Liberal Pell and Apostate Dawkins discuss evolution.

[Xavier]

Pell is considered a "conservative" for some reason, but he is not: this is what compromise on creation does. He says humans probably evolved from Neanderthals (which not even the evolutionists believe!), Adam and Eve "is a very sophisticated mythology" and is "certainly not a scientific truth" but "a religious story told for religious purposes". Maybe he was using mental reservations? He even said atheists could be saved. One compromise after another. Where does it end? https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/adam-and-eve-thats-just-mythology-says-pell/news-story/d32805fb96ea5f191c863b1b71c599e6?sv=cf454b52447bae4a3f2c1bfa1dbb71a0 There's a video on youtube, but I don't think any serious Catholic would want to watch it, because it was bad. Dawkins almost defeated himself, though, when he said there was never a point when a monkey gave birth to a human - something the evolutionists absolutely need to have happened, not once, but close to 10,000 times. Otherwise, their farcical theory fails. And Neanderthals created art, something the evolutionists were astounded to discover: https://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/neanderthal-art-discovery/ Creation scientists have for a long time maintained Neanderthals were human. "Neanderthals were human. They buried their dead, used tools, had a complex social structure, employed language, and played musical instruments. Neanderthal anatomy differences are extremely minor and can be for the most part explained as a result of a genetically isolated people that lived a rigorous life in a harsh, cold climate." http://www.icr.org/article/major-evolutionary-blunders-neanderthals/

Let's give up and become modern Catholics (they've changed the below to "unknown ages" - they don't know, but we know, or should know) if we're not willing to defend the reality of what we proclaim before Christmas, is it about doctrine or isn't it? "In the year 5199th from the creation of the world, when in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ... in the 42nd year of the reign of the Emperor Octavian Augustus, in the 6th age of the world, while the whole earth was at peace, Jesus Christ, Himself Eternal God and Son of the Eternal Father, being pleased to hallow the world by His most gracious coming, having been conceived of the Holy Ghost, and when nine months were passed after His conception, [all kneel down] was born of the Virgin Mary at Bethlehem of Juda made Man, Our Lord Jesus Christ was born according to the flesh." https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/spanning-east-and-west-christmas-liturgy

[LausTibiChriste]

Get a life

[Xavier]

So, you don't care about doctrine, then. It's all about the smells and bells. We love good chant, but we don't care to believe the truth we chant. Adam was specially created on March 25th, 5200 B.C on the sixth day of creation week. That is not only the inspired record of human history handed down in Scripture, but also what Jesus Christ saw fit to include in His Christmas liturgy, at Prime. And how blind you are not to see that evolution has caused at least two people to leave the Faith even on this very forum, let alone has almost destroyed Christianity in the west. Do you even care much about that? If you did care in the slightest, you would be trying to help them see the light. Just like the existence of God can be proved through reason, although without revelation it would hardly be known, so too the falsehood of evolution can be demonstrated through reason alone.

In Evolution: A theory in crisis, Michael Denton says, "The fundamental problem in explaining the gaps in terms of...the imperfection of the record is their systematic character—the fact that there are fewer transitional species between the major divisions than between the minor...and this rule applies universally throughout the living kingdom to all types of organisms...But this is the exact reverse of what is required by evolution. Discontinuities we might be able to explain away in terms of some sort of sampling error but their systematic character defies all explanation. If the gaps really were the result of an insufficient search, or the result of the imperfection of the record, then we should expect to find more transitional forms between mouse and whale than between dog and cat."

It is morally and scientifically certain that thousands and millions of creatures of one species would not have transtioned into millions of another species over an alleged millions of years while leaving millions of gaps in missing links that are still missing. Yet that is exactly what we observe. And that fact alone is sufficient to prove that the lie of evolution from apes to men, or from particles to people, never happened.

You should be ashamed of countenancing the lie that an ape is the father of the human race. It would be like a prince refusing to believe his father the King is his father and wants to give him his whole inheritance. Instead, he says "you see that wild ape there, dad. That's my father." That's not even one millionth of the wicked lie that evolution is, and the intolerable offense it renders to His Divine Majesty.

