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Heinrich

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
Quote from: diaduit on November 18, 2020, 01:45:40 AM
I live in a small town in Ireland, my husband once had to price a particular product for two Gays and their new surrogate twins arrival from New York.. depravity is everywhere.

I know that it is everywhere. My point is that in Wyoming you can freely tell people that you won't serve them for religious reasons and not be socially or legally sanctioned. Do that in San Francisco? You will get tarred, feathered, and starve.

You are clueless.
Schaff Recht mir Gott und führe meine Sache gegen ein unheiliges Volk . . .   .                          
Lex Orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
"Die Welt sucht nach Ehre, Ansehen, Reichtum, Vergnügen; die Heiligen aber suchen Demütigung, Verachtung, Armut, Abtötung und Buße." --Ausschnitt von der Geschichte des Lebens St. Bennos.

GiftOfGod

Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
Quote from: diaduit on November 18, 2020, 01:45:40 AM
I live in a small town in Ireland, my husband once had to price a particular product for two Gays and their new surrogate twins arrival from New York.. depravity is everywhere.

I know that it is everywhere. My point is that in Wyoming you can freely tell people that you won't serve them for religious reasons and not be socially or legally sanctioned. Do that in San Francisco? You will get tarred, feathered, and starve.

You are clueless.

Which part are you referring to: that you can get away with that in places like Wyoming or that you can't get away with that in places like San Francisco?
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Heinrich

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
Quote from: diaduit on November 18, 2020, 01:45:40 AM
I live in a small town in Ireland, my husband once had to price a particular product for two Gays and their new surrogate twins arrival from New York.. depravity is everywhere.

I know that it is everywhere. My point is that in Wyoming you can freely tell people that you won't serve them for religious reasons and not be socially or legally sanctioned. Do that in San Francisco? You will get tarred, feathered, and starve.

You are clueless.

Which part are you referring to: that you can get away with that in places like Wyoming or that you can't get away with that in places like San Francisco?

All of it. 
Schaff Recht mir Gott und führe meine Sache gegen ein unheiliges Volk . . .   .                          
Lex Orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
"Die Welt sucht nach Ehre, Ansehen, Reichtum, Vergnügen; die Heiligen aber suchen Demütigung, Verachtung, Armut, Abtötung und Buße." --Ausschnitt von der Geschichte des Lebens St. Bennos.

GiftOfGod

Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
Quote from: diaduit on November 18, 2020, 01:45:40 AM
I live in a small town in Ireland, my husband once had to price a particular product for two Gays and their new surrogate twins arrival from New York.. depravity is everywhere.

I know that it is everywhere. My point is that in Wyoming you can freely tell people that you won't serve them for religious reasons and not be socially or legally sanctioned. Do that in San Francisco? You will get tarred, feathered, and starve.

You are clueless.

Which part are you referring to: that you can get away with that in places like Wyoming or that you can't get away with that in places like San Francisco?

All of it.

How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


coffeeandcigarette

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
Quote from: diaduit on November 18, 2020, 01:45:40 AM
I live in a small town in Ireland, my husband once had to price a particular product for two Gays and their new surrogate twins arrival from New York.. depravity is everywhere.

I know that it is everywhere. My point is that in Wyoming you can freely tell people that you won't serve them for religious reasons and not be socially or legally sanctioned. Do that in San Francisco? You will get tarred, feathered, and starve.

You are clueless.

Which part are you referring to: that you can get away with that in places like Wyoming or that you can't get away with that in places like San Francisco?

All of it.

How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

It's cute that you think judges actually base their decisions on the law these days...that is adorable

GiftOfGod

Quote from: coffeeandcigarette on November 18, 2020, 05:10:08 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

It's cute that you think judges actually base their decisions on the law these days...that is adorable

Drop the patronizing attitude and leave this thread if you're not going to contribute to the discussion.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Heinrich

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
Quote from: diaduit on November 18, 2020, 01:45:40 AM
I live in a small town in Ireland, my husband once had to price a particular product for two Gays and their new surrogate twins arrival from New York.. depravity is everywhere.

