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There is about a month left before the election. Do we want to have a thread wherein we post debate comments, polling, videos, other data, etc. to keep us all informed?

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I'm game.

Only if it's one thread.  I don't want to see the forum drown in topics every time someone creates a new one on some new event in the news that are only going to garner one or two specific replies.

I can never watch Biden without thinking of Christopher Pike in that double length Star Trek episode.

(https://i.imgur.com/CzdXAs5.jpg)

Quote from: Heinrich on September 30, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
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This debate was painful to watch. The intellectual level of the conversation on both sides is, frankly, appalling. When you compare last night's dung show to the demeanor of past candidates like Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. or even Bill Clinton, you realize how desperately poor politics has become in general. It's a reflection of the degradation of society at large.

I think that Trump did very poorly. His style is too abrasive and interrupting Biden every 20 seconds is just bad strategy. Let Biden talk, the man can hang himself if you let him. But when you interrupt him left and right, most people switch off the conversation after 5 minutes. It's like we're back to the school yard, even with the childish insults thrown around. Trump has to up his game in the next debates if he wants to appeal to the undecided voters. The faithful bases on both sides are set and won't be convinced by anything, it's the undecided that matter.

The moderator was a third debater in his own right. He let Biden off the hook a few times but that's expected. It will only get worse from now on.

It was very distressing, although I suppose Trump was Trump.  I'm not a big watcher or reader of political debates, but I thought maybe I should go read the Lincoln/Douglas Debates (for Senate...) for relief from modern times getting worse.

Biden couldn't manage to be decently respectful to a President, and Chris Wallace couldn't control either candidate, and I think he was biased in favor of Biden.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/30/debate-fallout-moderator-chris-wallace-slammed-by-critics-and-fox-news-colleagues/

As the article also says, the Presidential Debate Commission is supposed to make some changes to the format to make the next debates more orderly, e.g. giving the moderator some control over the microphones.

I'm still voting for Trump, for better opinions and actions then the competition, even if not good manners and deep intellectual expression and understanding. Lincoln and Reagan are not candidates in 2020.

Although it was excruciating to watch the 90 minutes of the debate, we can say that in substance Trump won because in substance Trump's policies are saner than Biden's and he was at least able to articulate a couple of valid points on the topics of environment, law enforcement, racism, Covid-19 or healthcare. Biden couldn't articulate anything worth anyone's time and it was a shame Trump didn't let him speak more freely because he was just drowning every time he had to string two or more sentences together. He was able to contradict himself on the GND in just a matter of 10 seconds before being saved by Wallace.

In any case, Trump has to do better in the next few debates to win the votes of the undecided. Last night's approach was exhausting and no-one is going to want to watch another spectacle like that again.

Quote from: Vetus Ordo on September 30, 2020, 04:27:23 PM

Quote from: Heinrich on September 30, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
[yt]https://youtu.be/rClMcfYe0Ls[/yt]

This debate was painful to watch. The intellectual level of the conversation on both sides is, frankly, appalling. When you compare last night's dung show to the demeanor of past candidates like Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. or even Bill Clinton, you realize how desperately poor politics has become in general. It's a reflection of the degradation of society at large.

I think that Trump did very poorly. His style is too abrasive and interrupting Biden every 20 seconds is just bad strategy. Let Biden talk, the man can hang himself if you let him. But when you interrupt him left and right, most people switch off the conversation after 5 minutes. It's like we're back to the school yard, even with the childish insults thrown around. Trump has to up his game in the next debates if he wants to appeal to the undecided voters. The faithful bases on both sides are set and won't be convinced by anything, it's the undecided that matter.

The moderator was a third debater in his own right. He let Biden off the hook a few times but that's expected. It will only get worse from now on.

I'm sure it was painful to watch, that's why I would not.  They have all pretty much stunk, all the time.  Now I might be wrong, but I believe the first presidential debate in the "modern" era was 1976.  Ford vs Carter.  I'm pretty sure I am correct about that as it was touted as a big deal, being the first debate since Nixon vs Kennedy. 

Carter beat Ford with a KO punch, as they say, by informing Ford that yes, Poland was indeed a Communist country at the time.  Ford totally blew it as he insisted Poland was "free" since he had just visited in 1975.  And that was true, because I was there during his visit and saw his speech in the Square in Krakow and saw Betty entering the University of Krakow that day.  Total surprise to us that our President was following us on that trip.  But, I digress.

In the early '80s I was in college and even then we mocked the entire event.  They've turned the exchange of ideas and eloquent discourse into something worse than a bunch of loud mouths arguing sports at a bar. 

It's a complete disgrace and I refuse to watch anymore.  I know who I am going to vote for.  And I also am old enough to realize that my watching and rooting on my candidate will do nothing for the candidacy.  It will only give me more worry and indigestion.   

Trump & Melania have tested positive for COVID.

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Quote from: John Lamb on October 02, 2020, 01:33:05 AM
Trump & Melania have tested positive for COVID.

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Dumb video.  It is not as if the mask helps.  Nor is it as if I would believe Trump in the past to be honest about a positive test result or not.  To me this just means that Trump now has cover to more so get on board and further the plandemic onto its next stage.  Now he will be allowed to wear a mask like Biden and promote the muzzle to a greater degree, which his team has been doing.  My guess is that this is what will be the result of the Trumps testing positive.   I may be wrong, but I do not think that I am. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXGcZevEmh0

Quote from: Vetus Ordo on September 30, 2020, 04:27:23 PM

Quote from: Heinrich on September 30, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
[yt]https://youtu.be/rClMcfYe0Ls[/yt]

This debate was painful to watch. The intellectual level of the conversation on both sides is, frankly, appalling. When you compare last night's dung show to the demeanor of past candidates like Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. or even Bill Clinton, you realize how desperately poor politics has become in general. It's a reflection of the degradation of society at large.

I think that Trump did very poorly. His style is too abrasive and interrupting Biden every 20 seconds is just bad strategy. Let Biden talk, the man can hang himself if you let him. But when you interrupt him left and right, most people switch off the conversation after 5 minutes. It's like we're back to the school yard, even with the childish insults thrown around. Trump has to up his game in the next debates if he wants to appeal to the undecided voters. The faithful bases on both sides are set and won't be convinced by anything, it's the undecided that matter.

The moderator was a third debater in his own right. He let Biden off the hook a few times but that's expected. It will only get worse from now on.

I was surprised at Trump's approach as well; I was expecting him to use his humor to demolish Biden like he did with Hillary, but now that's he president alot of what's going on isn't humorous anymore, esp the riots and destruction and deaths.  I think he was honestly pissed off and what Biden and his cronies are saying and doing, and he just let it out.  Perhaps he will be "cooler" next debate not that he blew off the steam, and demonstrated and a weak old man Biden is to boot.

I liked his Proud Boys "stand back" and "stand by" comment.

I like the Proud Boys.  They a basically patriots who like a fight with commies.  I hope they crack some heads.

Yeah.  There are a few videos online showing the Proud Boys cracking some Antifa heads.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-rakes-biden-dont-sniff-my-hair

QuoteFormer Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway rakes Biden: 'Don't sniff my hair'
Conway also called out Biden for misquoting her regarding how riots and chaos will help President Trump's re-election chances.
Thu Oct 1, 2020

WASHINGTON D.C., October 1, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Kellyanne Conway, a former counselor to President Donald Trump, has accused Democratic presidential candidate and former vice president Joe Biden of lying while misquoting her comments that violence and riots in Democrat-run U.S. cities will prompt Americans to re-elect Trump, as well as referencing Biden's repeated history of sniffing women's hair.

