Quote from: james03 on Today at 10:36:38 AMQuote"Taking conciliar custom into consideration and also the pastoral purpose of the present Council, the sacred Council defines as binding on the Church only those things in matters of faith and morals which it shall openly declare to be binding. The rest of the things which the sacred Council sets forth, inasmuch as they are the teaching of the Church's supreme magisterium, ought to be accepted and embraced by each and every one of Christ's faithful according to the mind of the sacred Council. The mind of the Council becomes known either from the matter treated or from its manner of speaking, in accordance with the norms of theological interpretation."
Quote from: KreKre on Today at 12:20:29 PMBoth the neoconservatives and (some) sedevacantists hold this false idea that the authority of the pope is absolute. The former blindly obey and use chainsaws to destroy marble altars and replace them with Lutheran tables, the latter say: "since it's obviously wrong, it can't be by the true pope." The moderate position is the one by the SSPX, who simply and respectfully disobey everything that contradicts or harms the faith.
Quote from: KreKre on Today at 12:20:29 PMPopes and bishops are humans like all of us, they make errors all the time. They are as susceptible to sin as any other man. The infallibility of the pope and the Church applies only to dogma, because this is not something that pope has made up, but something that God reveals to mankind. Consequently, the authority of the pope is not absolute. For example, a pope might try to command me to worship pagan gods (that Mama-Pikachu idol, or whatever it is called), but he simply does not have that authority.
Quote from: james03 on Today at 10:36:38 AMYou are shifting goal posts. The question on the table was how was it that the bishops went along with it. Various posters have given reasons for that. It is multi-faceted. The question wasn't: "Is Vatican II harmless?". Clearly it is not. It's a horror show that needs to be put on the Index.
Quote from: KreKre on Today at 12:20:29 PMCan you tell me one dogma of Vatican II? No, because it was a pastoral council. So how could it possibly be binding?
Quote from: james03 on Today at 12:35:09 PMI meant the picture.Quote from: Deirdre on Today at 12:28:07 PMThat's extremely disturbing.
We just sent them another $60 Billion.
Quote from: james03 on January 06, 2024, 10:38:28 AMCall an imperfect Council, confirm that Bergoglio is a manifest heretic, and end this scandal.
Quote from: Deirdre on Today at 12:28:07 PMThat's extremely disturbing.