I know that it is everywhere. My point is that in Wyoming you can freely tell people that you won't serve them for religious reasons and not be socially or legally sanctioned. Do that in San Francisco? You will get tarred, feathered, and starve.

You are clueless.

Which part are you referring to: that you can get away with that in places like Wyoming or that you can't get away with that in places like San Francisco?

All of it.

How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

There are only two traditional 'colleges' in Wyoming, genius. One is Wyoming Catholic College and the other is the major state university.
Schaff Recht mir Gott und führe meine Sache gegen ein unheiliges Volk . . .   .                          
Lex Orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
"Die Welt sucht nach Ehre, Ansehen, Reichtum, Vergnügen; die Heiligen aber suchen Demütigung, Verachtung, Armut, Abtötung und Buße." --Ausschnitt von der Geschichte des Lebens St. Bennos.

GiftOfGod

Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

There are only two traditional 'colleges' in Wyoming, genius. One is Wyoming Catholic College and the other is the major state university.

Wrong, you idiot. There are 11 accredited colleges in Wyoming.
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


coffeeandcigarette

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: coffeeandcigarette on November 18, 2020, 05:10:08 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

It's cute that you think judges actually base their decisions on the law these days...that is adorable

Drop the patronizing attitude and leave this thread if you're not going to contribute to the discussion.

I am contributing. I am pointing out, that whether or not you know it, judges don't give a hoot about the law. They are very very liberal in many instances, and will rule however they like, no matter how conservative the state is. A few years ago a Texas judge sent a women to prison for spanking her kid. She said "your honor, it is legal to spank in Teas." He said, "not in my courtroom." It doesn't matter where H is, if the principle/judge/students' parents/etc are liberal, he could get in a lot of trouble.

Heinrich

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

There are only two traditional 'colleges' in Wyoming, genius. One is Wyoming Catholic College and the other is the major state university.

Wrong, you idiot. There are 11 accredited colleges in Wyoming.

Name them, dingleberry.
Schaff Recht mir Gott und führe meine Sache gegen ein unheiliges Volk . . .   .                          
Lex Orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
"Die Welt sucht nach Ehre, Ansehen, Reichtum, Vergnügen; die Heiligen aber suchen Demütigung, Verachtung, Armut, Abtötung und Buße." --Ausschnitt von der Geschichte des Lebens St. Bennos.

christulsa

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Quote from: coffeeandcigarette on November 18, 2020, 07:56:55 PM
They are very very liberal in many instances, and will rule however they like, no matter how conservative the state is.

As will a school board and principal, even in the most conservative of states/towns.  The first school I taught at (before I taught in a Catholic school which was objectively worse) was in a conservative, Okie town.  I found out after starting there why the school was nicknamed by the townspeople "The Zoo."  The kids ran wild, frequently got in fights in the hall, and didn't even follow the school's official dress code.  The principal (who described himself as a conservative Baptist to me in the interview, while making fun of Catholics) encouraged them to wear mohawks and purple hair, wear pajamas to school, and even encouraged the LGBTQ kids to form their own club.  One new teacher's life was threatened by a student, but the principal took the student's side.  Whenever a teacher would send a kid to the principal, he would sit them down, offer them a Coke, and tell them it was the teacher's fault.  And the school board backed him up, even though I heard in years past most of the teachers went to the Superintendent to complain.  I tried a few times to diplomatically talk to the guy about behavior problems, me being new to classroom discipline, and he kept responding with anti-Catholic jokes that I "shouldn't expect a public school to be run like a Catholic school" (which I didn't).