"Thanks for debate shout-out, creepy/sleepy/weepy JOE, but you lied. And don't sniff my hair, either," Conway posted to social media platform Twitter.

Biden misquoted Conway during Tuesday night's presidential debate with Trump, as well as during a recent interview on MSNBC.
...

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Quote from: mikemac on October 02, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
I liked his Proud Boys "stand back" and "stand by" comment.

Trump asking Biden what police organizations support him was better, the silence truly was golden

Quote from: drummerboy on October 05, 2020, 11:59:13 AM

Quote from: mikemac on October 02, 2020, 09:41:08 AM
I liked his Proud Boys "stand back" and "stand by" comment.

Trump asking Biden what police organizations support him was better, the silence truly was golden

Yeah, that was good too.  Imagine though if you were a Proud Boy and heard Trump say "stand back" and "stand by" in the Presidential Debate.  Or imagine if a group of Proud Boys were watching the debate and heard Trump say that; they would have lost it.  You know "stand back" and "stand by" is the Proud Boys motto.

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Quote from: mikemac on October 05, 2020, 02:17:59 PM

Imagine though if you were a Proud Boy and heard Trump say "stand back" and "stand by" in the Presidential Debate.  Or imagine if a group of Proud Boys were watching the debate and heard Trump say that; they would have lost it.  You know "stand back" and "stand by" is the Proud Boys motto.

I've read in a number of places that they chose that motto only AFTER Trump used those words in the debate. E.g. check the date in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Proud_Boys_Trump_logo.jpeg#filehistory.

I don't think Trump handled the question on white supremacy well.  Why not just firmly denounce it yet again, but then angrily also denounce leftists pretending it does anywhere as much harm in the USA as the BLM and Antifa. He didn't have to ask for an example group.

I was sorry to read

QuoteSen. Tim Scott (S.C.), the only Black GOP senator [who spoke during the RNC convention], say Wednesday that President Trump should "correct" his comments from the first presidential debate, where he refused to condemn white supremacists.

"I think he misspoke in response to Chris Wallace's comment. ... I think he misspoke, I think he should correct it. If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak," Scott said, when asked by ABC News if he found Trump's remarks concerning.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/518936-tim-scott-trump-should-correct-his-debate-comments-on-white-supremacists

This is also interesting:

QuotePresident Donald Trump said Wednesday he is not familiar with the Proud Boys, the far-right group mentioned during Tuesday night's first presidential debate with Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

"I don't know who the Proud Boys are. I mean, you'll have to give me a definition, because I really don't know who they are," the president told reporters at the White House on Wednesday.

"Whoever they are, they have to stand down. Let law enforcement do their work," he added.

I wish he would have made this clear during the debate.

Trump doesn't always say the perfect things at the right time...  I hope that Tim Scott will realize this and not be swayed by the anti-Trump blacks and others who are attacking him.

Quote from: Non Nobis on October 05, 2020, 07:49:40 PM

Quote from: mikemac on October 05, 2020, 02:17:59 PM

Imagine though if you were a Proud Boy and heard Trump say "stand back" and "stand by" in the Presidential Debate.  Or imagine if a group of Proud Boys were watching the debate and heard Trump say that; they would have lost it.  You know "stand back" and "stand by" is the Proud Boys motto.

I've read in a number of places that they chose that motto only AFTER Trump used those words in the debate. E.g. check the date in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Proud_Boys_Trump_logo.jpeg#filehistory.

I don't think Trump handled the question on white supremacy well.  Why not just firmly denounce it yet again, but then angrily also denounce leftists pretending it does anywhere as much harm in the USA as the BLM and Antifa. He didn't have to ask for an example group.

I was sorry to read

QuoteSen. Tim Scott (S.C.), the only Black GOP senator [who spoke during the RNC convention], say Wednesday that President Trump should "correct" his comments from the first presidential debate, where he refused to condemn white supremacists.

"I think he misspoke in response to Chris Wallace's comment. ... I think he misspoke, I think he should correct it. If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak," Scott said, when asked by ABC News if he found Trump's remarks concerning.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/518936-tim-scott-trump-should-correct-his-debate-comments-on-white-supremacists

This is also interesting:

QuotePresident Donald Trump said Wednesday he is not familiar with the Proud Boys, the far-right group mentioned during Tuesday night's first presidential debate with Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

"I don't know who the Proud Boys are. I mean, you'll have to give me a definition, because I really don't know who they are," the president told reporters at the White House on Wednesday.

"Whoever they are, they have to stand down. Let law enforcement do their work," he added.

I wish he would have made this clear during the debate.

Trump doesn't always say the perfect things at the right time...  I hope that Tim Scott will realize this and not be swayed by the anti-Trump blacks and others who are attacking him.

It was a trap question; Trump knew that and refused to play along.  Anyone with the internet can look up how Trump has denounced white supremacists, there is no need to repeat it.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-win-2020-lawn-slide-jimmy-failla

Whats this about

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313551795646541824

Not signing in a stimulus package!

Trump is finally declassifying the killary emails!
:cheeseheadbeer:

Quote from: Non Nobis on October 05, 2020, 07:49:40 PM

Quote from: mikemac on October 05, 2020, 02:17:59 PM

Imagine though if you were a Proud Boy and heard Trump say "stand back" and "stand by" in the Presidential Debate.  Or imagine if a group of Proud Boys were watching the debate and heard Trump say that; they would have lost it.  You know "stand back" and "stand by" is the Proud Boys motto.

I've read in a number of places that they chose that motto only AFTER Trump used those words in the debate. E.g. check the date in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Proud_Boys_Trump_logo.jpeg#filehistory.

I don't think Trump handled the question on white supremacy well.  Why not just firmly denounce it yet again, but then angrily also denounce leftists pretending it does anywhere as much harm in the USA as the BLM and Antifa. He didn't have to ask for an example group.

I was sorry to read

QuoteSen. Tim Scott (S.C.), the only Black GOP senator [who spoke during the RNC convention], say Wednesday that President Trump should "correct" his comments from the first presidential debate, where he refused to condemn white supremacists.

"I think he misspoke in response to Chris Wallace's comment. ... I think he misspoke, I think he should correct it. If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak," Scott said, when asked by ABC News if he found Trump's remarks concerning.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/518936-tim-scott-trump-should-correct-his-debate-comments-on-white-supremacists

This is also interesting:

QuotePresident Donald Trump said Wednesday he is not familiar with the Proud Boys, the far-right group mentioned during Tuesday night's first presidential debate with Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

"I don't know who the Proud Boys are. I mean, you'll have to give me a definition, because I really don't know who they are," the president told reporters at the White House on Wednesday.

"Whoever they are, they have to stand down. Let law enforcement do their work," he added.

I wish he would have made this clear during the debate.

Trump doesn't always say the perfect things at the right time...  I hope that Tim Scott will realize this and not be swayed by the anti-Trump blacks and others who are attacking him.

The Proud Boys are not white supremacists, they are patriots.  Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't in Kenosha as a white supremacist.  Yeah I guess it's possible that motto came after the fact.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/article246260870.html

KC Bishop suggests Catholics vote for Trump

Lay Catholic disagrees.

Well you have to admit. He's spot on about the pope.

Quote from: Heinrich on October 06, 2020, 07:47:22 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-win-2020-lawn-slide-jimmy-failla

Exactly what I see here in central WI, just like 2016 but even more signs.

