Campaign Thread

[Miriam_M]

The church in the US is so messed up .....That of course goes for clergy too.

Yes, the American church has no identity because Rome lost it for them about 58 years ago.

If church leaders at all levels don't begin holding themselves and the laity accountable for this, what's the point in congregating with any of them? They don't share my beliefs.

They don't share the Church's beliefs.  (Who cares about your or my beliefs?)  There is one authentic set of beliefs.  If something does not conform to Catholic Tradition, it is not a Catholic belief.  The modern church, whether in America or in Italy, has no authority to create new beliefs. A baptized Catholic is bound to the authentic, long-standing, permanent beliefs of the faith, and is bound to reject everything else, no matter the costume of the person inventing and proclaiming such unapproved beliefs.

[Miriam_M]

And they'll get away with it precisely because it's so massive.

They haven't gotten away with it yet.  Follow Vigano's lead and continue with your battle rosary until Jan. 20th.  Until then, I expect a miracle.

Thank you.  I am going to do this and express my faith in Christ that the world is in His Hands, whatever happens. 

Fellow Catholics, please refrain from discouraging yourselves by reading too much news because you KNOW that 98% of it will make you & me extremely angry, which is bad for our souls, especially since we are impotent to do much concrete with that anger at the moment.  Do what you need to do for your mental health without getting "noticed" for doing it, if you know what I mean. We all need to become prayer warriors, as James says, and that includes praying for those in positions of power to exercise courage.

This is not about taking anything for granted, quite the opposite. But it is about refusing to despair. Even for those who don't believe in any kind of conspiracies, collusion, NWO's, etc., between now and Jan. 20 will be one kind of trial for our minds, hearts, and souls. After that will be other trials of unknown scope and type -- but most likely very challenging for trads, and thus opportune for the devil.  That's why we need to pray.  Faith can become fragile during such times of opposition and loneliness. 

In fact, no one has to believe in a single conspiracy theory to recognize collaboration for what it is.  This is why I posted Fr. Ripperger's suggested exorcism Prayer for lay people in the Intentions sub-forum.  My own opinion is that God has allowed Satan to get this far.  Without the scandalous cooperation with the State, from N.O. bishops, all throughout 2020 so far, I would be inclined to attribute the sequence of events to secular conspiracies alone -- or even coincidence.  But i.m.o. supernatural (demonic) forces are at play. Our bishops are so weak and have surrendered so fully to the State, that they are not even aware of how the devil has them in his unholy grip.  They didn't just reluctantly comply; they enthusiastically complied and outperformed the State in suppression of the Sacraments and in isolation of the Catholic community from one another.  That was and is evil, a sign of demonic ascendancy within the Church on even lower levels, not just within the hierarchy as we all have known about since V2.  The ease with which Satan achieved this is astonishing; the bishops acted in concert, without so much as a peep.

[christulsa]

The country deserves this for the sins of abortion, sodomy, divorce and remarriage, pornography, etc.  God is allowing this as part of the Chastisement.  It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns.  We still have to fight back in defense of the Faith, over this election Coup, but I don't expect a miracle by January 20th.  I'm praying for it.  But I don't expect it. 

I never expected Trump to win, which is why I took Greg up on his proposed bet.  To me that would be a second miracle (the 1st being his highly unexpected win in 2016), and we can't presume on God's mercy.  We can ask for it.  But every one of us on this forum will be persecuted going forward. 

[Lynne]

Does anyone remember the 2000 election? Three of the Republican lawyers involved in that legal battle were John Roberts, Brett Kavenaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett (they're all on the Supreme Court now).

[Miriam_M]

It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns. 

If there is a worse wave of lockdowns, then we will become an enormous Third World country with a ruling oligarchy; the economy will implode with greater consequence than before, within maybe a year, and certainly two if their oppressive medical "experts" keep asserting that it will be two years before a vaccine.  (And the Demos are such control freaks that I don't put it past them to continue lockdowns of particular regions -- by federal mandate -- until everyone in that region has been vaccinated, including infants.) Do the Democrats then intend to keep control of their power by suppressing the middle class over the next two years -- exponentially creating economic ruin, and then repeating the massive election fraud 4 years from now so that the populace can't vote them out?  And will the opposition remain acquiescent while they watch this evil unfold?

Chris, I do agree that we are being chastised, but I also believe that we have a moral duty to oppose grand theft (of an election), which violates justice. Abortion, sodomy, fornication, and pornography (and those who traffic in any of those) are grievous mortal sins which deserve national chastisement, but one of The Four Sins is oppression of the poor.  The latter doesn't just mean homeless people but those who struggle to make an honest and meager living and cannot do so with ordinary commerce and ordinary movement paralyzed and imprisoned.  I will tell you that during the lockdown in my State, and during the looting which followed and which affected very small businesses, I wept often when hearing the stories of people with struggling and destroyed businesses whose lives and spirits had been shattered. Someone needs to champion them.

