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AI and evolution
« on: May 30, 2017, 11:55:37 AM »
Interesting result from AI.  When scientists tried to program perception, they thought that was the easy part.  Turned out it was extremely difficult.  The problem was called the framing problem.  It seems intelligence has to give intelligence, and it can't evolve.  I'm just getting in to this, perhaps others have comments on it.
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2017, 01:03:06 PM »
Seems a similar quandary to simple biological forms giving rise to more complex ones
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 01:37:50 PM »
Seems a similar quandary to simple biological forms giving rise to more complex ones
How about life itself coming from lifeless matter?
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2017, 04:49:28 PM »
Hawking thinks it's a threat to our future.
 

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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 09:10:56 AM »
I am pretty sure that the first thing a hard logical robot would do would be to kill all Muslims with a massive neutron bomb strike.

Then all democrats and other welfare spongers.

The conservatives can get jobs as slaves polishing its microchips.

Hopefully it will kill Stephen Hawking too.  He's annoying enough to humans. But to a super-intelligent robot he has to sound like a retarded angry mother-in-law with that horrible computer voice of his.
 
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Re: AI and evolution
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 04:01:17 PM »
I had the chance to use the ACAT system (Stephen Hawking's assistive technology) a few times and it was pretty amazing.  Much less fatiguing than using your finger.  After partnering with Hawking for many years Intel recently made it open source which will likely have a trickle effect on the whole assistive technology market.  Unfortunately, Hawking lost his voice before speech synthesis was "a thing."  I have been looking into banking my voice but the recording process is a little intense and it's very expensive.  But when you get a diagnosis where you know you're going to lose your voice, you do have that option now and the technology is getting better and better.  I have recorded some commonly said phrases that we imported into my AAC app so it sounds like me, though.it's a start.  This is called "message banking" and you can just press a button and it will play the recording of your voice

There is also what's called "Voice donation" which is when you donate your voice and allow someone else to use it in their augmentative communication program.  children can record different sentences and donate it to help a child who has never spoken a word, etc

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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 05:03:16 PM »
I had the chance to use the ACAT system (Stephen Hawking's assistive technology) a few times and it was pretty amazing.  Much less fatiguing than using your finger.  After partnering with Hawking for many years Intel recently made it open source which will likely have a trickle effect on the whole assistive technology market.  Unfortunately, Hawking lost his voice before speech synthesis was "a thing."  I have been looking into banking my voice but the recording process is a little intense and it's very expensive.  But when you get a diagnosis where you know you're going to lose your voice, you do have that option now and the technology is getting better and better.  I have recorded some commonly said phrases that we imported into my AAC app so it sounds like me, though.it's a start.  This is called "message banking" and you can just press a button and it will play the recording of your voice

There is also what's called "Voice donation" which is when you donate your voice and allow someone else to use it in their augmentative communication program.  children can record different sentences and donate it to help a child who has never spoken a word, etc


I think it is wonderful that such technology is being developed to help you and others with similar problems with speaking. It sounds much better than Steven Hawking's original artificial voice. 
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2017, 04:25:52 PM »
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How about life itself coming from lifeless matter?

We can't even do that with technology.

But there's a more basic question: What is life?  If I view a vitamin in a cell, it is "alive".  If I extract it and put it on a plate, it is "not alive".  If I put it back in a cell, it again is "alive".  So I've derived this principal:  Life is that which comes from Life.
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2017, 04:28:53 PM »
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Seems a similar quandary to simple biological forms giving rise to more complex ones
An interesting question, and the one that made Berlinski abandon evolution.  It's a mathematical question and it can't be solved.  I hope to one day study this, but it is low priority right now.  I did take a few courses at the Kahn academy.  Search for "Shannon Entropy" at Kahn if you want to learn about it.
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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2017, 01:12:23 PM »
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How about life itself coming from lifeless matter?

We can't even do that with technology.

But there's a more basic question: What is life?  If I view a vitamin in a cell, it is "alive".  If I extract it and put it on a plate, it is "not alive".  If I put it back in a cell, it again is "alive".  So I've derived this principal:  Life is that which comes from Life.
Wellll, I mean, I don't think we could call a vitamin alive even if it is inside a cell. The cell as a whole is alive, but a single vitamin inside of it is not--that vitamin does not itself reproduce, metabolize, adapt, die, etc.


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Re: AI and evolution
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2017, 05:25:20 PM »
So point to me in a cell the part that is "life".  That's the problem.  Life is immaterial, but it exists.  And yes, the vitamin is part of "life" when it is in a cell.  How about NADH or Acetyl-Co-A?  Are they alive?  How about LactoDeHydrogenase?  Is it alive?
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