Angelus vs Baronius Missal

Started by martin88nyc, December 18, 2018, 12:06:41 PM

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Miriam_M

Quote from: Gardener on December 27, 2018, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 27, 2018, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 26, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Here are the dimensions:
Angelus: 6.75 × 4.25 × 1.25 in

Baronius: 7.375 × 4.75 × 2.3125 in

From this I deduce Baronius has larger font. Is that true?
could anyone confirm this?

Send me a PM to remind me and I'll pull both out tonight and do some side-by-side pictures for you.

Hopefully, you'll post that and not just PM it, even with a PM'ed reminder.
(Some others of us are also interested.)
;)

Gardener

yeah, I'll post up here. Can't attach pics on PMs (annoying! but understandable)
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martin88nyc

Quote from: Miriam_M on December 27, 2018, 09:33:51 PM
Quote from: Gardener on December 27, 2018, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 27, 2018, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 26, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Here are the dimensions:
Angelus: 6.75 × 4.25 × 1.25 in

Baronius: 7.375 × 4.75 × 2.3125 in

From this I deduce Baronius has larger font. Is that true?
could anyone confirm this?

Send me a PM to remind me and I'll pull both out tonight and do some side-by-side pictures for you.

Hopefully, you'll post that and not just PM it, even with a PM'ed reminder.
(Some others of us are also interested.)
;)
:) I notice that Baronius is easier to read.
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Gardener

Let's see if this works:
(click album link; once in album, click on pics to zoom.)
https://imgur.com/a/JbIJgiJ

I tried to get some propers, prefaces, canon, chant notation, and how big they are in the hand compared to each other.

My preference is the Angelus. It seems to have less flipping around to get to parts and generally lays in the hand better.

However, if you are the type of person who uses holy cards to mark pages, the Baronius (being stiffer due to smaller size) might be more preferable.
"If anyone does not wish to have Mary Immaculate for his Mother, he will not have Christ for his Brother." - St. Maximilian Kolbe

Innocent Smith

Of the two, Angelus is better if only for the notes within the Ordinary of the Mass which explain what is going on. Parsimonious, yet full of meaning. I dare say you wouldn't need to read a book on the Mass if you are of reasonable intelligence after studying with that Missal.

I own the Angelus and have given the Baronius as a gift. But it would have to be an emergency for me to haul the Angelus to Mass. Much better to use a slim St. Andrew from the late '50s or early '60s without Vespers. And if you really want luxury and convenience get a Sunday Missal and use the slim St. Andrew for other days of the week.
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Prayerful

Quote from: Gardener on December 27, 2018, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 27, 2018, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 26, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Here are the dimensions:
Angelus: 6.75 × 4.25 × 1.25 in

Baronius: 7.375 × 4.75 × 2.3125 in

From this I deduce Baronius has larger font. Is that true?
could anyone confirm this?

Send me a PM to remind me and I'll pull both out tonight and do some side-by-side pictures for you.

Font nearly identical or the same. Angelus has narrower margins.
Padre Pio: Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.

Stu Cool

Quote from: Gardener on December 28, 2018, 12:47:22 AM
Let's see if this works:
(click album link; once in album, click on pics to zoom.)
https://imgur.com/a/JbIJgiJ

I tried to get some propers, prefaces, canon, chant notation, and how big they are in the hand compared to each other.

My preference is the Angelus. It seems to have less flipping around to get to parts and generally lays in the hand better.

However, if you are the type of person who uses holy cards to mark pages, the Baronius (being stiffer due to smaller size) might be more preferable.

Shout out to James' book!

martin88nyc

Quote from: Gardener on December 28, 2018, 12:47:22 AM
Let's see if this works:
(click album link; once in album, click on pics to zoom.)
https://imgur.com/a/JbIJgiJ

I tried to get some propers, prefaces, canon, chant notation, and how big they are in the hand compared to each other.

My preference is the Angelus. It seems to have less flipping around to get to parts and generally lays in the hand better.

