Forum improvements?

[GiftOfGod]

I know that, which is why I am asking for a specific sub-fora. Another trad forum calls theirs the "Feeneyism Ghetto".

I made a nonCatholic discussion subforum and people get upset nonCatholic stuff is talked about over there.

So, no.

Can Feeneyism be discussed in the non-Catholic forum?

[Kaesekopf]

A Definition of Feeneyism and the Forum's Stance Toward It:
"Feeneyism" is characterized by three errors: a misrepresentation of the dogma "outside the Church there is no salvation", that the doctrine of baptism of desire (and of blood) is optional, and that the Council of Trent teaches that baptism of desire is sufficient for justification "but not for salvation."  These three errors run contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church. 

Feeneyism is forbidden on this forum and promoting one, two, or all three errors of Feeneyism is subject to moderation.  While Feeneyites are welcome to post here in all sub-fora, they are not permitted to promote, spread, or disseminate information promoting any of the errors of Feeneyism.  Any posts or posters who do so will be subject to moderation.

This is pretty clear.

No.

[Heinrich]

A Definition of Feeneyism and the Forum's Stance Toward It:
"Feeneyism" is characterized by three errors: a misrepresentation of the dogma "outside the Church there is no salvation", that the doctrine of baptism of desire (and of blood) is optional, and that the Council of Trent teaches that baptism of desire is sufficient for justification "but not for salvation."  These three errors run contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church. 

Feeneyism is forbidden on this forum and promoting one, two, or all three errors of Feeneyism is subject to moderation.  While Feeneyites are welcome to post here in all sub-fora, they are not permitted to promote, spread, or disseminate information promoting any of the errors of Feeneyism.  Any posts or posters who do so will be subject to moderation.

This is pretty clear.

No.

Why did you not take that stance against Vetus Ordo and his Islamaphilia?

[GiftOfGod]

A Definition of Feeneyism and the Forum's Stance Toward It:
"Feeneyism" is characterized by three errors: a misrepresentation of the dogma "outside the Church there is no salvation", that the doctrine of baptism of desire (and of blood) is optional, and that the Council of Trent teaches that baptism of desire is sufficient for justification "but not for salvation."  These three errors run contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church. 

Feeneyism is forbidden on this forum and promoting one, two, or all three errors of Feeneyism is subject to moderation.  While Feeneyites are welcome to post here in all sub-fora, they are not permitted to promote, spread, or disseminate information promoting any of the errors of Feeneyism.  Any posts or posters who do so will be subject to moderation.

This is pretty clear.

No.

So just because the Holy Office condemned Feeneyism, it's not able to be discussed on this forum? What about heliocentrism? That too was condemned by the Holy Office. I have noticed quite a few pro-"Orthodox" posts. That has been dogmatically condemned by Councils (which is higher than the Holy Office; the Holy Office is not infallible). Why is that permitted on this forum but not Feeneyism? Feeneyism has not been dogmatically condemned and there is actually Holy Scripture and Dogma to back it up.

[Kaesekopf]

So just because the Holy Office condemned Feeneyism, it's not able to be discussed on this forum? What about heliocentrism? That too was condemned by the Holy Office. I have noticed quite a few pro-"Orthodox" posts. That has been dogmatically condemned by Councils (which is higher than the Holy Office; the Holy Office is not infallible). Why is that permitted on this forum but not Feeneyism? Feeneyism has not been dogmatically condemned and there is actually Holy Scripture and Dogma to back it up.

Feeneyites, like geocentrists, typically come out, and then flood the posts with their favorite copypasta of whatever argument, and it goes on and on, and then one side is declared heretics thanks to some obscure, long-lost decree by some bishop or pope, and we just argue in circles.

[Mother Love Bone]

From the "Forum Rules": A Definition of Feeneyism and the Forum's Stance Toward It:
"Feeneyism" is characterized by three errors:[...], that the doctrine of baptism of desire (and of blood) is optional, and that the Council of Trent teaches that baptism of desire is sufficient for justification "but not for salvation."  These three errors run contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church.