Quote from: Frank on October 07, 2020, 07:33:06 AM
Well you have to admit. He's spot on about the pope.

The writer or the bishop?

By the way, everyone, I believe Comments to the article are open if anyone wants to contribute.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 07, 2020, 12:10:01 PM

Quote from: Frank on October 07, 2020, 07:33:06 AM
Well you have to admit. He's spot on about the pope.

The writer or the bishop?

By the way, everyone, I believe Comments to the article are open if anyone wants to contribute.

The writer, not the bishop who falls over backward trying to present the pope as orthodox.

I am in the far Northeast right now(along the coast). From Massachusetts to just north of Portland, ME,  I would say the signs run 5 - 1 in favor of Biden.

A mega Tsunami would certainly change the politics of America.

Or a huge 9.0 earthquake on the left coast.

The very fact that the Democratic-friendly (partisan) debate commission peremptorily decided the morning after the VP debates that the next debate would be virtual tells you that the perception is that Pence won the VP debate.  Second sign that he won was the near-blackout of news about it on Thursday. The leftist media would only have written about it if it were at least a tie in their eyes.

Thus, this puts the stakes higher for the third debate, which is why the Commission (the front for the Biden campaign) wants to make it easy for Biden.  I'm glad Trump is resisting the idea.

I should have added the third and fourth signs:

Sign 3:
Communist News Network's and MSDNC's  on-air total meltdown on Thursday about that same VP debate -- pulling out all the stops on gender and race and crying "unfair."

Sign 4:
Evil, evil "25th Amendment" meltdown by Pelosi on Thursday, reflecting just over-the-top anger after the debate.

The sign that the Dems see that they're losing some of the black vote is that they enlisted Michelle Obama earlier in the week, to cry phony "racism" when the riots have in fact been black-on-white racism.

Polling, polling, and then polling:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/poll-which-correctly-called-2016-election-sees-another-shocking-outcome-november

Pence was excellent against Harris.

Even the liberal media had to acknowledge it. The only thing they threw at him were pathetic charges of "mansplaining." When that's all you got, that means defeat.

On Laura Ingraham tonight, she brought up the possibility that the 25th Amendment nuttiness (i.e., Nancy Pelosi's plot) might be less about Trump and more about Harris taking over for Biden.  I agree that that is more logical, given Biden's obvious cognitive devolution. The whole thing is nefarious anyway, and even liberals are reacting to it negatively, by the way, but I wouldn't put it past the Dems to engineer something like this as a grab for power for the hard left.

Another video by Fr. Altman.

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Trump Rush interview from Saturday.

https://youtu.be/-9-t3X9DRFA

These Models Predicted Trump's Victory in 2016; Here's What They Say for 2020

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:02-8T8BExGIJ:https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/these-models-predicted-trumps-victory-in-2016-heres-what-they-say-for-2020_3533139.html&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1&vwsrc=0

The market is currently predicting that it is 50/50 (evens) bet that Biden will beat trump even if trump has a 100 electoral college votes handicap.  That is completely crackers.  Biden would have to do a 170 electoral college vote swing (i.e. the 70 odd behind that Hilary was + another 100).

This effectively means you can have a free bet on Trump (by hedging the possibility that trump does not lose by more than 100).

Does anybody on this forum think that Biden will win with a majority of over 100 electoral college votes.

(I am particularly interested in anybody (boots on the ground) in the swing states: Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota etc..)

My hypothesis is that they know Trump will win and will win bigly.

They cannot admit they will lose without the democrats breaking up into centre left and Bernie/AOC commies and then losing all power and cutting everyone adrift, so they have conspired to sell a Biden is leading in the polls narrative which the media and big tech are backing with everything they have.  It is possible for Media and Big Tech to conspire like this because they are controlled by leftists and managed at the senior level by leftists.  It does not require THAT many people to know what the plan is.

Then when Trump wins, they challenge and try to cause as much chaos as possible by saying he cheated.  The leftists and never Trumpers will believe this because of the lies they have been told over the past 4 years.  They are pot committed at this stage so whatever screwball idea they come up with about how Trump was helped by Japan, or Russia or Iceland the people who hate Trump will latch onto it.

I've watched a dozen Biden and Harris rallies as well as Biden/Harris together rallies where next to zero people showed up other than a few journalists and the rally support staff.  This makes absolutely no sense to me why they would do this.  If there is a virus why show up at all.  Why waste the time and fly on an aeroplane when there are ZERO supporters there and you are stressing to anyone watching the video that there is a HUGE enthusiasm gap between Trump supporters and Biden Supporters.

If anyone has seen any sort of Rally with more than 1000 people showing support for Biden Harris over the past 3 months I would be interested.  The data is heavily manipulated now.  The October 9th Rush Limbaugh full interview with Trump for example which was reported to have 50 million listeners, only has a 1000 or so views over the weekend on YouTube.  This makes no sense as there must be at least 1 million people who missed it or live overseas and wanted to hear what Donald Trump had to say in a 2 hour interview.

There must be at least 500 million to 1 billion non Americans in the world who like Trump and want to hear what he has to say.  How is it possible that they did not listen to the full 2 hour recording on YouTube when that is the man platform for hearing any media?

Quote from: Greg on October 12, 2020, 06:22:22 AM
My hypothesis is that they know Trump will win and will win bigly.

They cannot admit they will lose without the democrats breaking up into centre left and Bernie/AOC commies and then losing all power and cutting everyone adrift, so they have conspired to sell a Biden is leading in the polls narrative which the media and big tech are backing with everything they have.  It is possible for Media and Big Tech to conspire like this because they are controlled by leftists and managed at the senior level by leftists.  It does not require THAT many people to know what the plan is.

Then when Trump wins, they challenge and try to cause as much chaos as possible by saying he cheated.  The leftists and never Trumpers will believe this because of the lies they have been told over the past 4 years.  They are pot committed at this stage so whatever screwball idea they come up with about how Trump was helped by Japan, or Russia or Iceland the people who hate Trump will latch onto it.

I've watched a dozen Biden and Harris rallies as well as Biden/Harris together rallies where next to zero people showed up other than a few journalists and the rally support staff.  This makes absolutely no sense to me why they would do this.  If there is a virus why show up at all.  Why waste the time and fly on an aeroplane when there are ZERO supporters there and you are stressing to anyone watching the video that there is a HUGE enthusiasm gap between Trump supporters and Biden Supporters.

If anyone has seen any sort of Rally with more than 1000 people showing support for Biden Harris over the past 3 months I would be interested. The data is heavily manipulated now.  The October 9th Rush Limbaugh full interview with Trump for example which was reported to have 50 million listeners, only has a 1000 or so views over the weekend on YouTube.  This makes no sense as there must be at least 1 million people who missed it or live overseas and wanted to hear what Donald Trump had to say in a 2 hour interview.

There must be at least 500 million to 1 billion non Americans in the world who like Trump and want to hear what he has to say.  How is it possible that they did not listen to the full 2 hour recording on YouTube when that is the man platform for hearing any media?

When Biden came to Manitowoc, WI there were more Trump supporters there to "greet" him than Biden supporters, and alot of workers at the aluminum mill he spoke at called in "sick," and for Manitowoc being historically a strong democratic town (which is why Obama visited it in 2012) that's just classy.  The working class is getting wise to the same tired talking points - read lies - of the Dems.

Quote from: paul14 on October 12, 2020, 05:58:29 AM
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(I am particularly interested in anybody (boots on the ground) in the swing states: Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota etc..)

