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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #105 on: June 07, 2022, 05:31:45 PM »
I retract the that we are on the timeline where Rome falls June 13, 2029 and all subsequent actions that would happen as a result of that.

No idea how this is gonna look but this is the time for the dreamers and believers, to envision the Triumph and militantly go forward with prayer etc. aligned with the will of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Brilliant that this was done, yes Francis is politically progressive and left, and is promoting Cardinals who are politically progressive and left, but he hoodwinked everyone and consecrated Russia, yes a bunch of Bishops were involved most likely, some were not so it is no doubt a time of darkness and we haven't seen a fraction of what is to come, but it is most definitely a time for miracles, and we likewise have not seen a fraction of what is to come.
 
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2022, 07:37:13 PM »
The greatest possible miracle to happen as a result of the consecration IMHO is for Francis to resign on the Feast of the Assumption and for Pope Pius XIII to be elected. I give it 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 odds of actually happening. Only thing less likely is for me to be elected as Pope Boniface X :lol:
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #107 on: June 13, 2022, 05:14:03 AM »
Not letting them influence your view of things is a gamble too.

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does their best at cooperating with God's Will in any given situation

What is God's will in relation to attending the Latin Mass between 1969 and 2013?

Be loyal to the Pope and the Church and go along to the new mass?  Was that God's will?

Or listen to a prophecy that appears to indicate that Vatican II was a terrible error and the Vatican will be destroyed because of it and salvation will need to come from the East for us all?

If you took the first option in the last 50 years you very probably saw your children all lose their faith.  The contrarian view (supported by Fatima and/or La Salette) was actually your best bet at determining the right path.  Without the prophecy that the modernisation would come to a catastrophic end what would the motive be to travel 50 miles each way to mass each week for 40-50 years?

That is nonsense.

Private revelations can never supersede Catholic doctrine. The reason why Traditionalists attend Latin Mass and reject Vatican II is that there are strong doctrinal arguments suggesting that V2 contradicts earlier Magisterium and that TLM is better expressing sacrificial character of the Mass. Sure, Fatima fits info that, but it is secondary to doctrinal arguments. If there were no credible doctrinal arguments against V2 and New Mass, no amount of private revelations would justify rejecting those things - in fact, such private revelations would have to be considered false due to contradicting the Magisterium.
 

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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #108 on: June 18, 2022, 10:08:23 AM »
There is a bit of a problem, but it's not the consecration per se, it's the shepherd who is asking. Pope Francis blasphemed God and publicly sinned against the First Commandment at the Pachamama debacle in 2019. Since that episode, he further dishonored BVM by issuing a Vatican stamp in Pachamama's honor on or near a BVM feast day. All of this happened on the world's stage. This act shocked religious people everywhere and even some atheist observers. He has not publicly regretted this sin. At the very least, he could say he didn't intend to offend God but accidently sent a wrong message to the world in his outreach to the Amazon people. He may not have confessed this sin. It should come as no surprise that the efficacy of his consecration is less than we hoped. Because the magnitude of such a sin coming from a pope has made him fall from grace with God.

Ever since the blasphemy, chaos ensued. The pandemic erupted; churches closed for nearly a year. Jobs were lost. Politicians took away personal liberty with mandates. Pestilence and disasters followed. World economies crashed. Food insecurity became reality in the developed world. Crime, wars, and violent acts are skyrocketing. Politicians are fanning the flames of racial division and jailing the innocent, while marauders go unpunished. Kids are given pornography and false messages instead of true teaching, while their academic scores decline. Down is up, black is white, wrong is right. Exorcists said that they've had more difficulties banishing demons since the Pachamama debacle. The devil uses Pope Francis' sin as an excuse not to leave.
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2022, 02:32:46 PM »
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From the revised edition of “Padre Pio, the True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said “The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure”.

Three months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine (Russia launching 50 Soviet dated cruise missiles on Ukrainian cities last night) and Kirill still not a Catholic.

My vote is the consecration is invalid due to 1st or 2nd reason:

1. Ecumenical nature of the consecration and not ORDERING the Bishops to perform the consecration.

2. Francis is not the Pope (Went into the conclave not a Catholic, left the conclave not a Catholic).

See you next month.
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2022, 02:51:11 PM »
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From the revised edition of “Padre Pio, the True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said “The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure”.

Three months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine (Russia launching 50 Soviet dated cruise missiles on Ukrainian cities last night) and Kirill still not a Catholic.

My vote is the consecration is invalid due to 1st or 2nd reason:

1. Ecumenical nature of the consecration and not ORDERING the Bishops to perform the consecration.

2. Francis is not the Pope (Went into the conclave not a Catholic, left the conclave not a Catholic).

See you next month.

I agree with what Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said about this: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/bp-schneider-defends-francis-consecration-of-russia-as-fulfilling-our-lady-of-fatimas-request/

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Speaking of consecrations, I asked him about Pope Francis’ consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This action by Pope Francis has been a source of debate for Catholics, with some believing that the Pope – however unlikely it was for a man like Francis – had finally fulfilled Our Lady’s requests to consecrate Russia as was instructed to Sister Lucia.

“Thanks be to God, the pope finally consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart on March 25th.”

I pressed the bishop just a bit to get a more developed answer so that he might address some of the concerns individuals may have about the validity of the consecration.

“We have to have the right understanding of the consecration,” he said. “This is not a sacrament. A sacrament is operating instantly when the conditions are fulfilled … a consecration that the pope is doing is a sacramental (he spoke with emphasis).”

