.  It's the best cause I can think of.  Don't you get all those Jog A Thon letters?  We are trying to rebuild the church on our property that would cut down on standing room only Masses.  Should we not ask for help?  How do that make us the problem?

Anyone remember Fr. Paul Wickens?  He built a beautiful chapel from the ground up for his flock and the faithful raised the money themselves and built it.  Would they have been able to build it if he'd also planned an outsized seminary or a 15,000 square foot rectory attached to it? 

[Gerard]

Besides, if the Society was spending money on suing the diocese to buy a seminary, you'd be complaining about "Judas Fellay" wasting money/time on that too.

He'd be spending less time and less money for one thing.  He'd be bringing the fight to the diocese and preserving (or at making the attempt)  the material patrimony of the Church.  Wasn't St. Mary's an old Jesuit Seminary? 

Restoring the Church is what the SSPX is for, not replacing the Church, chapels are the equivalent of M.A.S.H. units, they are not parishes and they should not be.  Too many people in SSPX situations don't want to fight the crisis, they want to pretend it's a different Church and die in their "parish/chapel."     

As it stands, I'm pretending in this discussion that I don't believe Bp. Fellay is up to something.  In my most cynical speculation, I believe this seminary is designed to break the finances of the SSPX faithful and create a huge strain on the sacrifices made.  That will soften them up for the next phase of the acclimation to the "hermeneutic of continuity" with Vatican II. 

30 million will be spent on a  new seminary with the donations of faithful that will really be pushed to make sacrifices.  When they find out that there is no militancy being taught but only a "positive" love of tradition and no real difference between what the FSSP gets formed in, they will be loathe to admit that what they gave so much for has been corrupted. 

I hope I'm wrong on that, but I won't be surprised at all if this seminary survives as something truly traditional for less than10 years.  I could even imagine it being completed and then put very quickly right into the hands of the local ordinary as a sign of "good faith" and "obedience" to the law of the Church.