I obviously don't have boots on the ground but it looks like there are a pile of Latinos coming out for Trump in Florida.

Thousands of Cubans and 'Latinos for Trump' hold a massive anti-communist caravan in Miami to 'liberate the US from socialist ideology' - as NBC poll finds Florida's Hispanic community is split between the two nominees
Various reports estimate somewhere between 20,000 to 30,000 cars in attendance for the caravan
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8827277/Thousands-Cubans-Latinos-Trump-hold-massive-anti-communist-caravan-Miami.html

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfsCn4NYY8[/yt]

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN7Mk4heg_c[/yt]

I am watching the Sanford, Florida rally live.

https://youtu.be/H13ov-O3ld4

Go to 4 hours, 24 mins.

We love you, we love you, we love you.

And you're gonna love me even more....

I woke my wife up with laughter.  She thought I was choking.

Courageous Priest Speaks The TRUTH About Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

https://anticatholicticket.com/archives/1510

Our President just said Our Lord is in charge, and that is Winning!

Kamala Harris pauses campaign traveling for 3 weeks due to staffers testing positive for the Covid, perfect timing, that takes us to election day.  And Elizabeth Warren, of all people, made a trip to WI to campaign for Biden; they must be desperate if they sent Pocahontas here.

Today, Friday, Biden campaign acknowledges that some in his campaign are overconfident, given likely inaccurate polling.  ('We're not ahead by double digits.')

https://youtu.be/9LuSpHJNPe0


Let's see what effect this has on the election.

Incredible stuff.

Look at the size of this crowd.

Huge. Absolutely massive.

https://youtu.be/9o-NCV6REqs

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 17, 2020, 12:32:50 AM
Today, Friday, Biden campaign acknowledges that some in his campaign are overconfident, given likely inaccurate polling.  ('We're not ahead by double digits.')

Things do not look good at all for Dems, to try to sum up:

- A weak old man with failing mental abilities is your candidate
- A VP pick who was never popular in the primaries and has now stopped campaigning
- Said candidate barely campaigns and cannot draw crowds or enthusiasm
- Your opponent is the energizer bunny who draws massive crowds and enthusiasim, gets the Covid and eats it up
- Your candidate refuses flat out to answer questions about packing the supreme court, concerning swing voters
- And your candidate has been racketeering for his son when VP, which scandal just exploded ala' October surprise

And a personal note, a recall petition is underway for the Dem gov of a swing state which went to Trump in 2016.

Things don't look good for Americans in general and American Catholics in particular.

Both candidates are a disaster.

Moloch (Biden) vs Mammon (Trump)

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for either.

Anyone who doesn't vote for Trump at this stage deserves to die in a Chinese gulag.  The Democrats are dirty as Hell.  Trump is an angel in comparison.

Watch the latest Michael Matt video.

Quote from: Greg on October 17, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Anyone who doesn't vote for Trump at this stage deserves to die in a Chinese gulag.  The Democrats are dirty as Hell.  Trump is an angel in comparison.

Watch the latest Michael Matt video.

Committing what is evil to ward off a greater evil is not an acceptable compromise in Traditional Catholic Moral Theology.

Both candidates are corrupt and immoral to the bone.

Edit: The principle of double effect does not seem to apply in this case.

You're on ignore.  No time to waste reading posts from pathetic wimps.

The Trump Michigan rally, just having ended, was electric. LOL, I'm starting to suspect that the entire lockdown House Arrest conspiracy of the Left had in mind Biden's flat affect on the campaign trail, compared to Trump's energy.  Didn't work, did it, Dems?  (Well, we'll see on Nov. 4, anyway. I hope my birthday isn't miserable this year.)  In any case, Trump can't be contained, "distanced," or masked.

Then, on Fox, a former Bush campaign advisor mentioned an important point about all these "national" polls showing "double-digit" leads for Biden:  A large number of them are concentrated in CA, NY, and IL.  And the same advisor reminded the audience that Trump lost the popular in '16, yet won the electoral.  He predicted that Trump would lose the popular again this year.  I haven't summed up the population of the heavily blue states, but that's entirely possible.

Not all celebrities are stupid, by the way. 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jon-voight-biden-evil-trump-win-2020-election

James Woods is good too.

Quote from: Greg on October 17, 2020, 06:08:24 PM
James Woods is good too.

I'll check him out.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 17, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Not all celebrities are stupid, by the way. 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jon-voight-biden-evil-trump-win-2020-election

That's why he was so good at character acting Deep State Blackwater type bad guys.
His first words:  ""Biden is evil. 
Ain't that the truth.

Quote from: Greg on October 17, 2020, 02:17:56 PM
You're on ignore.  No time to waste reading posts from pathetic wimps.

Really hit a nerve there, it seems.

Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 17, 2020, 01:48:34 PMCommitting what is evil to ward off a greater evil is not an acceptable compromise in Traditional Catholic Moral Theology.

Both candidates are corrupt and immoral to the bone.

Edit: The principle of double effect does not seem to apply in this case.

I don't know what to say about running a state and morality. If one knows anything about history, one knows that sometimes it is necessary to throw people out of helicopters to keep the King's peace. The state has the authority of the sword and has the right to use it. And if the state does not use the sword, the devil's men will and overthrow the state and turn the country into a shithole.

https://www.wsaw.com/video/2020/10/18/recall-evers-petition-nearing-deadline/

Slightly off-topic, but this is the first bit on the news I've heard of the Evers recall effort.  I find it hard to believe we won't get the necessary signatures, Evers is already started putting out ads touting his "leadership" during the "covid crisis," so he's obviously sh$#*ing bricks, if it comes to an election he is finished.  With all this I will be shocked if WI goes to Biden.  And all this with no help whatsoever from the Republican party (although Trump did give Duffy, who along with form Lt. Gov Kleefisch, would be the likely ticket, a reference to what a great governor he would make when visiting Central WI), they just sit on the sidelines, a true grassroots effort.

OK, now I am starting to worry.  Huge turnout at Biden counterprotest. 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGRQ62Z1GgE

Quote from: Greg on October 20, 2020, 05:23:34 PM
OK, now I am starting to worry.  Huge turnout at Biden rally. 8)

Yeah, Trump supporters.   ;D

Trump campaigned in California

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6KDh4r8R-0

Quote from: Greg on October 21, 2020, 04:32:58 AM
Trump campaigned in California

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6KDh4r8R-0

I've heard, based on a poll, so this is highly arguable, but with the mass exodus from NYC, NY state could be up for grabs as well.

Can any of the Trump election win doubters please tell me why they expect Trump to loose?  I myself am cautiously optimistic he will win, while having full faith in the stupidity of the masses to deliver a Biden win.  However, all the indications point to this being a repeat of 2016, although more in Trump's favor in 2020.  A few weeks ago I was expecting a Trump defeat, but the more I read and hear, even the Democrats seem to be expecting a crushing defeat.  The only thing Biden has in his favor is the media, the establishment, and the usual Dem states, which is nothing to be sneezed at in any election, but it didn't do Hillary any good. 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=350524406214941

This is the Trump version of the 60 mins interview.  Released unedited.

Quote from: drummerboy on October 22, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Can any of the Trump election win doubters please tell me why they expect Trump to loose?  I myself am cautiously optimistic he will win, while having full faith in the stupidity of the masses to deliver a Biden win.  However, all the indications point to this being a repeat of 2016, although more in Trump's favor in 2020. 