"Feeneyism" doesn't teach that baptism of desire and blood is optional. It categorically rejects it.

Regarding desire mentioned in the Council of Trent, the book, Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent , is the actual Council of Trent - not a catechism based on it - but the actual written decrees, the actual record.

- Original text with English translation by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., from Refuge of Sinners Publishing

It explains that "baptism of desire" takes effect at the pouring of the water - at the sacrament itself.

Priest:  "N., do you wish to be baptized?"

N.:  "I do"

(or the Godparents for an infant)

- the catechumen has to indicate the will or wish to be baptized, then the sacrament's form and matter follow.

[diaduit]

'mother love bone'  'gift of God'.....dubious names!!

troll alert

[red solo cup]

I think there needs to be a rule against attacking another's "mental" state/character.  In an age of feminism, I guess there is no sting to being called cold hearted and the like, so trolls don't seem to attack in this way.  But, there is an endless number of attacks on the mental state.  Basically, I am in favor of forbidding the accusation that another member is "mentally ill" explicit(and maybe implicit).  It is getting very tired, but it still seems to be the go-to insult.  It just another behavior to add to the list of bad behaviors that are common place here on SD.  How are we going to attract quality members when cursing and slander is the norm?

I agree. Just yesterday, a poster insinuated with not basis that I was a homosexual and also said that I had Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It was wildly inappropriate and my ass is still chapped about it to the point that I'm considering leaving this place.

Stick around. Said poster was most likely projecting. You might also want to be a bit more judicious in word choice.

I wonder if those chaps are buttless.

[GiftOfGod]

'mother love bone'  'gift of God'.....dubious names!!

Just because "God be with you." is in a near-extinct language doesn't make it less dubious.

[Michael Wilson]

C.O.G. If you are really interested in debating about Feeneyism etc. You can join Catholicinfo here: https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php
they have a whole section just dedicated to this topic here: https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/

[GiftOfGod]

C.O.G. If you are really interested in debating about Feeneyism etc. You can join Catholicinfo here: https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php
they have a whole section just dedicated to this topic here: https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/

Thanks but I already know about that and mentioned it in this thread.

Another trad forum calls theirs the "Feeneyism Ghetto".

[Mother Love Bone]

'mother love bone'  'gift of God'.....dubious names!!

troll alert

Ad hominem fallacy. Try refuting my argument. Here it is, again:


"Feeneyism" doesn't teach that baptism of desire and blood is optional. It categorically rejects it.

Regarding desire mentioned in the Council of Trent, the book, Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent , is the actual Council of Trent - not a catechism based on it - but the actual written decrees, the actual record.

- Original text with English translation by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., from Refuge of Sinners Publishing

It explains that "baptism of desire" takes effect at the pouring of the water - at the sacrament itself.

Priest:  "N., do you wish to be baptized?"

N.:  "I do"

(or the Godparents for an infant)

- the catechumen has to indicate the will or wish to be baptized, then the sacrament's form and matter follow.

[Kaesekopf]

To make clear, the Feeneyite Question for this Forum has been definitively settled for over 5 years now. 

[GiftOfGod]

I agree. Just yesterday, a poster insinuated with not basis that I was a homosexual and also said that I had Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It was wildly inappropriate and my ass is still chapped about it to the point that I'm considering leaving this place.

Stick around. Said poster was most likely projecting. You might also want to be a bit more judicious in word choice.

I wonder if those chaps are buttless.

I had to look that up.

Your mind is in the gutter. Perhaps you've been hanging around the wrong crowd or the wrong web sites...

[Michael Wilson]

C.O.G. If you are really interested in debating about Feeneyism etc. You can join Catholicinfo here: https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php
they have a whole section just dedicated to this topic here: https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/

Thanks but I already know about that and mentioned it in this thread.

Another trad forum calls theirs the "Feeneyism Ghetto".

So what? They can call it what they want; you want an argument? Go argue over there. (Not that you are not welcome here).