[PerEvangelicaDicta]

LTC, I respect your opinions, but in this case, this is his life - he's entering the seminary.  If he is ultimately ordained, it is his primary responsibility to assist the faithful regarding the teachings of the Church.
(not that debate should be discouraged, or questions ignored, but I don't believe he does that )

[LausTibiChriste]

LTC, I respect your opinions, but in this case, this is his life - he's entering the seminary.  If he is ultimately ordained, it is his primary responsibility to assist the faithful regarding the teachings of the Church.
(not that debate should be discouraged, or questions ignored, but I don't believe he does that )

400 posts about evolution does not a priest make

[Kaesekopf]

LTC, I respect your opinions, but in this case, this is his life - he's entering the seminary.  If he is ultimately ordained, it is his primary responsibility to assist the faithful regarding the teachings of the Church.
(not that debate should be discouraged, or questions ignored, but I don't believe he does that )

Once he enters seminary, he'll find out that the Faith is so much more than stupid ass arguments on the Internet. 

And, no, evolution isn't his life.  If he's entering seminary, his life will be what his formators and his superiors decide. 

I imagine he won't even touch evolution in studies until the last year or two of his study program, if at all.

There are simply far more important things to focus on.

[Xavier]

I wish more Christians would seriously study the horrors that evolution caused and why it is the greatest heresy of recent times, that must be fought, destroyed and crushed. I'm very happy the SSPX is unflinchingly firm on opposing evolution. I know former SSPX seminarians who are, too. http://archives.sspx.org/against_sound_bites/devolution_of_evolution.htm

But I don't mean to be harsh on anyone, and I'm sorry if I was. On evolution itself, yes, we must be harsh, in opposing it as a false ideology that caused millions of deaths and is causing millions of souls to perish.

"THE DEVOLUTION OF EVOLUTION
Dr. Terry Jackson

Originally featured in the February 1997 issue of The Angelus magazine.
In 1947, Bishop O'Gara was imprisoned by the Chinese Communists and wrote from his prison cell regarding the Marxist indoctrination of his flock. A number of them were "hopeless" to the new regime and were executed. Those considered "salvageable" had to attend a week-long class as the new "People's Republic" was born. His letter described the retraining classes. He does not refer to Marxist philosophy, redistribution of wealth, or even basic socialist principles, but rather Darwinian evolution. This was what was considered the first vital step towards a cooperative communist populace. Eliminate God the Creator, eliminate original sin, replace God with the State.

The Communists utilized Darwin's observations of natural selection1 (which are valid observations) to advance a concept that all life, humans included, is pure chance resulting from environmental pressures existing for untold millions of years slowly molding them into their current status. The beginnings of life resulted from chance occurrences with random molecules. From a primordial ooze came the first living cell which became a two-celled organism and, billions of years later, became a human being, an organism of 100 trillion cells. The Chinese relied upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to undermine the religious foundation of millions of faithful. Those too strong to crack were eliminated.2

In our education system, evolution is firmly established. This training begins at age three and is continually reinforced throughout life. Though a much less physically violent elimination process occurs in the U.S., anyone holding to creationism and its Scriptural foundations or to religious beliefs regarding a Creator are mocked and ridiculed. The Genesis account of Noe and the Flood is the favored target.3

Evolution as a doctrine carries immense importance to the enemies of Christianity:

Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of God. Take away the meaning of His death. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing.4

Darwin hoped to make evolution a new religion. It was embraced by Karl Marx1, is taught in our public schools as the state religion5 and is publicly accepted by Pope John Paul II.

Yet, the theory of evolution has no scientific basis.6, 7 It derives solely from Darwin's observations of natural selection as well as countless imaginary drawings. No genuine evidence exists to support it,8, 9 despite the fact that fraudulent and manipulated drawings and specimens are frequently utilized ... "

Please read the full article.

[LausTibiChriste]

I wish more Christianity would seriously study the horrors that evolution caused and why it is the greatest heresy of recent times, that must be fought, destroyed and crushed. I'm very happy the SSPX is unflinchingly firm on opposing evolution. http://archives.sspx.org/against_sound_bites/devolution_of_evolution.htm

"THE DEVOLUTION OF EVOLUTION
Dr. Terry Jackson

Originally featured in the February 1997 issue of The Angelus magazine.
In 1947, Bishop O'Gara was imprisoned by the Chinese Communists and wrote from his prison cell regarding the Marxist indoctrination of his flock. A number of them were "hopeless" to the new regime and were executed. Those considered "salvageable" had to attend a week-long class as the new "People's Republic" was born. His letter described the retraining classes. He does not refer to Marxist philosophy, redistribution of wealth, or even basic socialist principles, but rather Darwinian evolution. This was what was considered the first vital step towards a cooperative communist populace. Eliminate God the Creator, eliminate original sin, replace God with the State.