1. RealClearPolitics' polls, and the most independent polls, seem to point to a probable loss. For what they are worth.

2. This country is worse spiritually/morally/culturally despite Trump's 2016 election.  Conservatives are stronger, but the mainstream has slid deeper into the abyss.   We don't deserve a second miracle, imo, maybe God thinks we do.  My sense is we can expect more chastisement in light of the "pandemic"/economic crisis, and a Trump loss fits that.

3. I pray this is wrong of course, but what evidence is there that Trump will probably win??  Besides wishful thinking. 

4.  The only factor I can think in favor of Trump is those Trump supporters in the "silent majority" who refused to participate in the polls, who will still vote for Trump, especially in the swing states to win the electoral college.

Biden is clearly taking bribes from China and you have the testimony of several people against him.  This will blow wide open before the election.  Then this weekend we see the child perversion. Come election day far fewer will vote for creepy sleazy Joe.

https://youtu.be/EqeO0ODwYCA


Watch this.  This is the man on the debate tonight.

https://youtu.be/V4PLSPvJ9BY


https://youtu.be/mjqahL92kCw

Both candidates are filth.

So? Trump is gonna be gone in four years and has worked more with us than anybody else in decades. I didn't support him at first, still not sure if he's completely trustworthy, but it'd be stupid to not vote for him after seeing his 1st term.

Quote from: dellery on October 22, 2020, 07:24:31 PM
So? Trump is gonna be gone in four years and has worked more with us than anybody else in decades. I didn't support him at first, still not sure if he's completely trustworthy, but it'd be stupid to not vote for him after seeing his 1st term.

I would be a fool to not see that Trump is better than Biden for Catholics, but morally speaking, I cannot vote for or endorse either. Moloch vs Mammon

Sleepy Joe is getting drubbed in this debate. His brain is melting on live tv.

Trump clearly won.  More presidential/level-headed this time, tough on Hunter-gate.   But not like he needed to be, compared to how he came back in the second debate against Hillary.  He should have come down like a hammer on Biden taking illegal $ through Hunter, citing the evidence from the laptop.

Wow, Biden just said he would shut down the oil industry. And idiots think Texas is going blue? He is getting clobbered and scoring own goals left and right.

What did people here think of Biden's frequent laughing at Trump?  I found it disrespectful and thought it not a good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrEh9_5_9I

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 22, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
What did people here think of Biden's frequent laughing at Trump?  I found it disrespectful and thought it not a good idea.

This has long been his "go to" weapon for covering his own ignorance, and it has never looked good on him. It's condescending, adolescent, and very telling. You'd have to be a die-hard Joe fan or very childish to think it works for him.

Quote from: christulsa on October 22, 2020, 03:24:19 PM

Quote from: drummerboy on October 22, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Can any of the Trump election win doubters please tell me why they expect Trump to loose?  I myself am cautiously optimistic he will win, while having full faith in the stupidity of the masses to deliver a Biden win.  However, all the indications point to this being a repeat of 2016, although more in Trump's favor in 2020. 

1. RealClearPolitics' polls, and the most independent polls, seem to point to a probable loss. For what they are worth.

2. This country is worse spiritually/morally/culturally despite Trump's 2016 election.  Conservatives are stronger, but the mainstream has slid deeper into the abyss.   We don't deserve a second miracle, imo, maybe God thinks we do.  My sense is we can expect more chastisement in light of the "pandemic"/economic crisis, and a Trump loss fits that.

3. I pray this is wrong of course, but what evidence is there that Trump will probably win??  Besides wishful thinking. 

4.  The only factor I can think in favor of Trump is those Trump supporters in the "silent majority" who refused to participate in the polls, who will still vote for Trump, especially in the swing states to win the electoral college.

Thank you.  The polls are somewhat concerning, but then again not.  The polls, as far as I know, measure what would be the popular vote, and Trump did not gain that in 16' but won through electoral votes, so its reasonable to expect Biden with a slight lead.  Also, the few polls that did predict a Trump in 16' are again predicting a Trump win.  But yes, polls can be wrong.

Quote from: Reader on October 23, 2020, 05:12:22 AM

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 22, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
What did people here think of Biden's frequent laughing at Trump?  I found it disrespectful and thought it not a good idea.

This has long been his "go to" weapon for covering his own ignorance, and it has never looked good on him. It's condescending, adolescent, and very telling. You'd have to be a die-hard Joe fan or very childish to think it works for him.

Kamala was far worse in the VP debate.  Joe "the big guy" Biden also has to play tough to appear stronger than Trump, hence the anomaly of a candidate for office habitually insulting his would be voter base.

I personally loved Trump pressing the question of "who built the cages Joe?"  Biden's silence does not help either

I was hoping Hunter's laptop was stressed more than it was in the debate.  The moderator tried to overlook it as if Trump was lying.  And the media is saying there was lots of lying in the debate.  Has there been a formal investigation started by any police force on Hunter's laptop?  If not there needs to be one started right now.

Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 22, 2020, 07:06:19 PM
https://youtu.be/V4PLSPvJ9BY

Pretty damning.  Any other evidence to suggest Biden is a pedophile?  If so, that would be thread worthy.  10 days to go.

More degeneracy.

https://youtu.be/r2LDd-tH0I4

No graphics but contains descriptions of his pedo antics.

Quote from: christulsa on October 23, 2020, 03:09:56 PM

Quote from: Sin of Adam on October 22, 2020, 07:06:19 PM
https://youtu.be/V4PLSPvJ9BY

Pretty damning.  Any other evidence to suggest Biden is a pedophile?  If so, that would be thread worthy.  10 days to go.

10 days until you leave again for good until next month?

Quote from: Greg on October 24, 2020, 07:56:11 AM
More degeneracy.

https://youtu.be/r2LDd-tH0I4

No graphics but contains descriptions of his pedo antics.

His own niece?!!  :ack:

https://youtu.be/yqf1FHLIO_I

3 Catholic nuns in habits saying the Rosary behind Trump.

Quote from: Greg on October 24, 2020, 05:48:36 PM

3 Catholic nuns in habits saying the Rosary behind Trump.

I wonder if those were the same two women Religious in black Maga masks right I saw right behind him.  (The clip is not returning to its starting point yet.)

Anyway, I loved it when I watched it live.

Maverick pollster Robert Cahaly has honed techniques for finding Trump voters veiled by "social-desirability bias."

The Trafalgar Group, a Georgia-based polling firm known for its ability to correctly sample hard-to-reach, conservative Trump voters, shows President Trump with leads in the key battleground states of North Carolina, Florida and Michigan.

During the 2016 presidential race — widely predicted wrong by the mainstream polling establishment —the Trafalgar Group was the only pollster within the RealClearPolitics polling aggregator to show candidate Donald Trump defeating rival Hillary Clinton in Michigan. Their polls in 2016 also showed Donald Trump winning Pennsylvania — again, they were nearly alone in projecting Trump's narrow victory there — and thus taking the White House.

RealClearPolitics founder and president Tom Bevan recently praised the accuracy of Trafalgar's chief pollster Robert Cahaly's prognosticating abilities.
"Cahaly's success continued in 2018, most conspicuously in Florida," Bevan wrote. "He was one of the few pollsters whose data showed Ron DeSantis beating Andrew Gillum in the Florida gubernatorial race and Rick Scott besting incumbent Democrat Bill Nelson in the Senate race. Cahaly's firm, the Trafalgar Group, has emerged from the last two political cycles as one of the most accurate polling operations in America."

