What happens to Gen Y and Z?

[Greg]

A Taylor Marshall tweet from today - The younger generation who hates Christ and our nation is poisoned by: porn, marijuana, poor public education, debased music, divorce culture, feminism, and false guilt. All this was rolled out in the 1960s and it's nearly reaching full saturation.

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So....what happens if this situation is somehow turned around?  The damage is done.  You might get the odd bluebird who can reform themselves, but most of these characters will never undo the damage of a left-wing education.  They simply don't have the skills to marry, raise families, hold down jobs, take criticism or angry outbursts from a boss.

In Russia a lot of the old commies drank themselves to death between 1990 and 2001.  They could not find any place in the new corrupt, democratic free for all Russia.  Not sure what happened to French collaborators and these are just regional.  The liberalism now affects the entire world and in this generation it is REALLY pervasive.

For starters to have any sort of chance of recovery for this perverted and degenerate generation the western governments of the future are going to need to make pornography as illegal and difficult to access as child porn is now.  That would be a HUGE, HUGE administrative task.  You'd need length prison sentences for people distributing porn and bots on computers and servers to delete it because the entire generation are porn consumers, far worse than my day, and it was pretty bad then.

I see three possibilities.  God has to perform a miracle of grace globally that would be unprecedented in human history.  This would have problems for free will (unless it is the end of the world soon)
He has to kill loads of them off to get a recovery.
It is a long, long climb out over 2 to 3 generations, probably more, since it is easier to get sinful than get holier.

[awkwardcustomer]

I'm going for option one but without the miracle.  Because it's nearly the end of the world and no miracle of the kind you describe is required.

Doesn't Scripture tell us that people will become like this more and more towards the end?  Surely we've reached the tipping point, especially considering what's happened to the Church. 

If God started killing off people now, there'd be no-one left to worship the antichrist when he comes.

[Greg]

Option one is a miracle.

[awkwardcustomer]

Option one is a miracle.

I misunderstood then.  I read it as God performing a global miracle of grace, which would have problems for free will unless it's the end of the world soon.  Then subtracted the miracle.

But if option one is a miracle, then none of your options, since it's nearly the end of the world.

[Greg]

I mean if God steps in, in a massive way (a sign of the cross in the heavens) then in our videoed, data, science world that would impact free will.    If there was a documented miracle that record would remain.

If the Miracle of the Sun was on HD video and you saw people's clothes go from wet to dry miraculously, it would be more compelling than a newspaper report (as interesting as that is). Especially if there were mutliple video records posted to Twitter immediately without any time to fake the video.

[TheReturnofLive]

In Russia a lot of the old commies drank themselves to death between 1990 and 2001.  They could not find any place in the new corrupt, democratic free for all Russia.  Not sure what happened to French collaborators and these are just regional.  The liberalism now affects the entire world and in this generation it is REALLY pervasive.

But Greg, Russia got PIZZA HUT

[Tales]

I again note that just because the West, which is a minority of the world's population, is going to the pits does not mean the entire world is coming to an end.

Historian of civilization Arnold Toynbee shows a similar path that once civilizations enter the breakdown phase it generally lasts for 500 years.  During this breakdown whatever made the civilization is gradually thrown off.  Then the people enter a 500 year interregnum dark ages before a new civilization is even possible to be formed (if one is ever formed again - other than Rome & later Christendom otherwise there are no other historical precedents of two civilizations on one land). The interregnum must be so long because it takes tens of generations to grind out any connection between the people of that land and the past civilization - it takes a tremendously long time for people to stop looking back to the grand civilization already dead. Many generations must pass for people to stop looking back to the glories of Rome before they can exclusively assent to being Catholic.  It will take a long time for people to stop looking back to the West before they can assent to any potential new civilization that may come forth in European or American lands.

As noted, Toynbee identifies Christendom as the new civilization which grew out of the lands following the five century interregnum (the breakdown of Rome was the entire imperial age).  Specifically he points to Pope Gregory VII as forming Christendom by using the authority of the Papacy to resolve conflicts that rose between Europeans.  This method of conflict resolution broke down in the 16th century due to the Protestant Revolt which smashed the authority of the Church.  Ever since its been a five century breakdown of Christendom and I sense we're nearing the final end where every vestige of it in society (at large) is totally wiped away.

This leads us with a 500 year interregnum going forward during which, in the former lands of the West, it will be much harder to organize any society to do anything.  There will be little unifying forces to get problems solved.  Can think of barbarian raids and what not of the Dark Ages and see the same thing beginning now.  As Rome was sacked so too is America being sacked and Europe will follow by the Caliphate. 

