Pope Nicholas I approved pants on ladies!

[Karasu]

Excerpt from "The Responses of Pope St. Nicholas I to the Questions of the Bulgars" (Letter 99), Chapter LVIIII, A.D. 866:

"We consider what you asked about pants (femoralia) to be irrelevant; for we do not wish the exterior style of your clothing to be changed, but rather the behavior of the inner man within you, nor do we desire to know what you are wearing except Christ — for however many of you have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ [Gal. 3:27] — but rather how you are progressing in faith and good works. But since you ask concerning these matters in your simplicity, namely because you were afraid lest it be held against you as a sin, if you diverge in the slightest way from the custom of other Christians, and lest we seem to take anything away from your desire, we declare that in our books, pants (femoralia) are ordered to be made, not in order that women may use them, but that men may. But act now so that, just as you passed from the old to the new man, [cf. Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:9-10] you pass from your prior custom to ours in all things; but really do what you please. For whether you or your women wear or do not wear pants (femoralia) neither impedes your salvation nor leads to any increase of your virtue.

"Of course, because we have said that pants are ordered to be made, it should be noted that we put on pants spiritually, when we restrain the lust of the flesh through abstinence; for those places are constrained by pants in which the seats of luxury are known to be. This is why the first humans, when they felt illicit motions in their members after sin, ran into the leaves of a fig tree and wove loin cloths for themselves.[cf. Gen. 3:7] But these are spiritual pants, which you still could not bear, and, if I may speak with the Apostle, you are not yet able; for you are still carnal.[I Cor. 3:2] And thus we have said a few things on this matter, although, with God's gift, we could say many more."




This is extremely interesting considering the opinions of some trads!

[Kaesekopf]

This is extremely interesting considering the opinions of some trads!

Implying that some trads care what the Popes say.

[Daniel]

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[Sockpuppet]

There was like a 20 page discussion on the original Latin of this text on another forum.

[Chestertonian]

PANTS THREAD

[Karasu]

There was like a 20 page discussion on the original Latin of this text on another forum.

Link? sounds interesting.

[martin88nyc]

I just couldn't resist
[yt]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdNy_vz-gM[/yt]

[OCLittleFlower]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASGFRJQ8QGo[/yt]

[Jayne]

Karasu, since you are a fairly new member here, you might not realize this topic tends to be controversial and divisive when it arises. It is a recurring topic and, as you can see, there is a forum joke about the tendency of the subject to keep arising.

While this is a practical question for women deciding what we ought to wear, for you, it is a merely matter of speculation and controversy. In general, Christians should avoid such subjects. This is especially true of those who are new to the faith. Our discussion should focus on topics that build us up and strengthen us.

[clau clau]

Perhaps Pope Nicholas was talking Pants !


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pants#Etymology_1


3.(Britain, slang) Rubbish; something worthless. You're talking pants!The film was a load (or pile) of pants.

[Jayne]

This is extremely interesting considering the opinions of some trads!

Implying that some trads care what the Popes say.

This is unfair. What a pope says about a specific historical situation is not a timeless teaching for the Church. People differ in how to understand the underlying principles of this passage and how it would apply, if at all, in our time. Some see the situation as so different from our own that the passage is inapplicable.  That is very different from not caring about what Popes say.

This was needlessly inflammatory and I am reporting you for trolling. Consider yorself told.

[Greg]

Thank goodness he wasn't Pope Knickerless.

[Jayne]

Well he made that pun in the nick of time.

[mikemac]

Perhaps Pope Nicholas was talking Pants !


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pants#Etymology_1

Yeah maybe he was referring to wearing them under a kilt. 

[Chestertonian]

This is extremely interesting considering the opinions of some trads!

Implying that some trads care what the Popes say.

This is unfair. What a pope says about a specific historical situation is not a timeless teaching for the Church. People differ in how to understand the underlying principles of this passage and how it would apply, if at all, in our time. Some see the situation as so different from our own that the passage is inapplicable.  That is very different from not caring about what Popes say.

This was needlessly inflammatory and I am reporting you for trolling. Consider yorself told.

he must have been doing a press conference on an airplane