Cahaly last week posted a North Carolina poll showing Trump with a slight lead over Biden, though most other pollsters in the RCP average had Biden ahead.

What is driving Trafalgar's sixth sense? Cahaly has spoken publicly about what he calls "hidden" Trump voters, who face what he calls a "social-desirability bias," where conservative and independent Trump voters feel marginalized and fearful about expressing their support for the president due to social stigma in media and social media. Cahaly told RealClearPolitics this bias in 2020 is "worse than it was four years ago."

Even Trump's harshest opponents say there's likely truth to this supposition about "shy" Trump voters.
"It is historically difficult to defeat an incumbent president, No. 1," Steve Schmidt, a vocal Trump critic from the Lincoln Project and former campaign adviser to the late John McCain, told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. "I suspect that there is at least a point or two of undercount for Trump voters."
Cahaly has honed several techniques for capturing this "shy" Trump vote, including asking respondents not only how they themselves will vote, but also how they think their neighbors plan to vote. Cahaly's rationale is this gives these more guarded voters a more socially acceptable method for expressing their own feelings, by projecting them onto others.

"I grew up in the South, and everybody is very polite down here, and if you want to find out the truth on a hot topic, you can't just ask the question directly," Cahaly told POLITICO Magazine. "So, the neighbor is part of the mechanism to get that real answer. In the 11 battleground states, and 3 non-battleground, there was a significant drop-off between the ballot test question [which candidate you support] and the neighbors' question [which candidate you believe most of your neighbors support]. The neighbors question result showed a similar result in each state: Hillary dropped [relative to the ballot test question] and Trump comes up across every demographic, every geography. Hillary's drop was between 3 and 11 percent while Trump's increase was between 3 and 7 percent. This pattern existed everywhere from Pennsylvania to Nevada to Utah to Georgia, and it was a constant."

Cahaly said his team also noticed over time during the 2016 GOP primary that automated "push-button" polls — those done by machine instead of a live, human caller — were more precise at capturing Trump supporters, another possible indicator of "social-desirability bias."

"Every single time we polled in the primary, the push-button said 4.5 points better for Trump," Cahaly also told POLITICO. "And obviously, we didn't know until the primary election that the push-button would always be right. The push-button had a much wider universe and it was right. In every single one of those situations, it was more accurate. I mean, it was the most accurate poll in South Carolina, most accurate poll in Georgia, second-most accurate in Florida, and we noticed the pattern. And so, we took what we learned in the primary and we put that information in the general election balloting."

On Twitter, Cahaly routinely goes after mainstream media and polling companies for either criticizing Trafalgar results or lagging far behind Trafalgar in spotting trends that Cahaly's team identified long before.
Cahaly recently challenged prominent pollster Nate Silver of 538 (which currently grades Trafalgar's methodology a C+) to a bet on the accuracy of each man's presidential polling outcome accuracy. Cahaly's comments came after Silver said, "I would not bet" on Trafalgar "being right this year."

Last month, Trafalgar polling showing Trump within a half-percentage point of Biden in Minnesota and ahead by about one point in Wisconsin and Michigan. When the Michigan poll was released, Cahaly Tweeted: "Doubt what we @trafalgar_group say about #MI #Elections2020 at your own peril. History is not on your side."

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/trafalgar-group-pollsters-find-hard-reach-trump-voters-shows-potus-ahead

https://www.childrenofmary.net/news/

This is the order of nuns.

Quote from: Greg on October 25, 2020, 01:10:25 AM
https://www.childrenofmary.net/news/

This is the order of nuns.

I'm pretty sure the ones I saw were wearing different habits.

No, the ones at yesterday's rally in OH were wearing exactly those habits.  They are located in Newark, OH

Quote from: Greg on October 25, 2020, 09:24:25 AM
No, the ones at yesterday's rally in OH were wearing exactly those habits.  They are located in Newark, OH

There were three rallies yesterday.  Might have been a different one. 

I watched all three.  I am a Trump fan.

The Ohio one had three nuns behind Trump holding Rosaries and a Bible.

OK.  You've convinced me. 

Never yet have I met such a Trump fan outside of the U.S.
;D

The Trump caravan in Cincinnati was so big it stopped traffic on the north end of I275 heading west. Eastbound had one going, along with people on the overpasses. One guy was dressed like Trump and doing that dance. Good times!

VP candidate apparently breaking the law. But that's OK. She's a woman of color.

https://twitter.com/MiskwahyaAgwamo/status/1320356332726374400

Quote from: Greg on October 22, 2020, 05:16:51 PM
Biden is clearly taking bribes from China and you have the testimony of several people against him.  This will blow wide open before the election.  Then this weekend we see the child perversion. Come election day far fewer will vote for creepy sleazy Joe.

Better happen soon.

I would rather read Greg's postings on the election than any of the media's; he's more perceptive and accurate than them.

No implication to the contrary.  Every poster's predictions are worth more than the media's.

The point is more needs to come out in the next 7 days, if the premise is true that a Trump win hinges on that. 

But it hasn't yet as wishfully predicted.  I'll bet it doesn't.

I predict that you'll say you'll leave forever again(with peppered expletives) and then come back within a fortnight. I'll bet on that. 

Quote from: Greg on October 25, 2020, 01:10:25 AM
https://www.childrenofmary.net/news/

This is the order of nuns.

Yeah you can see the three nuns in the purple and white habits at around 38 minutes into the video.  The sweethearts; they are getting right into the rally too.  The middle one is holding up a Bible.  The rally is at Circleville, Ohio, not far from Newark, Ohio where the nuns are from.  Those Trump rallies look like a lot of fun.

Quote from: Greg on October 24, 2020, 05:48:36 PM
https://youtu.be/yqf1FHLIO_I

3 Catholic nuns in habits saying the Rosary behind Trump.

Quote from: mikemac on October 25, 2020, 06:14:47 PM

Yeah you can see the three nuns in the purple and white habits at around 38 minutes into the video.     

Then there's something wrong with the color on my TV set, because the 2 (not 3) nuns I saw had very dark, definitely not purple, habits.  Theirs were dark blue or black.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 25, 2020, 06:24:03 PM

Quote from: mikemac on October 25, 2020, 06:14:47 PM

Yeah you can see the three nuns in the purple and white habits at around 38 minutes into the video.     

Then there's something wrong with the color on my TV set, because the 2 (not 3) nuns I saw had very dark, definitely not purple, habits.  Theirs were dark blue or black.

Maybe a different rally??

Quote from: Heinrich on October 25, 2020, 05:12:51 PM
I predict that you'll say you'll leave forever again(with peppered expletives) and then come back within a fortnight. I'll bet on that.

That or you and I bury the hatchet, H.  We had some differences in what a couple threads several months ago, but don't you think we can put that pettiness behind us?  I can.   We're on the same team. If you can't, you can name the terms of the bet.

But yes if I lose the bet I won't post for 4 years per the terms. Wilson is moderating the outcome.

Massive Jewish Support for Trump in New York. Caravan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uS7pyHfgZc&feature=emb_logo

:cheeseheadbeer:

:pray1:

Massive Jewish parade has take place in the streets with vehicles to support Trump this morning.

Also, this Sunday, at least four pro-Trump rallies are being organized in Orthodox Jewish communities across the New York area this Sunday.

Quote from: mikemac on October 25, 2020, 06:14:47 PM

Quote from: Greg on October 25, 2020, 01:10:25 AM
https://www.childrenofmary.net/news/

This is the order of nuns.