This is the general path of history.  Happened many times before, will happen many times going forward.  There could be actions taken to delay the interregnum, such as secession, but that's looking unlikely.

I again note this is happening to a subset of the world, there are other parts of the world not going through this.

[awkwardcustomer]

I again note that just because the West, which is a minority of the world's population, is going to the pits does not mean the entire world is coming to an end.

Historian of civilization Arnold Toynbee shows a similar path that once civilizations enter the breakdown phase it generally lasts for 500 years.  During this breakdown whatever made the civilization is gradually thrown off.  Then the people enter a 500 year interregnum dark ages before a new civilization is even possible to be formed (if one is ever formed again - other than Rome & later Christendom otherwise there are no other historical precedents of two civilizations on one land). The interregnum must be so long because it takes tens of generations to grind out any connection between the people of that land and the past civilization - it takes a tremendously long time for people to stop looking back to the grand civilization already dead. Many generations must pass for people to stop looking back to the glories of Rome before they can exclusively assent to being Catholic.  It will take a long time for people to stop looking back to the West before they can assent to any potential new civilization that may come forth in European or American lands.

As noted, Toynbee identifies Christendom as the new civilization which grew out of the lands following the five century interregnum (the breakdown of Rome was the entire imperial age).  Specifically he points to Pope Gregory VII as forming Christendom by using the authority of the Papacy to resolve conflicts that rose between Europeans.  This method of conflict resolution broke down in the 16th century due to the Protestant Revolt which smashed the authority of the Church.  Ever since its been a five century breakdown of Christendom and I sense we're nearing the final end where every vestige of it in society (at large) is totally wiped away.

This leads us with a 500 year interregnum going forward during which, in the former lands of the West, it will be much harder to organize any society to do anything.  There will be little unifying forces to get problems solved.  Can think of barbarian raids and what not of the Dark Ages and see the same thing beginning now.  As Rome was sacked so too is America being sacked and Europe will follow by the Caliphate. 

This is the general path of history.  Happened many times before, will happen many times going forward.  There could be actions taken to delay the interregnum, such as secession, but that's looking unlikely.

I again note this is happening to a subset of the world, there are other parts of the world not going through this.

What's going on now is far more significant than a mere fall of one civilisation to be followed by the rise of another, something that has happened throughout history as Arnold Toynbee points out and everyone knows.  The reason that it's different this time is because the Church has fallen, something that the Toynbee analysis doesn't cover.   

There's been a regime changing coup in the Vatican and the men of the Church are no longer Catholic.  The Church is now incapable of functioning as She is meant to.  IMO Vatican II was the revolt warned about by St Paul in 2Thess 2.  What's more, we have no Pope, and St Paul refers to this as a sign of the coming antichrist, as in, the 'one who holds' (the Keys) having to be 'taken out of the way' before the antichrist comes.  And he has been out of the way, ergo Sedevacante.

This is why none of Greg's options are possible and why no new civilisation will rise.  St Paul's revolt has coincided with the end of the West.  The Church is in the West where Christ chose to put Her. The Church has fallen, the West has fallen.  It's the end of all things.

Sorry.

It won't be long.  The NWO is being rolled out right now.

[King Wenceslas]

By 2025 a new order will have been installed in the US. It will be dictatorial. People will only put up with the destruction for so long.

The question is will it be a Franco or a Stalin? Biden and Trump are only interim leaders until the curtain comes up on the dictator.

And yes the US government will only be a puppet dictated to by the dictator like Lincoln and Roosevelt did.

[Greg]

Davis, where in the world is there not widespread abortion, contraception, pornography, homosexuality accepted and promoted and fornication?

[Irishcyclist]

Davis, where in the world is there not widespread abortion, contraception, pornography, homosexuality accepted and promoted and fornication?

The easy availability of each of these activities doesn't necessarily mean that these activities are being consumed and indulged in.

[CaptCrunch73]

With respect to the 3 scenarios of the OP here's a swag. I am not an expert in these matters and do not claim to be.

Some Catholic Prophecy talks about major and minor chastisements, so reaching to put together a logical narrative.

1. We are living in the minor chastisement, the Bible talks about the time where good will be called evil and evil good. we are probably there
2a. Russia gets consecrated (Would love to see PF do this as a PR prank and then see a miracle occur)
2b. Some Catholic Charismatics are banking on The Warning/Illumination of Conscience (Is this from Garabandal also?)
2c. Perhaps there is another similar event(s) or miracle
3. Mary's Immaculate heart triumphs 
4. Period of peace
5. The anti-christ arrives
6. The End

[Greg]

Davis, where in the world is there not widespread abortion, contraception, pornography, homosexuality accepted and promoted and fornication?