The Catholic high school was worse.  Priests and nuns teaching outright abortion, communism, disdain for Tradition.  I had to teach Oklahoma history during "mini-mester" as one of my classes, and take my class with the head of the history department to visit the original Oklahoma capitol building which is now a Masonic temple as a field trip.  Zero to do with history.  Kids told Masonry is now on good terms with Catholicism (I later read for them the encyclical against Freemasonry in between biology lessons).  Wrote the bishop about my observations, he wrote back asking for permission to deal with it recognizing it would jeopardize my job.  I didn't write the bishop back, because I already asked him to do something, and it was his job to do it.  He never did anything.

I only taught a few years.  But it's not a bad way to make a living, and it is even more noble to teach considering how bad it keeps getting.  You can have a side business to do from say 3-5 pm after school and summers.  I actually calculated I have more earning potential to go back into teaching, and do home health physical therapy on the side, than full-time therapy (my field has a major hiring freeze/layoffs right now).   I would focus on small town schools, and really be up front with the principal about my views, and only take the job if they convince me the school/district is at least somewhat run conservatively. 

GiftOfGod

Wow, christulsa, that is depressing.

Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

There are only two traditional 'colleges' in Wyoming, genius. One is Wyoming Catholic College and the other is the major state university.

Wrong, you idiot. There are 11 accredited colleges in Wyoming.

Name them, dingleberry.

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=list+of+colleges+in+wyoming
Quote from: Maximilian on December 30, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on December 30, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Innocent Smith on December 30, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
If attending Mass, the ordinary form as celebrated everyday around the world be sinful, then the Church no longer exists. Period.
Rather, if the NOM were the lex credendi of the Church, then the Church would no longer exist. However, the true mass and the true sacraments still exist and will hold the candle of faith until Our Lord steps in to restore His Bride to her glory.
We could compare ourselves to the Catholics in England at the time of the Reformation. Was it sinful for them to attend Cranmer's service?
We have to remind ourselves that all the machinery of the "Church" continued in place. They had priests, bishops, churches, cathedrals. But all of them were using the new "Book of Common Prayer" instead of the Catholic Mass. Ordinary lay people could see with their own eyes an enormous entity that called itself the "Church," but did the true Church still exist in that situation? Meanwhile, in small hiding places in certain homes were a handful of true priests offering the true Mass at the risk of imprisonment, torture and death.


Heinrich

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
Wow, christulsa, that is depressing.

Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: Heinrich on November 18, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 18, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
How? Because I can show you state and local laws from San Francisco and well as news stories of people getting fired or made pariahs with no counterpart in Wyoming, save for college campuses.

There are only two traditional 'colleges' in Wyoming, genius. One is Wyoming Catholic College and the other is the major state university.

Wrong, you idiot. There are 11 accredited colleges in Wyoming.

Name them, dingleberry.

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=list+of+colleges+in+wyoming

Not so fast, Cream Puff. You made a claim that is wrong. The onus is on you to prove what you said is true. Name the 11 four year, traditional colleges and/or universities in Wyoming.
Schaff Recht mir Gott und führe meine Sache gegen ein unheiliges Volk . . .   .                          
Lex Orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
"Die Welt sucht nach Ehre, Ansehen, Reichtum, Vergnügen; die Heiligen aber suchen Demütigung, Verachtung, Armut, Abtötung und Buße." --Ausschnitt von der Geschichte des Lebens St. Bennos.

christulsa

Hey, why do you keep fighting, calling people names, and talking down to them since joining the forum, Heinrich?   I've watched you do this with dozens of people because you disagree with them. 

Heinrich

Quote from: christulsa on November 19, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Hey, why do you keep fighting, calling people names, and talking down to them since joining the forum, Heinrich?   I've watched you do this with dozens of people because you disagree with them.

Untrue.
Schaff Recht mir Gott und führe meine Sache gegen ein unheiliges Volk . . .   .                          
Lex Orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.
"Die Welt sucht nach Ehre, Ansehen, Reichtum, Vergnügen; die Heiligen aber suchen Demütigung, Verachtung, Armut, Abtötung und Buße." --Ausschnitt von der Geschichte des Lebens St. Bennos.