Yeah you can see the three nuns in the purple and white habits at around 38 minutes into the video.  The sweethearts; they are getting right into the rally too.  The middle one is holding up a Bible.  The rally is at Circleville, Ohio, not far from Newark, Ohio where the nuns are from.  Those Trump rallies look like a lot of fun.

Quote from: Greg on October 24, 2020, 05:48:36 PM
https://youtu.be/yqf1FHLIO_I

3 Catholic nuns in habits saying the Rosary behind Trump.

God put them there behind Trump.  No way Rosary holding nuns pushed themselves to the front or queued for 10 hours.

I am not much of a "woo" person but there are too many strange happenings here.

Look up the order of nuns.  It is pretty traditional.

It is like a Rocky movie when the music changes and you know he is going to win.

God is sending signals.

Look at 50 minutes when Trump says "it is amazing the way God works" then he looks up at Heaven.  Then notice what the nun does behind him.  For the rest of the time she is fairly passive and saying her rosary.

North of Portland, Maine is Trump country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K0FdfmLG_s

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-exclusive-text-messages-show-vp-biden-wife-brother-key-family-members-aware-concerned-colluded-suppress-hunters-actions-around-certain-minor/

Biden is toast.

Covered up incest pedophilia in his family.

I think this is a good prediction.  We do not have long to wait.

I think they will, as a last ditch attempt, play the Virus card. We will see all MSM thundering all day about an immense explosion of the virus in battleground states, hoping to scare the Election Day, elderly Republican voters to stay home, and bagging the victory as they have proportionally more people voting early and many more older people who have voted early. Be prepared for a huge wave of Virus scares, and counter that with your friends etc. who have not voted yet.

from: https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2020/10/26/democrats-the-last-ditch-will-be-the-virus/

edit: but in a world where "Is the Pope catholic?" is no longer a rhetorical question, who knows ...


Meanwhile Xavier has till Sunday ...

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=24300.msg508131#msg508131

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=hunter%20biden%20laptop

Interest in laptop story

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:58:27 AM
God put them there behind Trump.  No way Rosary holding nuns pushed themselves to the front or queued for 10 hours.

Perhaps.  Or the campaign asked them to stand there.

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 07:28:36 AM

Biden is toast.

Covered up incest pedophilia in his family.

Probably.  But I don't see how those texts prove that Joe covered it up, that is enough to really affect the election.  We need more.  7 days to go.

I can't access the comments section at Gateway Pundit, sadly.  Or maybe it's a blessing.

Biden appears to have NO support based on the number of people turning up at his rallies.

Can you win an election based on people voting only against the other candidate but not for you?  This appears to be the only way that Biden can win.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxpTOvihjkw[/yt]

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 08:47:40 AM

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:58:27 AM
God put them there behind Trump.  No way Rosary holding nuns pushed themselves to the front or queued for 10 hours.

Perhaps.  Or the campaign asked them to stand there.

So ZERO nuns have turned up to other Trump rallies?

Then suddenly three turn up, get noticed by the campaign people and given a position on TV, where Trump looks up at the Heavens and acknowledges God as the provider of the fortune of Hunter's laptop?

Yeah, I guess that is it.  Just a co-incidence.  You are right.

Joe Biden has called a lid on the campaign between now and election day.  So for the next 8 days he is making no public appearances.

Has there ever been an election in America or any democratic country where the candidate did not show their face in public in the final week?

We are through the looking glass.  Biden makes Jeb Bush and Hillary look high energy.

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 09:26:13 AM

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 08:47:40 AM

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:58:27 AM
God put them there behind Trump.  No way Rosary holding nuns pushed themselves to the front or queued for 10 hours.

Perhaps.  Or the campaign asked them to stand there.

So ZERO nuns have turned up to other Trump rallies?

Then suddenly three turn up, get noticed by the campaign people and given a position on TV, where Trump looks up at the Heavens and acknowledges God as the provider of the fortune of Hunter's laptop?

Yeah, I guess that is it.  Just a co-incidence.  You are right.

Nuns showing up at a Trump rally, and standing behind the president, is hardly a new development from heaven showing Trump is going to win like Rocky, as suggested above.  Perhaps.  The more likely explanation is someone said "Hey Sisters, come stand over here."   It's good marketing to the Catholics in Ohio.  I'm all for that.

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 10:11:09 AM

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 09:26:13 AM

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 08:47:40 AM

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:58:27 AM
God put them there behind Trump.  No way Rosary holding nuns pushed themselves to the front or queued for 10 hours.

Perhaps.  Or the campaign asked them to stand there.

So ZERO nuns have turned up to other Trump rallies?

Then suddenly three turn up, get noticed by the campaign people and given a position on TV, where Trump looks up at the Heavens and acknowledges God as the provider of the fortune of Hunter's laptop?

Yeah, I guess that is it.  Just a co-incidence.  You are right.

Nuns showing up at a Trump rally, and standing behind the president, is hardly a new development from heaven showing Trump is going to win like Rocky, as suggested above.  Perhaps.  The more likely explanation is someone said "Hey Sisters, come stand over here."   It's good marketing to the Catholics in Ohio.  I'm all for that.

Enjoy your final week on SD.

Quote from: paul14 on October 26, 2020, 10:25:58 AM

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 10:11:09 AM

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 09:26:13 AM

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 08:47:40 AM

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:58:27 AM
God put them there behind Trump.  No way Rosary holding nuns pushed themselves to the front or queued for 10 hours.

Perhaps.  Or the campaign asked them to stand there.

So ZERO nuns have turned up to other Trump rallies?

Then suddenly three turn up, get noticed by the campaign people and given a position on TV, where Trump looks up at the Heavens and acknowledges God as the provider of the fortune of Hunter's laptop?

Yeah, I guess that is it.  Just a co-incidence.  You are right.

Nuns showing up at a Trump rally, and standing behind the president, is hardly a new development from heaven showing Trump is going to win like Rocky, as suggested above.  Perhaps.  The more likely explanation is someone said "Hey Sisters, come stand over here."   It's good marketing to the Catholics in Ohio.  I'm all for that.

Enjoy your final week on SD.

Wanta bet?   :)

Quote from: paul14 on October 26, 2020, 09:22:56 AM
Biden appears to have NO support based on the number of people turning up at his rallies.
Can you win an election based on people voting only against the other candidate but not for you?  This appears to be the only way that Biden can win.

It's an important rhetorical question, and it's the gamble that the Left, the Democratic Party machine, and all of its true-blue friends in the media have been investing in for longer than the last 12 months.

For four years, the media has cooperated with the Democratic Party operatives in fomenting hatred for the man, Trump -- much more personal hatred than any supposed hatred for his policies, beliefs, etc.  They have been counting on two things to win this election:  deep animus for DJT as a man + fawning devotion to the Democratic Party itself, the ideology -- regardless of the person himself or herself on the top of the Democratic ticket.  In that way they are no different from the former Soviets, from the CCP, etc.

That's a pretty risky gamble -- to assume that because you -- party operatives and media -- are motivated by those two factors, the electorate also is.  The U.S. electorate -- probably like other electorates around the world -- typically are motivated by "bread and butter" issues of their personal economy (not just the economy of the country in general), their personal safety, the schooling of their children and the quality/availability of that schooling, a basic assumption of international peace (no imminent war or existing war), and health care resources.  There is a segment of the population that votes ideologically more than individually, but those people tend to be ALREADY on the Left and will always vote Blue if a mere statue is on the ticket.

