Why isn't Marxism Judeo-Christian?

[GMC]

Monks live communally, but, and this is the difference from marxism, monk's lifestyle it's willingly, only for those who have that vocation. Even the episode narrated in the Acts of the Apostles only happened in Jerusalem, and there is no record that Christians in Antioch or elsewhere did as well. And they shared their goods willingly.

The Church preaches charity, but charity can only be willingly, there is no charity if I share my goods with the poor because they force me through wealth redistribution policies or because they expropriate me. That isn't what Christ preached or what the Church defends or defended in the past. Poverty is evangelical advice, but it's not mandatory for everyone.

Marxism would in any case be a perversion of Christianity that ignores the fallen nature of man. That's why it doesn't work, it crashes against the reality of original sin. Most people don't want to work hard in a socialist society because they have no incentive to do so.

I also find absurd Marx's idea that once the "dictatorship of the proletariat" was fully established, the State would dissolve. Why would those with  power willingly dismantle it? Again Marx ignores the Fallen Human Nature. Theoretically, communism is a society without a State, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is a transitional state between capitalism and communism, but that never happened in any socialist country and obviously it was never going to happen, from what I have said.

The anarchists understood this and tried to create a communist society without the "dictatorship of the proletariat" phase. But even the Durruti Column was a Caudillismo based of his Caudillo, Buenaventura Durruti, and didn't survive his death.

You cannot build a society ignoring original sin and its effect on humanity, these utopian attempts always end up failing.

About your question, yes, I believe that a heretical interpretation of Christian doctrine can lead to something similar to communism, but that is it, a heresy.

[Josephine87]

An interesting exercise when confronted with the idiotic prhase "Judeo-Christian".  We know that "Judeo" is not referring to culture, or ethnicity, as it is paired with the term "Christian".  But the jewish religion died out.  The jews made the covenant void by sacrificing children to demons.

I thought the covenant was voided because they killed the other party to it? I heard that in a sermon somewhere.

Similarly a woman would void the covenant of marriage by killing her husband (since one party is now dead, the marriage is void).

Edit: sorry, didnt mean that the marriage was invalid but that it was ended by one party dying

[james03]

Interesting point.  The biblical quotes that the jews voided the Old Covenant (past/present tense) are in the Old Testament.

Obviously God kept things going, with jews still getting in to the Limbo of the Fathers until after they killed their Messiah, which gets to the point of the sermon you heard.  And even then God extended things another 40 years.  We see Paul, after he was Paul, going to the Temple. 

After the Temple was destroyed, the Old Covenant was dead.

How the soteriology of this plays out, I have no comment, except to say I accept whatever the Church teaches.  Bottom line, the Old Covenant is dead.

[TrendyWeb1]

Whether directly relevant or not to your question, the Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodian forms of communism  were of course, implemented in a culture of Taoism, Theravada and Mahayana Buddhism. Did these philosophies provide soil and nutriments for Marxism in those countries? 

These were heavily influenced by manichaeanism

[Aulef]

Marxism is one for of the satanic types of materialism. It was created to replace religions.

[Prayerful]

Marxism is a poisonous brew of revolutionary socialist and dilettante socialist thought mixed in with Jewish and Christian apocalyptic thought. It seems materialistic but is really a sort of degraded religion. It is derivative of Christianity and Judaism to a degree, but a parody of both.

[EastWest7]

Whether directly relevant or not to your question, the Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodian forms of communism  were of course, implemented in a culture of Taoism, Theravada and Mahayana Buddhism. Did these philosophies provide soil and nutriments for Marxism in those countries? 

These were heavily influenced by manichaeanism

I disagree, believe it to be the other way around. Mani was a universalist "prophet" from Persia/Iran. He travelled to India about 240-242 AD (where he studied both Hindusim and Buddhism) and died 274-277 AD.
Records have Guatama Buddha being born as early as 624 BC and as late as 448 BC. The earliest school of Buddhism, Hinayana aka Theravada (way of the Elders), is generally understood to have predated the Mahayana (Larger Vehicle) school. The sangha/community that called Buddhism's Second Council (in an attempt to heal the breach between the two aforementioned schools) has been dated at about 386 BC. "Manichaeism" of course was one of the early gnostic Christian heresies.   

[Julio]

Long before Jesus incarnated as a man, there had been communist practices like in Sparta where the ideology as it was practiced in nations like the former Soviet Russia and in China today was manifested in way of life of its people. The Spartans did  not have the freedom to raise their own children. The weak were killed. Men had no choice but to serve in military. They lived like ants where people were forced to work for the good of the society and they were forbidden to exercise the freedom of thought.

These similarities of the life in ancient Sparta and in the modern Marxists countries are so evident. Modern thinkers like Marx and Engels studied these ancient Greek philosophies which are part of the "classic Western Civilization." Social life among these godless people are forced upon them whereas the communal life in Catholicism is voluntary and the Acts of the Apostles reflects this. In Christianity the freewill is a choice to serve God or not. In communism freewill is not to believe in God.

