"Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?" (1 Corinthians 11:14)
How do we understand this passage? St. Paul not only condemns men having long hair, but also says that men having long hair go against NATURE itself.
The Douay has St. Paul's words saying that it is degrading to a man to nourish his hair. If we take that translation, the meaning is clearer.
Blessed are the cheesemakers*
* - Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
Jesus Christ had/has long hair.
Quote from: Mother Love Bone on January 26, 2021, 06:22:04 AM
Jesus Christ had/has long hair.
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Can't say for sure, but I'm guessing there's an ambiguity in the Greek.
Here is the text in question:
Greek: [. . .] ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?????,
Old Latin: [. . .] vir quidem si comatus sit, ignominia est illi
Vulgate: [. . .] vir quidem si comam nutriat, ignominia est illi :
Original Douay Rheims: [. . .] a man indeed if he nourish his haire, it is an ignominie for him:
King James Version: [. . .] if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Challoner: [. . .] a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him?
Confraternity: [. . .] for a man to wear his hair long is degrading ;
NABRE: [. . .] if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,
No idea what St. Paul is saying, but I'm guessing he wasn't saying that long man hair is sinful in that it is contrary to nature. Because what about Samson and the Nazarites?
Pretty sure St. Paul is talking about vanity.
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/did-jesus-have-long-hair.html
Quote from: red solo cup on January 26, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/did-jesus-have-long-hair.html
This overlooks the possibility that Christ's physical appearance may have been preserved through extrabiblical traditions or may have at some later time been re-learned through private revelation or through the rediscovery of the Veil of Veronica, the Mandylion, or the Shroud of Truin. The Shroud of Turin depicts Him having a beard and (I think) long hair.
Quote from: Kent on January 25, 2021, 08:04:31 PM
The Douay has St. Paul's words saying that it is degrading to a man to nourish his hair. If we take that translation, the meaning is clearer.
Granting that St. Jerome's translation is correct, what does this entail? I mean, what does "nourish" mean? Is it wrong for a man to use shampoo or conditioner? Is it wrong for a man to comb or brush his hair?
Quote from: clau clau on January 26, 2021, 06:41:05 AM
Quote from: Mother Love Bone on January 26, 2021, 06:22:04 AM
Jesus Christ had/has long hair.
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So is your retarded meme supposed to be a logical argument? Idiot.
There is no more logical argument than Christ's living example. He had/has long hair.
Quote from: Mother Love Bone on January 31, 2021, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: clau clau on January 26, 2021, 06:41:05 AM
Quote from: Mother Love Bone on January 26, 2021, 06:22:04 AM
Jesus Christ had/has long hair.
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So is your retarded meme supposed to be a logical argument? Idiot.
There is no more logical argument than Christ's living example. He had/has long hair.
No. You made a logical argument. i.e. Jesus Christ has long hair.
I was making the point that most of the argument on this forum is driven by rhetoric and not dialectic (i.e. logic)
It was supposed to be a compliment.
Have a nice day.
mother love bone = Gog ??
Quote from: GUI01234 on January 25, 2021, 07:49:49 PM
"Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?" (1 Corinthians 11:14)
How do we understand this passage? St. Paul not only condemns men having long hair, but also says that men having long hair go against NATURE itself.
2 mins using Google ...
https://www.bibleref.com/1-Corinthians/11/1-Corinthians-11-14.html
Quote from: Daniel on January 29, 2021, 06:26:21 AM
Granting that St. Jerome's translation is correct, what does this entail? I mean, what does "nourish" mean? Is it wrong for a man to use shampoo or conditioner? Is it wrong for a man to comb or brush his hair?
No, it is wrong to wear it like a woman basically, or enhance its beauty.
Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on February 01, 2021, 07:43:59 PM
Quote from: Daniel on January 29, 2021, 06:26:21 AM
Granting that St. Jerome's translation is correct, what does this entail? I mean, what does "nourish" mean? Is it wrong for a man to use shampoo or conditioner? Is it wrong for a man to comb or brush his hair?
No, it is wrong to wear it like a woman basically, or enhance its beauty.
That's right, a mullet is not a sin.
A mullet is an honor to a man. 8)
Quote from: Heinrich on January 26, 2021, 10:01:24 AM
Pretty sure St. Paul is talking about vanity.
Corinth was the playboy city of Greece at the time. In Paul's day ships would be hauled over land via the Corinth Isthmus, and while in transit sailors would go to pay their homage at the shrine to the goddess of love in Corinth, which was the fee paid to the temple prostitutes. It is no stretch of the imagination to suppose their were many homosexual or effeminate men there as well given Greek society at the time, which could be what Paul is implying as well.