Church Militant v. Fr. McLucas & SSPX: Setting the Record Straight

[Greg]

It was with a woman in her early 20s whom he had counselled in relation to an eating disorder since she was 14.  He was what 50 (?) at the time of the adult sexual activity and he settled out of court after the SoL plea got dismissed.  That is pretty, predatory, however you look at it.

How would you feel about a 50+ year old single man (not a priest and not divorced) coming onto your 20 year old daughter in the tea room at Church and asking her on a date?

Now let's assume he used to be her teacher at high school when she was 14 and he was 45.

The "at least it was a woman" defence can really only be applied if it was a woman in the normative age range that consensual sexual relationships take place.  Say the priest is 35 and the woman is 28.  Or the priest 50 and the woman 45.

If a priest in his 50s is still chasing tail then what they heck was he doing in his 20s and 30s?

McLucas is hardly some debonair silver fox that the younger ladies with daddy issues are throwing themselves at.

However you cut it the SSPX should not have touched this guy with a 12 foot pole.

[Greg]

In sum, the SSPX was aware of his past, and then allowed him to take part in the Program for Priests.

Did they actually tell you they were aware, or are you assuming that they knew? I have heard that they were not aware.

I'm assuming they know how to use google.

So you don't know that they knew, you are just assuming. If that be the case, you can not state as a fact that they did know.

The SSPX is an organisation, which, as long as I have known (since 1978) has stressed prudence, custody of the eyes, careful consideration and contemplation of one's will, modesty in dress, control of the appetites, looking before you leap and avoiding occasions of sin.  Go on a pilgrimage and the women's tents are set 60 yards away from the men's.

Back in 1987 Clau Clau and I had half a dozen seminarians running around like headless chickens, because an overweight 60 year old woman turned up at a summer camp in New Hampshire with groceries wearing a sleeveless summer dress.  The boys were aged 8 to 15 years old.  I was 19, Clau Clau was 22.  The oldest seminarian Ken Novak was 27 about the same age as Fr. Rizzo who was in charge.

Nobody there could have got aroused by this woman even if we had eaten Viagra frosted Wheaties for breakfast.  The ONLY seminarian with the mental balance to see that this particular 19 year old was correct was Ken Novak.  Even Fr. Rizzo was clucking like a mother hen.

I said something pretty matter of fact, Clau Clau might remember what exactly, and Ken Novak laughed as he was thinking the same thing but he was glad the bald British guy said it.

Yet 20 years after the Boston Globe exposed clerical sexual abuse, and with a least half a dozen huge errors made themselves in ordaining perverts, the SSPX are not Googling the living hell out of any cleric, postulant, seminarian, camp counsellor, and window cleaner who crosses their threshold?

I would be.  I'd want to know everything about you.  Trust but verify.

If they are not Googling novus ordo priests they associate with they are criminally incompetent.

[clau clau]

In sum, the SSPX was aware of his past, and then allowed him to take part in the Program for Priests.

Did they actually tell you they were aware, or are you assuming that they knew? I have heard that they were not aware.

I'm assuming they know how to use google.

So you don't know that they knew, you are just assuming. If that be the case, you can not state as a fact that they did know.

The SSPX is an organisation, which, as long as I have known (since 1978) has stressed prudence, custody of the eyes, careful consideration and contemplation of one's will, modesty in dress, control of the appetites, looking before you leap and avoiding occasions of sin.  Go on a pilgrimage and the women's tents are set 60 yards away from the men's.

Back in 1987 Clau Clau and I had half a dozen seminarians running around like headless chickens, because an overweight 60 year old woman turned up at a summer camp in New Hampshire with groceries wearing a sleeveless summer dress.  The boys were aged 8 to 15 years old.  I was 19, Clau Clau was 22.  The oldest seminarian Ken Novak was 27 about the same age as Fr. Rizzo who was in charge.

Nobody there could have got aroused by this woman even if we had eaten Viagra frosted Wheaties for breakfast.  The ONLY seminarian with the mental balance to see that this particular 19 year old was correct was Ken Novak.  Even Fr. Rizzo was clucking like a mother hen.

I said something pretty matter of fact, Clau Clau might remember what exactly, and Ken Novak laughed as he was thinking the same thing but he was glad the bald British guy said it.

Yet 20 years after the Boston Globe exposed clerical sexual abuse, and with a least half a dozen huge errors made themselves in ordaining perverts, the SSPX are not Googling the living hell out of any cleric, postulant, seminarian, camp counsellor, and window cleaner who crosses their threshold?

I would be.  I'd want to know everything about you.  Trust but verify.

If they are not Googling novus ordo priests they associate with they are criminally incompetent.

I've got a theory about this.  I had some feedback from Mrs Clau Clau that at the seminary there were conservative and liberal factions.  I remember her saying that her brothers were considered in the liberal faction because they were more in the Fr. Novak, Father Rizzo school of thinking and the conservatives were more Hugues de Payns.

What it essentially amounted to was that if you came from a stable background you were a liberal.  If you made prudent judgements based on rational observations you were a liberal.  If you believed that having a conversation with your sister was not a sin against modesty you were a flaming liberal!  So if an aged, overweight, fat lady came into church wearing a leotard you did not consider this a sin against modesty but more against public decency.

