Humility: Good or Bad?

[Probius]

The fraudulent behavior of attending mass on a Sunday?  This is why people are leaving The Church in droves.  A man shows up on Sunday, and everyone treats him very well.  Everyone treats him like a god as long as he is the new guy.  Soon, though, he becomes a regular and more is expected of him.  He must believe the right things or people will talk about him behind his back and call him a 'heretic'.  It's not good enough that he be a Christian, he must be a Catholic.  It's not good enough that he be a Catholic, he must be a traditionalist.  It's not good enough that he be a traditionalist, he must be in the SSPX.  It's not good enough to be in the SSPX, he must be in the 'resistance'.  No one can agree, so The Church splinters into many churches.  Splinters splinter into other splinters, eventually it all begins to look like a tree, where each branch branches into more branches.  Good people get pushed out of The Church because they don't believe just right, and The Church will not tolerate dissenters.

[voxxpopulisuxx]

The fraudulent behavior of attending mass on a Sunday?  This is why people are leaving The Church in droves.  A man shows up on Sunday, and everyone treats him very well.  Everyone treats him like a god as long as he is the new guy.  Soon, though, he becomes a regular and more is expected of him.  He must believe the right things or people will talk about him behind his back and call him a 'heretic'.  It's not good enough that he be a Christian, he must be a Catholic.  It's not good enough that he be a Catholic, he must be a traditionalist.  It's not good enough that he be a traditionalist, he must be in the SSPX.  It's not good enough to be in the SSPX, he must be in the 'resistance'.  No one can agree, so The Church splinters into many churches.  Splinters splinter into other splinters, eventually it all begins to look like a tree, where each branch branches into more branches.  Good people get pushed out of The Church because they don't believe just right, and The Church will not tolerate dissenters.

your the one who called your grandmother a fraud...not me.

[Probius]

I did no such thing.


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[voxxpopulisuxx]

I did no such thing.


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let me refresh your memory:

you wrote QUOTE:
I don't think she believes in God either.  She has said she doesn't care what the pope says, she rejects all Catholic dogmas, she is super Novus Ordo, and she almost never speaks about religion, and when she does it is to criticize The Church.  She has told me that she wants married priests and women priests.  She expects the mass to last exactly one hour, and complains if it goes over by a few minutes.  She once said it was 'ridiculous' when the mass went 8 minutes over.  I'm pretty sure she is a deist at most, and maybe even an atheist.
That is the definition of a fraud.

[Probius]

I never used the word fraud.  She goes to mass and she probably doesn't believe in God, who cares?


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[voxxpopulisuxx]

I never used the word fraud.  She goes to mass and she probably doesn't believe in God, who cares?


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what would you call a politician who gets elected and goes to washington but doesnt belive in the constitution (I know all of them  ) but the point is made.

[Probius]

The point is not even close to being made.  The politician will make laws that harm millions of Americans, my grandmother harms no one.  What difference does it make if an atheist wants to engage in a religious ritual?  The atheist hurts no one.

[voxxpopulisuxx]

The point is not even close to being made.  The politician will make laws that harm millions of Americans, my grandmother harms no one.  What difference does it make if an atheist wants to engage in a religious ritual?  The atheist hurts no one.

except herself and apparently you.

[Probius]

Would she not harm herself if she just stayed at home?

[voxxpopulisuxx]

Would she not harm herself if she just stayed at home?

It would be less damaging.

[Probius]

Would she not harm herself if she just stayed at home?

It would be less damaging.

How?  What damage is being done?


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[voxxpopulisuxx]

Would she not harm herself if she just stayed at home?

It would be less damaging.

How?  What damage is being done?


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she is not adding the sins of sacrilege and blasphemy and showing a poor example to her grandson.....to her already mortally wounded soul. (assuming what you told us about her is true.)

[Probius]

What I told you is true, she is basically a very liberal Protestant who continues to attend mass.  She even believes that there should be no pope, and that there is no difference between the priesthood of the people and the sacramental priesthood.  The one thing she does believe about Catholicism is that she cannot leave The Church.

So, she likes to go to mass, so what?  Is there really any difference between having these beliefs at home and at church?  How does she add to the sin of sacrilege and blasphemy?

[zork]

What I told you is true, she is basically a very liberal Protestant who continues to attend mass.  She even believes that there should be no pope, and that there is no difference between the priesthood of the people and the sacramental priesthood.  The one thing she does believe about Catholicism is that she cannot leave The Church.

So, she likes to go to mass, so what?  Is there really any difference between having these beliefs at home and at church?  How does she add to the sin of sacrilege and blasphemy?

If she isn't there to worship her Creator (and actually doesn't believe in Him at all), then she has no business being there. That is how she blasphemes God.

[Probius]

Well, she might believe in God, I don't know.  I still attend, however.  How am I blaspheming God by attending mass?  I'm not speaking I'll of him.  Isn't that what blasphemy is?