Why isn't Marxism Judeo-Christian?

Started by Aethel, February 13, 2023, 12:16:11 PM

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Quote from: Aulef on February 24, 2023, 07:02:56 PMBut you may be right when it comes to deriving marxism from talmudism. Communism/socialism was begotten among these people. Some of them even confessed both are closely linked.

 So, I've been reading the Talmud and really it has no connection with Marxism. It isn't progressive either. They even discuss if a man should hold his privates while he pees lest he accidentally masturbates, which they consider a sin.
  What IS true is Marxism from the get go was very Jewish in it's members. The idea of being a chosen people, etc might have a conditioning effect. Marx himself mocks the Talmud and Moses.
 More likely if there is a jewish influence is via Kabbalahism, which itself is partially neo-platonic. Kabbalahism of Luria mentions the idea of jews being gods instrument to improve the world and make it conform to Torah (god's law). A revolution to put the world into a proper order could be similar.
 But, like, even the Zohar of De Leon that is considered a start for Kabbalah (along with much older Sefer Yetzirah) isn't so marxist. It praises the good of obeying god, it praises the destruction of witches, bewares the evil Lilithe, etc. While severly re-interpreting the books of moses to the point it introduces reincarnation, it still has a deal of connection with Judaism.
  Later on you DO get the upside-down pro-sin Kabbalahist messiah in 1666 of Zabbatai Zvi (Saturn is Zabbatai), but that isn't really in Zohar or Talmud. The later followers of Zabbatai Zvi can be an influence on anti-morality movements I guess, but that are a real break from even the Zohar.

  Really, I think what you got to look at most is Plato with his republic. That's for the intellectual backdrop to Marxism from the western tradition. Revolution fetishism comes from the french revolution. Jews get involved and perhaps it's from the idea of "jews will save the world", but I don't think the content of Marxism is very jewish in a religious way.
 
 I guess there was the selfish motive of "let's set up our own rule" and an actual desire to end wrongs on earth with Marxism. After Stalin and WW2 many of them moved away from old marxism and got into identity politics. That also has a sort of empathetic aspect, but beneath the surface and in the long run it's very power hungry and nihilistic, with a hope to destroy western civilization with minority coalitions, anti-rationality, perversion and constant criticism. Adorno in his "negative dialectics" is pretty explicit that their method was to critique and destroy with no actual wish to discover truth.

  Ok, this is too long.

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Quote from: Aethel on February 13, 2023, 12:16:11 PMThe Church had no problem burning down all the pagan temples and centers of literacy / knowledge that was deemed hostile to itself.

  It's more the opposite. The pagans couldn't write and the Church taught them how and gave them books.