The Communists utilized Darwin's observations of natural selection1 (which are valid observations) to advance a concept that all life, humans included, is pure chance resulting from environmental pressures existing for untold millions of years slowly molding them into their current status. The beginnings of life resulted from chance occurrences with random molecules. From a primordial ooze came the first living cell which became a two-celled organism and, billions of years later, became a human being, an organism of 100 trillion cells. The Chinese relied upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to undermine the religious foundation of millions of faithful. Those too strong to crack were eliminated.2

In our education system, evolution is firmly established. This training begins at age three and is continually reinforced throughout life. Though a much less physically violent elimination process occurs in the U.S., anyone holding to creationism and its Scriptural foundations or to religious beliefs regarding a Creator are mocked and ridiculed. The Genesis account of Noe and the Flood is the favored target.3

Evolution as a doctrine carries immense importance to the enemies of Christianity:

Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of God. Take away the meaning of His death. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing.4

Darwin hoped to make evolution a new religion. It was embraced by Karl Marx1, is taught in our public schools as the state religion5 and is publicly accepted by Pope John Paul II.

Yet, the theory of evolution has no scientific basis.6, 7 It derives solely from Darwin's observations of natural selection as well as countless imaginary drawings. No genuine evidence exists to support it,8, 9 despite the fact that fraudulent and manipulated drawings and specimens are frequently utilized ... "

Please read the full article.

You're a delusional moron.

There are far worse things going on. Get your head out of your ass, you lunatic and shape up. You need a lot more sense if you hope to be a priest.

[Xavier]

Spoken like a true smells and bells person who cares nothing about doctrine. I stand with the SSPX and with Catholic Tradition in opposing evolution.

[Kaesekopf]

I wish more Christians would seriously study the horrors that evolution caused and why it is the greatest heresy of recent times, that must be fought, destroyed and crushed. I'm very happy the SSPX is unflinchingly firm on opposing evolution. I know former SSPX seminarians who are, too.

Evolution is far worse than Modernism?   

Please.

[LausTibiChriste]

Spoken like a true smells and bells person who cares nothing about doctrine. I stand with the SSPX and with Catholic Tradition in opposing evolution.

You're gonna make a great priest

[Kaesekopf]

Spoken like a true smells and bells person who cares nothing about doctrine. I stand with the SSPX and with Catholic Tradition in opposing evolution.

You're gonna make a great priest

Very pastoral. 

[LausTibiChriste]

Forgive me Father for I have sinned...I looked at porn once

Don't worry my child...stop believing in evolution and everything will be a-ok

[Mono no aware]

Evolution is far worse than Modernism?   

Please.

I think you could say evolution is part and parcel of modernism.  The two late 19th century movements that most influenced modernism were the "historical criticism" of the bible, and then evolution.  These were added to the broader course of Enlightenment thought that was already in the water.  The Vatican II idea that the Church must change to meet the world is, itself, a mixture of the Hegelian notion of progress and the Darwinian idea that things adapt to survive in their environment.  A lot of the Vatican II Fathers were influenced by Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit paleontologist whose whole philosophy was based on evolution: that humanity was evolving to meet Christ at Omega Point.  But of course everyone knows this, and everyone also knows it's no coincidence that one of the foremost figures in the growing atheist movement is Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist.  "Evolution v. Christianity" is not nothing.  Although I disagree with Xavier on evolution, I think he's quite correct to give it the consideration he does.  Even if he is wrong in his assessment, the mockery being heaped on him here is at best uncharitable.

As for the confessional, he is likely to scold few of the faithful on evolution there.  Most people who accept evolution probably aren't going to be in a confessional in the first place, and I think that's his whole point.

[LausTibiChriste]

Evolution is far worse than Modernism?   

Please.

Most people who accept evolution probably aren't going to be in a confessional in the first place, and I think that's his whole point.

Are you actually that retarded?