My belief, is that many of the questionable characters areas are in this conservative - in the political sense described above - part of the SSPX.  I definitely think Carlos Urritogoity was in this camp. In fact, he used it in his defence to Father Williamson, and was believed!

Greg, Do you remember when you got all that grief for wearing shorts in Ridgefield seminary?  I think it might have been related.  I don't think it was Father Rizzo who had the problem (wink wink).

[Sempronius]

Did Clau and Greg thought about applying for the seminary?

[Greg]

It was Fr. Richard Williamson.  Those yellow athletics shorts I was wearing in the garden on that brutally hot July day.  Williamson told me to get some longs on.  Mind you, he didn't make the fuss, someone else did, he just acted as the enforcer.

Thought it was a bit weird at the time because there were only men there.

It was a shitting hot day that day and humid as hell.  The only place I have been that was hotter than that is Penang, Malaysia.

[Greg]

Did Clau and Greg thought about applying for the seminary?

No we were just there while Fr. Rizzo collected a school bus.

Clau Clau and I like ladies too much.  And I am not good at taking orders from anyone.

[Maximilian]

Written by a dweeb I knew 20 years ago. I wouldn't trust a word of "journalism" by this guy. He was a weirdo then and they typically become more "weirdo" as they age.

Interesting. Were you in Cincinnati 20 years ago? You may be right about the author:

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/author/james-baresel

Calling All the Young Fogies

I'm not saying Fr. McLucas was innocent, he obviously settled a case with a confidentiality agreement,

No, this is totally wrong. If you read the complaint, the main targets were the Archdiocese of New York and the FSSP. The allegations against Fr. McLucas are described only in very vague terms. There are no times, dates, place, specifics, at all. The purpose of the complaint is to set up the "deep pocket" defendants. Of the 10 pages, less than 1 page focuses on Fr. McLucas, and the rest focuses on connecting him to others with "deep pockets."

The Archdiocese and the FSSP had huge motivations to settle the case. So did the woman, since she might see millions of dollars, or she might get zero if the case is tossed. Fr. McLucas was merely a pawn in this process.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VH6RGZdhVrNcrpXgH44_iWVSHrhSstrE/view

As bad as Fr. McLucas's actions may have been it was with a grown woman. That's not defending the man at all,

We have zero available evidence to show that Fr. McLucas committed any "actions" with any woman, whether grown or not.

[clau clau]

Did Clau and Greg thought about applying for the seminary?

This reminds me of something funny.

Greg, Do you remember when we were on the Chartres pilgrimage and there was that very devout bloke who had long theological/liturgical conversations with Ivan. He then said to Ivan, "I think you have a religious vocation", to which Ivan remarked.

"Not bloody likely, I have six kids!"    :-)

[Greg]

There is other form on Fr. McLucas.

https://medium.com/@webmaster_24642/father-james-mclucas-and-christendom-college-f58f5e791a55

So while I would ordinarily give him the benefit of the doubt, re the settlement, this time I won't be.

[Greg]

Did Clau and Greg thought about applying for the seminary?

This reminds me of something funny.

Greg, Do you remember when we were on the Chartres pilgrimage and there was that very devout bloke who had long theological/liturgical conversations with Ivan. He then said to Ivan, "I think you have a religious vocation", to which Ivan remarked.

"Not bloody likely, I have six kids!"    :-)

I kinda sorta do but more through the second hand telling.  I remember pretending those underripe grains of wheat were zits (that was hilarious because people really thought it was zit pus landing on them) and those Irish teenagers getting drunk on the free wine.  And those Americans getting that HUGE stars and stripes lent to them by the US Embassy in Paris which dwarfed our Union Jack.

I also remember one great Chartres where it rained on the 3rd day and we got into the Cathedral for the final mass covered in mud and get pleased to have a dry patch of stone floor.  And the first time we did it in 1983 when we came back to Paris and those French scouts started singing.  That was a riot.

[Michael Wilson]

My Spanish friends told me about a Pilgrimage to Chartes where the Spanish group, which was habitually late in getting started; disorganized and slow; was made to wait by the organizers after the second day and allow the German group to pass in front of them. The leader of the Spanish group told his friends: "This is a mortal insult to our honor and country; and can only be avenged by us being restored to to our rightful place"; so the Spanish group waited for the right moment and started running; waving its (Franco) Spanish flag; and singing as it passed and got back in front of the German group during the march. They told me that the French scouts lined up and saluted them as the entered the rest stop at the end of the day. 

[Greg]

I would much prefer to use the German's toilet facilities though.

They keep a clean haus.

[clau clau]

My Spanish friends told me about a Pilgrimage to Chartes where the Spanish group, which was habitually late in getting started; disorganized and slow; was made to wait by the organizers after the second day and allow the German group to pass in front of them. The leader of the Spanish group told his friends: "This is a mortal insult to our honor and country; and can only be avenged by us being restored to to our rightful place"; so the Spanish group waited for the right moment and started running; waving its (Franco) Spanish flag; and singing as it passed and got back in front of the German group during the march. They told me that the French scouts lined up and saluted them as the entered the rest stop at the end of the day. 

The same thing happened with the English and the Irish.  It was all very good natured though.