[TrendyWeb1]

I disagree, believe it to be the other way around. Mani was a universalist "prophet" from Persia/Iran. He travelled to India about 240-242 AD (where he studied both Hindusim and Buddhism) and died 274-277 AD.
Records have Guatama Buddha being born as early as 624 BC and as late as 448 BC. The earliest school of Buddhism, Hinayana aka Theravada (way of the Elders), is generally understood to have predated the Mahayana (Larger Vehicle) school. The sangha/community that called Buddhism's Second Council (in an attempt to heal the breach between the two aforementioned schools) has been dated at about 386 BC. "Manichaeism" of course was one of the early gnostic Christian heresies.   

Yes manichaeanism was influenced by buddhism and hinduism, but taoism was influenced by manichaeanism through groups like the white lotus sect. As far as buddhism is concerned the idea of matreiya as a messianic figure seems to come from manichaeanism from what I've looked at, or at least that is my educated guess. If you have any historical studies which would shed further light on this I would like to see them. (not being rude, I'm genuinely interested in history)

[Aethel]

I disagree, believe it to be the other way around. Mani was a universalist "prophet" from Persia/Iran. He travelled to India about 240-242 AD (where he studied both Hindusim and Buddhism) and died 274-277 AD.
Records have Guatama Buddha being born as early as 624 BC and as late as 448 BC. The earliest school of Buddhism, Hinayana aka Theravada (way of the Elders), is generally understood to have predated the Mahayana (Larger Vehicle) school. The sangha/community that called Buddhism's Second Council (in an attempt to heal the breach between the two aforementioned schools) has been dated at about 386 BC. "Manichaeism" of course was one of the early gnostic Christian heresies.   

Yes manichaeanism was influenced by buddhism and hinduism, but taoism was influenced by manichaeanism through groups like the white lotus sect. As far as buddhism is concerned the idea of matreiya as a messianic figure seems to come from manichaeanism from what I've looked at, or at least that is my educated guess. If you have any historical studies which would shed further light on this I would like to see them. (not being rude, I'm genuinely interested in history)

...Doesn't Manichaeism have Jesus, the Buddha, and Zarathustra as Prophets? Wouldn't that mean Manicheanism was influenced by Buddhism?

Also, Maitreya is found in the Pali Canon, which are the oldest texts we have from Buddhism (although those from the Mahayana traditions will claim that the Sanskrit and Chinese canons are older by virtue of preserved teaching / oral tradition)

[Aethel]

Also, I seriously wonder if the Early Christians, perhaps through the merchant trails (as Buddhism spread under Alexander the Great's Empires), had contact with Buddhist thought at some minimal level.

One trope that often happens in Buddhism is that Mara (the tempter figure of Buddhism) will try to tempt the Buddha or his disciples, who will rebuke him saying "I know you Mara" which will end his scheme / temptation. Not dissimilar to Christ saying "Get behind thee, Satan", where Christ identifies Satan as the tempter which ends the temptation.

Also, Christ's three temptations parallel the three Buddhist forms tanha / longing - sensuality (turn these stones into bread), becoming (I will give you these kingdoms if you bow down and worship me), and non-becoming (throw yourself off of this cliff, for angels will be at your side).

[james03]

Also, I seriously wonder if the Early Christians, perhaps through the merchant trails (as Buddhism spread under Alexander the Great's Empires), had contact with Buddhist thought at some minimal level.

One trope that often happens in Buddhism is that Mara (the tempter figure of Buddhism) will try to tempt the Buddha or his disciples, who will rebuke him saying "I know you Mara" which will end his scheme / temptation. Not dissimilar to Christ saying "Get behind thee, Satan", where Christ identifies Satan as the tempter which ends the temptation.

Also, Christ's three temptations parallel the three Buddhist forms tanha / longing - sensuality (turn these stones into bread), becoming (I will give you these kingdoms if you bow down and worship me), and non-becoming (throw yourself off of this cliff, for angels will be at your side).

You have insulted St. Thomas, Martyr, and the other Indian martyrs who brought the Catholic Faith to the pagans.

Again your inability to make distinctions is not sophistication.  The Hindus breath air, Catholics breath air, therefore Catholicism came from the Hindus.

[Aulef]

Marxism is a poisonous brew of revolutionary socialist and dilettante socialist thought mixed in with Jewish and Christian apocalyptic thought. It seems materialistic but is really a sort of degraded religion. It is derivative of Christianity and Judaism to a degree, but a parody of both.

Let's make things clear, shall we?

Christianity (aka Catholicism) and marxism have completely different principles. The same applies to Catholicism and judaism (talmudism in fact). Thus, they are different.

But you may be right when it comes to deriving marxism from talmudism. Communism/socialism was begotten among these people. Some of them even confessed both are closely linked.

[Joseph_3]

What is Judeo-Christian?

Moses was a Christian. David was a Christian. The prophets and people who awaited the coming of our Lord were Christian. Judaism is a post birth reaction to the fleshly manifestation of God and is directly contrary to both the Old Testament and New.

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

 It comes from Western culture, but it doesn't believe in god.