Contrasting a sacramental and a sacramental, he explained: “It is a kind of intercession, prayer. It is a work of the church directly, not of God Himself directly. It is a work of the Church and depends on the prayers of the Church.”

“In the eyes of God, it has an objective value because it is a work of the Church.”

It should be expected that the effects of a consecration are “not immediate,” he added.

“People who are awaiting from this consecration of Fatima – which the pope did – an immediate effect, they have in my opinion a deficient understanding of this because it is a kind of understanding like a magic act. It’s not a magic act … doing something then it is produced. These attitudes of these people are implicitly a lack of faith. It’s a lack of faith, they want immediately to see the result. This is not Catholic, this is not Catholic.”

He went on to say that “it is up to God” to know the timing of what will come of the Consecration of Russia.

Bishop Schneider also stressed that for the bishops to be “in union” with the Pope – which was a stipulation given by the Virgin Mary – “is not a question of arithmetic.”

I said to him, “Whenever the Pope does something publicly as the Vicar of Christ, as the head of the bishops on Earth and says he’s doing so in union with them, I mean, that is de facto something done in union with the bishops … ”

Schneider replied, “Exactly, I agree with you.”

In addition, he made reference to the fact that arithmetical majority is not required for even an ecumenical council decision to be an act of the Pope in union with the bishops.

“If the majority of the bishops would vote for a deficient formulation about faith or something ambiguous, and the minority would vote for a clear statement … if the Pope will join the minority and not the majority, then it will be the decision of the entire Catholic Church … it is sufficient that the pope and the minority … will constitute the entire Church.”


The interview ended with Bishop Schneider leading the prayer he composed to hasten the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #111 on: July 26, 2022, 12:16:54 PM »
March 25, 2022 to July 25, 2022.

4 months.

Russia still not a Catholic nation.

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From the revised edition of “Padre Pio, the True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said “The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast.”
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #112 on: July 26, 2022, 12:30:05 PM »
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From the revised edition of “Padre Pio, the True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said “The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure”.

Three months after consecration(?) of Russia and Russia still blowing up the Ukraine (Russia launching 50 Soviet dated cruise missiles on Ukrainian cities last night) and Kirill still not a Catholic.

My vote is the consecration is invalid due to 1st or 2nd reason:

1. Ecumenical nature of the consecration and not ORDERING the Bishops to perform the consecration.

2. Francis is not the Pope (Went into the conclave not a Catholic, left the conclave not a Catholic).

See you next month.

Yeah, and clearly the consecration didn't happen.  I'd add another point.  There was a report that the Spanish prayer consecrated Russia to the Pachamama, "the queen of the lands of the heavens".  I haven't seen that confirmed and would appreciate it if anyone can post a link to the story.

But whether it was true or not, the bishops were not ordered to do it, and many (over 50%?) did not.  So there was no consecration and the war continues.
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #113 on: July 26, 2022, 03:47:43 PM »
SSPX Catholic Kennedy Hall made a Good Case here that the Consecration of Russia overturned Roe v Wade: https://onepeterfive.com/consecration-russia-overturned-roe-v-wade/ The Annunciation was on March 25th. About 3 Months Later, both on the Feast of the Sacred Heart, and also that of St. John the Baptist, the Victory came. Here is the excerpt.

Apart from that, I still think something significant will happen in the coming years, including 2025 and 2033.

I agree with Bishop Athanasius that the Triumph of the Immaculata will eventually come, but in God's Time, not in ours.

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There is a world of significance to unpack in this providential meeting of the Sacred Heart and John the Baptist.

Let us consider the first meeting between Christ and John.

Immediately after the Annunciation (March 25, the day Pope Francis did the consecration) Mary and her Immaculate Heart visited her cousin Elizabeth, and it is said that upon her arrival, “the infant leaped in her womb.” Thus, we understand that John – who was around the age of six months gestation – leaped at the arrival of his Saviour, who was in the very early stages of life in utero.

We might say that the first encounter between John the Baptist and Christ was a moment when the fluttering of the Sacred Heart caused John’s to jump for joy

The pro-life significance in this encounter is easy to see, given that a Sacred Child and a saint-to-be were able to connect in a way that goes beyond mere biology. There is a spiritual element to the encounter, which tells us that God has endowed the unborn with a unique human soul, thus the full dignity of a fully-grown human person.

Very important to recall, as well, is that Our Lady stayed with Elizabeth for exactly three months, until the birth of John, and then she left.

Now, if Heaven were to make its presence known in the world, especially in a moment like this, I think we can responsibly make a few connections.  Three months after Pope Francis consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, there comes a providential day when the Sacred Heart and the Heart of John collide, and on that same day a judicial miracle takes place wherein the beating hearts of innocent children are given their rights.
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #114 on: August 25, 2022, 01:38:01 PM »

March 25, 2022 to August 25, 2022.

5 months.

Russia still not a Catholic nation. War grinds on in Ukraine.
 

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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #115 on: August 25, 2022, 11:46:56 PM »

March 25, 2022 to August 25, 2022.

5 months.

Russia still not a Catholic nation. War grinds on in Ukraine.

The overturning of Roe v Wade is a good start
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2022, 01:17:51 AM »

Six months since the "consecration" and counting.
 
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Re: Name the effect of the consecration or the failure to consecrate. Today
« Reply #117 on: September 29, 2022, 09:34:51 AM »

Six months since the "consecration" and counting.

Five years from now and something will happen  the adherents will claim it was because of the past pontiff's consecration. This is after they've declared him saint.
 
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