The easy availability of each of these activities doesn't necessarily mean that these activities are being consumed and indulged in.

The data says otherwise.  In survey after survey.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

Seems to me the best place to live in terms of low rate of divorce, universal non-acceptance of homosexuality, blocks on pornography, abortion illegal and other western moral evils is Indonesia.

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/article/2119263/do-indonesias-anti-pornography-laws-protect-morals-or-encourage

The attitudes of most developed countries concerning premarital sex in the recent past were likely not dissimilar from the current views of the less developed countries. In the United States, for example, whereas the proportion of those who viewed premarital sex as unacceptable was nearly universal at the start of the 20th century, it declined to about 70 percent by midcentury, 40 percent by the 1970s and is approximately 25 percent today.

http://www.ipsnews.net/2018/04/premarital-sex-increasing-worldwide/

[clau clau]

With respect to the 3 scenarios of the OP here's a swag. I am not an expert in these matters and do not claim to be.

Some Catholic Prophecy talks about major and minor chastisements, so reaching to put together a logical narrative.

1. We are living in the minor chastisement, the Bible talks about the time where good will be called evil and evil good. we are probably there
My death.
2a. Russia gets consecrated (Would love to see PF do this as a PR prank and then see a miracle occur)
2b. Some Catholic Charismatics are banking on The Warning/Illumination of Conscience (Is this from Garabandal also?)
2c. Perhaps there is another similar event(s) or miracle
3. Mary's Immaculate heart triumphs 
4. Period of peace
5. The anti-christ arrives
6. The End

Fixed it for you.

[Xavier]

Yes, the Great Warning will come soon. God has explained this in the God Speaks: Will you listen messages here: https://www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org/ On the Day of the Warning, all souls will know and see their unconfessed sins and experience a foretaste of judgment. This is humanity's last chance for complete conversion to faith and holiness before the Anti-Christ comes.

"Who am I? I am holy, sin is an abomination in my sight. Read, Isaias's vision of the Lord. Isaias 6:3 Holy, Holy, Holy, the Lord God of hosts, all the earth is full of his glory. Verse 5 And I said: Woe is me, because I have held my peace; I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people that hath unclean lips, and I have seen with my eyes the King the Lord of hosts. Vs. 7 And he touched my mouth, and said: Behold this hath touched thy lips, and thy iniquities shall be taken away, and thy sin shall be cleansed. Vs. 8 And I heard the voice of the Lord saying: Whom shall I send, and who shall go for us? And I said: Lo, here am I. Send me. This will be your warning experience if you remain in sanctifying grace. You will see all those areas of your life that are holding you back from serving me 100%. Remember Isaias was my servant before this experience. He needed this experience to rid himself of all his sins, so he could complete his mission for me. In my sight, remember if you do all I command, you are still unprofitable servants. Luke 17:10. How many of you do all I command? After this experience, Isaias was fearlessly able to fulfill his mission for me and as tradition says he was sawed in half. After this warning experience, my remnant will be like Isaias filled with the Holy Spirit and will go out to evangelize the world with no fear of man or evil.

You will have seen your King the Lord of hosts. This is why I want you to prepare yourself with confession, penance, and communion so you can be ready to participate in THE GREAT HARVEST OF SOULS. PRAY YE THEREFORE THE LORD OF THE HARVEST, TO SEND FORTH LABORERS INTO HIS HARVEST. All those in sanctifying grace are my laborers and after the warning each more so. It will be a glorious time for the Kingdom of God. Many souls will be delivered from the bondage of Satan because of my mercy and your willingness to be my servants. Do not dwell on the darkness so much. Satan wants to put fear in my church. He wants you to fear persecution, the antichrist, and the one world order. This warning will destroy much of his power and take souls from his kingdom. His power over much of mankind will be broken. My Holy Spirit will inflame and fill the hearts and souls of my faithful like my disciples on the day of Pentecost. I will renew my church for I am its founder and head. Praise the Lord for this day of warning. Pray for those souls who are in the darkness of sin and especially the lukewarm that they will respond to my mercy during the warning. Pray divine mercy chaplets with this intention now. Those who reject my mercy will face the wrath of God. Be not afraid my faithful. I am not the author of fear but of power and of love and of a sound mind. Be filled with the Spirit and prepare for the GREAT HARVEST OF THE LORD. Peace be with you."