Neo-Con Priest - We can reasonably hope that all men are saved, no one in Hell

[Bonaventure]

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According to him, we should side with Hans Urs von Balthasar over Sts. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, two of the greatest saints, theologians, and doctors of the Church.

We can reasonably hope that all men are saved!

We don't know if anyone is in Hell!

"It's a universalism if you want...a theologically grounded, reasonable hope that all will be saved."

[Et_cum_spiri220]

A trad priest once told me that Aquinas can be used as a litmus test to see how Orthodox a person is. He said when he talked to fellow clergy members he wasn't familiar with and wanted to quickly detect modernists he would observe their reaction to Aquinas. The more they liked and agreed with St. Thomas the lower the chance of them being modernists. The ones that dodged the questions or disagreed were usually heretics.

[Bonaventure]

I agree with him. No one merely "dislikes" St. Thomas.

[poche]

Alphonso de Ligouri said that those who don't believe in Hell are those who are most in danger of going there.

[tmw89]

I agree with him. No one merely "dislikes" St. Thomas.

Least of all someone who was supposed to study him for years before receiving an imprint on their very soul.

Alphonso de Ligouri said that those who don't believe in Hell are those who are most in danger of going there.

QFT

[Vetus Ordo]

If "all men" would be saved, the very notion of election would be absurd.

Fr. Barron should pay attention to the Scriptures, instead of his own theological fancies.

[Bonaventure]

If "all men" would be saved, the very notion of election would be absurd.

Fr. Barron should pay attention to the Scriptures, instead of his own theological fancies.

To his defense, he does not say that all men are saved or will be saved, but that we can reasonably hope so and that we do not know if anyone is in Hell.

His statements, as they stand, are problematic.

[tmw89]

If "all men" would be saved, the very notion of election would be absurd.

Fr. Barron should pay attention to the Scriptures, instead of his own theological fancies.

To his defense, he does not say that all men are saved or will be saved, but that we can reasonably hope so and that we do not know if anyone is in Hell.

His statements, as they stand, are problematic.

His statements are absurd and erroneous, likely heretical - we can deduce with certainty that AT THE VERY LEAST Judas is in Hell, and I'm relatively sure the Church has taught such (which is covered by Ordinary and Universal Magisterium.)

[poche]

If "all men" would be saved, the very notion of election would be absurd.

Fr. Barron should pay attention to the Scriptures, instead of his own theological fancies.

To his defense, he does not say that all men are saved or will be saved, but that we can reasonably hope so and that we do not know if anyone is in Hell.

There is enough private revelation to disprove what that idea.

[EcceQuamBonum]

According to him, we should side with Hans Urs von Balthasar over Sts. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, two of the greatest saints, theologians, and doctors of the Church.

Haven't you heard?  Von Balthasar is the St. Thomas Aquinas of the nouveau régime.  They're probably looking to canonize him right after JPII.  Then they'll bestow the title Doctor Nebulosus upon him.   

[Bonaventure]

According to him, we should side with Hans Urs von Balthasar over Sts. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, two of the greatest saints, theologians, and doctors of the Church.

Haven't you heard?  Von Balthasar is the St. Thomas Aquinas of the nouveau régime.  They're probably looking to canonize him right after JPII.  Then they'll bestow the title Doctor Nebulosus upon him.   

This is another laugh or cry moment.

[Mr. Mysterious]

Obviously Father Barron never read the Epistle of St. Jude:

"As Sodom and Gomorrha and the neighboring cities, in like manner, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire." Jude 1:7

[Mithrandylan]

Obviously Father Barron never read the Epistle of St. Jude:

"As Sodom and Gomorrha and the neighboring cities, in like manner, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire." Jude 1:7

Yea but this is referring to the cities, not necessarily the people who were in them.

#reasonablehope

[Bonaventure]

As long as one believes in a male, celibate priesthood, the indissolubility of marriage, the horror of abortion, and the fact that marriage is between a man and a woman, they are a conservative. Tack on smells and bells, incense, nice vestments, and antiquated English, and they're "traditional."

Look at what he has to say on religious liberty.

[EcceQuamBonum]

Look at what he has to say on religious liberty.

You mean after he gets through five minutes of "LOOK AT ALL THE PLACES I'VE BEEN TO AND HOW IMPORTANT I AM"?

Oh, and "there's plenty of blame to go around in this bloody persecution."  Huh???  Shame on Mary for trying to restore the true Faith to England!   

Anyway, "JPII said that religious liberty is the most fundamental of the rights that we have."  There you have it.  Verbum Domini, y'all.

Does it not occur to any of these people that perhaps adopting Enlightenment secularist rights discourse is part of the problem in the first place?  (No, of course it doesn't because that's the whole idea.  Rhetorical question.)