I think that our priests have a mandate at this moment to provide the spiritual and moral guidance we need.

[Heinrich]

The country deserves this for the sins of abortion, sodomy, divorce and remarriage, pornography, etc.  God is allowing this as part of the Chastisement.  It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns.  We still have to fight back in defense of the Faith, over this election Coup, but I don't expect a miracle by January 20th.  I'm praying for it.  But I don't expect it. 

I never expected Trump to win, which is why I took Greg up on his proposed bet.  To me that would be a second miracle (the 1st being his highly unexpected win in 2016), and we can't presume on God's mercy.  We can ask for it.  But every one of us on this forum will be persecuted going forward.

You are preaching to the choir, ultratradman. But yes, you are right. I would be willing to bet 75% of Trump supporters did not go to any type of organized religious gathering today, but instead plowed the back fields, winterized the bass boat, and took the Harley for a spin(it is 70 degrees here in Indiana!

[Frank]

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

[Christe Eleison]

As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

Thank you, Sir! A million times this! ^^^

Yes, we have seen fraud in the past, but what has been done this time is out of control. I never agreed with the bet to begin with, but now it should be voided.

[Heinrich]

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

Is that Walty(the guy who used to moderate here)?

[james03]

The country deserves this for the sins of abortion, sodomy, divorce and remarriage, pornography, etc.  God is allowing this as part of the Chastisement.  It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns.  We still have to fight back in defense of the Faith, over this election Coup, but I don't expect a miracle by January 20th.  I'm praying for it.  But I don't expect it.

It was always going to end like this (though Florida was a pleasant surprise.)  I was hopeful for another 4 years to better prepare.  But you are correct, as the great philosopher said: "If God doesn't wipe us out, He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology".

Still, I will pray my battle rosary in union with +Vigano with confident expectation of a miracle until January 20th.

[james03]

Since Soros is following the Bezmenov plan, we know the next step is Crisis.  Which we are in.  They have to get to stabilization.  An aside, if we lose, Antifa and BLM are in for a big surprise during Stabilization.  There is one organization that has the complete list of the power structure of Antifa and BLM, including names and addresses, as well as the encryption keys for their encrypted messages. That is the Soros organization.  Which means that a year from now "hard nosed prosecutor" President Kamala will round them all up and give them 20 year sentences after they are no longer useful.  The revolutionaries are the first to get the bullet after the new regime takes power.  The regime is not interested in sheep who dutifully wear their muzzles and take their kids to Tranny Story Hour.  End of aside.

So Crisis will obviously be over the election.  This will eventually be settled by the military run by Esper, likely in January.  Hopefully Trump is aware of all of this.  Very dangerous times.  The fact that Trump went golfing is promising and a morale boost.

[awkwardcustomer]

As soon as Biden is inaugurated as the next US president, he will roll out Covid lockdowns and vaccine programmes across America.  Antifa/BLM will be asked to calm down and cooperate in order to defeat Covid, and they will, as instructed.  Biden has already called for a "lowering of the temperature".

Welcome to the NWO.  It's practically in place across the rest of the world and just needs the US to make it complete.

Bezmenov made his predictions on the basis of the traditional Marxist ideas he opposed.  But the NWO isn't Marxist, it's corporatist. 

[christulsa]

I have 3 questions.

1.  Did Greg really bet (lose) $5,000,000 on the election, as suggested, albeit light-heartedly, earlier in the thread?  I'm assuming not.  But he did fit the story.

2.  How can one become a Mountain Man?  Is there public land where you can live in the wild?  I bet downloads of Jeremiah Johnson have spiked since the Nov. 3rd.  Great movie.

3.  Any chance if Trump doesn't win through the legal appeal, that he continues Post 1/21 to act as President, while Biden is in the White House?  If so, he must, though that would trigger civil war of some kind.

[Graham]

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

Is that Walty(the guy who used to moderate here)?

As I remember, Walty was pretty skeptical about Trump, and I'd say his thinking and communication style is completely different from this guy's. Also, they look nothing alike. I too have experienced this minor delusion of thinking people I've encountered anonymously online are, against all odds, randomly turning up in real life. It did turn out to be true once, but usually it means I need a break from the internet. 

[james03]

Bezmenov made his predictions on the basis of the traditional Marxist ideas he opposed.  But the NWO isn't Marxist, it's corporatist.

Bezmenov was not making predictions.  He was telling us WHAT HE DID as a KGB officer.  And they weren't traditional Marxist ideas.  This was Cultural Marxism.  The traditional marxists jailed Gramsci because he rightly said the marxists had to defeat cultural hegemony before the revolution.

And even the traditional marxists were funded by globalist corporations.  Read about Trotsky's boat getting stopped in Canada with $1Billion aborad, given to him by the NY banks.  The Brits let him go, even though he was on his way to defeat the Brit's ally in WWI.

If your point is that there is a power behind the communist movement, and it is the NWO, you are correct.  Soros is the face of that.  He made Billions in Ukraine after the revolution there.