However, if you are the type of person who uses holy cards to mark pages, the Baronius (being stiffer due to smaller size) might be more preferable.
Thank you for the effort. But you know Baronius now makes missals slightly larger than Angelus so the font is definatelly bigger.
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Jacob

It does?  When did it start doing that?
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Gardener

Quote from: martin88nyc on December 28, 2018, 10:19:09 AM

Thank you for the effort. But you know Baronius now makes missals slightly larger than Angelus so the font is definatelly bigger.

Not necessarily.

I wasn't aware their missals were now bigger w/ outside dimensions until you countered (hence why I provided measurements in one of the pics), so I looked at their page. There, one can see the inside:
https://www.baroniuspress.com/images/Daily_Missal_browsing/283.html (just flip to "next page" at bottom of browser to get an idea of inside).

It looks to me like they took their previous printing size and just stuck it in a larger overall missal, resulting in larger margins. One also still has the problem of the thickness of their missal (really affects how it handles in the hand) along with the formatting issues, unless they changed the format of things like preface locations.

However, all of this is personal preference. My wife really likes her Baronius and I'd rather go without than ever touch it.  ::)
"If anyone does not wish to have Mary Immaculate for his Mother, he will not have Christ for his Brother." - St. Maximilian Kolbe

martin88nyc

Thank you Gardener. I am going to cal Baronius and ask if it is still the same size of text
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Prayerful

Quote from: Gardener on December 28, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
Quote from: martin88nyc on December 28, 2018, 10:19:09 AM

Thank you for the effort. But you know Baronius now makes missals slightly larger than Angelus so the font is definatelly bigger.

Not necessarily.

I wasn't aware their missals were now bigger w/ outside dimensions until you countered (hence why I provided measurements in one of the pics), so I looked at their page. There, one can see the inside:
https://www.baroniuspress.com/images/Daily_Missal_browsing/283.html (just flip to "next page" at bottom of browser to get an idea of inside).

It looks to me like they took their previous printing size and just stuck it in a larger overall missal, resulting in larger margins. One also still has the problem of the thickness of their missal (really affects how it handles in the hand) along with the formatting issues, unless they changed the format of things like preface locations.

However, all of this is personal preference. My wife really likes her Baronius and I'd rather go without than ever touch it.  ::)

The '48 - '62 Ideal Missal original (and source of 1-3) has the smallest headings and margins, tightest spacing, identical sized Latin and English, with the Angelus having somewhat larger margins, nearly identical Latin-English font, and the Baronius having the widest margins and more generous spacing, with overly small Latin font and much larger English font (which made following the Mass harder to follow as priest and server will be using the Latin I'm trying to read from the Baronius).



1. Ideal Missal, 1948,, 2. Angelus Missal, 2004, 3. Baronius Missal, 2015 4. St Andrew's Missal, 1940-1947.

The St Andrew's Missal is one I prefer to them all simply for the detailed explanation for each Sunday which fully integrates explanation of the Office for that day, plus the historical and scriptural setting for each part of the liturgical year.
Padre Pio: Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.

Stefano

I have two different editions of the Baronius, the 2014 and the 2017. The latter of the two is much smaller in width and more codusive to single hand holding. I plan on getting a St. Andrews Missal now, too, for the pre-1955 Holy Week. Unless there is another Missal that someone here would recommend in place of the St. Andrew's?

martin88nyc

Quote from: Stefano on January 03, 2019, 07:46:51 AM
I have two different editions of the Baronius, the 2014 and the 2017. The latter of the two is much smaller in width and more codusive to single hand holding. I plan on getting a St. Andrews Missal now, too, for the pre-1955 Holy Week. Unless there is another Missal that someone here would recommend in place of the St. Andrew's?
There is Fr. Lasance's The New Roman Missal.
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Stefano

Quote from: martin88nyc on January 03, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
Quote from: Stefano on January 03, 2019, 07:46:51 AM
I have two different editions of the Baronius, the 2014 and the 2017. The latter of the two is much smaller in width and more codusive to single hand holding. I plan on getting a St. Andrews Missal now, too, for the pre-1955 Holy Week. Unless there is another Missal that someone here would recommend in place of the St. Andrew's?
There is Fr. Lasance's The New Roman Missal.

I was previously unaware of this Missal! This sounds excellent. I shall have to try and track down a copy in the Great White North (more than $100 USD with shipping from the Fraternity!)