Trump holds 'Make America Great Again!' rally in Pennsylvania

[yt]https://youtu.be/phN31IhPjf8[/yt]

By the way, Urban Legend seems to be saying that massive early voting is indicative of a Biden win.  How would it be obvious that early voters are Democratic voters?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
Nuns showing up at a Trump rally, and standing behind the president, is hardly a new development from heaven showing Trump is going to win like Rocky, as suggested above.  Perhaps.  The more likely explanation is someone said "Hey Sisters, come stand over here."   It's good marketing to the Catholics in Ohio.  I'm all for that.

I have watched a LOT of Trump rallies and I have never seen a nun anywhere in the frame behind Trump.  That is not the sort of thing I would miss.  Suddenly you get 3 of them at the front so we can see their rosaries in their hands..  They cheer when Trump thanks God and looks to Heaven.  Have you ever seen a President look to Heaven like that and thank God for what he clearly states is Divine providence that the laptop showed up?  I have never seen anything like that in my life.

On top of that the nuns are from an order are called, "The Children of Mary".  Trump's mother's name is Mary.

Then you have him appointing a pro-life judge and Catholic mother of 7 children.  And her steamrolling through the hearings.

You have him being the first ever President in history to attend a March for Life Rally.

"Ave Maria sung on the balcony of the oval office while the whole Trump family stand to dignified attention.

I think God is voting for Trump.  I just see too much weirdness, too many coincidences.

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:28:35 PMI have watched a LOT of Trump rallies and I have never seen a nun anywhere in the frame behind Trump.  That is not the sort of thing I would miss.  Suddenly you get 3 of them at the front so we can see their rosaries in their hands..  They cheer when Trump thanks God and looks to Heaven.  Have you ever seen a President look to Heaven like that and thank God for what he clearly states is Divine providence that the laptop showed up?  I have never seen anything like that in my life.

On top of that the nuns are from an order are called, "The Children of Mary".  Trump's mother's name is Mary.

Then you have him appointing a pro-life judge and Catholic mother of 7 children.  And her steamrolling through the hearings.

... who gets appointed to the Supreme Court on Hillary Clinton's birthday!  (what's not to like).

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/14/22/34400254-8840595-image-a-88_1602709704842.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XLJAUGJ.png)

My prediction:  281 electoral votes for Trump, 257 for Biden

Quote from: Non Nobis on October 27, 2020, 12:23:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XLJAUGJ.png)

I gotta admit, last night was pretty good.  Had I known this, cake would have been in order for a dessert to celebrate!

Justice Barrett impresses me.  If you knew me personally you would know that last sentence is rare for me.  I'm starting to see women in my everyday life that are true leaders.  Leaders I could follow.  I guess it's gonna have to be that way in the current milieu.

This one, however, just may be Joan of Arc with a pen. 

Can anyone tell me who the 500 illegal immigrant children are where the USA cannot locate their parents?

I assume they are orphans or used by drug-traffickers to get across the border and stay (pretending to be their parents).

What are the typical and atypical backgrounds of them?

Note paragraph 4 in the article below.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/didnt-lose-1500-migrant-children-family/

A NY Times piece which is mostly anti-Trump propaganda admitted that advocates and The Feds have been looking for these kids for over a year. This is only a story now because it is a convenient stick to beat Trump with...just days before the election.

Quote from: Greg on October 26, 2020, 02:28:35 PM

Quote from: christulsa on October 26, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
Nuns showing up at a Trump rally, and standing behind the president, is hardly a new development from heaven showing Trump is going to win like Rocky, as suggested above.  Perhaps.  The more likely explanation is someone said "Hey Sisters, come stand over here."   It's good marketing to the Catholics in Ohio.  I'm all for that.

I have watched a LOT of Trump rallies and I have never seen a nun anywhere in the frame behind Trump.  That is not the sort of thing I would miss.  Suddenly you get 3 of them at the front so we can see their rosaries in their hands..  They cheer when Trump thanks God and looks to Heaven.  Have you ever seen a President look to Heaven like that and thank God for what he clearly states is Divine providence that the laptop showed up?  I have never seen anything like that in my life.

On top of that the nuns are from an order are called, "The Children of Mary".  Trump's mother's name is Mary.

Then you have him appointing a pro-life judge and Catholic mother of 7 children.  And her steamrolling through the hearings.

You have him being the first ever President in history to attend a March for Life Rally.

"Ave Maria sung on the balcony of the oval office while the whole Trump family stand to dignified attention.

I think God is voting for Trump.  I just see too much weirdness, too many coincidences.

Saturday, Oct. 3, there were 21,000 rosaries rallies across the USA (average of 420 per state); while they were for our country, I think most people knew why we were there, and the ICK canon presiding at the one I attended left no doubt to those who have ears to hear.  The rosary is very, very powerful.  Trump himself may not be a choir boy, but often times its the sinner that knows he needs God's help the most (the parable of the pharisee and tax collector...), and I think, as you suggest, he knows that God is indeed the key to victory, the deck is stacked against Trump so terribly.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on October 27, 2020, 07:04:19 AM

I gotta admit, last night was pretty good.  Had I known this, cake would have been in order for a dessert to celebrate!

Justice Barrett impresses me.  If you knew me personally you would know that last sentence is rare for me.  I'm starting to see women in my everyday life that are true leaders.  Leaders I could follow.  I guess it's gonna have to be that way in the current milieu.

This one, however, just may be Joan of Arc with a pen.

I agree.  Last night awed many other men, as well as many women.  I was very moved by the number of men who voiced similar, genuine approval as yours.

Women can lead, but I think it depends on two things to be effective:

~the quality of the woman leading -- her values, her vision, her understanding of what is worth leading about -- which will not be political power as a purpose in itself. IOW, why she is leading.
~how she leads.


Women have always been leaders, throughout history, but the best of them have not necessarily followed the male style of leadership.  For example, there have been women who have come forward inspired by the need of the moment, but only in response to a great internal call and clear need within a limited time frame:  it's not as if those women set out to lead in a worldly way, from birth -- acquiring power, competing with men, mimicking men, and motivated by anger or envy.

The best female leaders I admire (a handful) led spontaneously and out of magnanimity, from calm internal conviction, responsively and for a noble cause.  They bear little resemblance to most modern women leaders.

I am the king'o numero uno cuando Frau H. ain't hoem. When she dar, she lead me.

President Trump reads his poll numbers - looking good!

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2SBfmBooHo[/yt]

Back during the Democratic presidential debates Tulsi Gabbard trashed Kamala Harris big time.

From  Trump War Room
Uploaded Oct 27, 2020

Black Americans Aren't Going To Forget This.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-RvkD8604[/yt]

Quote from: mikemac on October 27, 2020, 09:38:39 PM
Back during the Democratic presidential debates Tulsi Gabbard trashed Kamala Harris big time.

My favorite two reasons for liking Tulsi have always been that she told off Kamala and told off Hillary.

Get this out on your social networks.

Buries Joe Biden

https://youtu.be/3pg8yFvUD8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28oibkDBAcA

Good old Nigel.

When Trump wins he's going to be smelling of roses; just like last time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8891213/Donald-Trump-introduces-Nigel-Farage-King-Europe-election-rally-Arizona.html#article-8891213

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlSFK861JwY[/yt]

edit: Seems trump is the new Cyrus.  More proof that he is God's instrument.  I just saw a poster in the video above "Assyrians for Trump"

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQ5_fO47IyQDuBd4jCSRTInGgglzmcewRE_2Q&usqp=CAU)

Joe Biden's Zombie Campaign

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLXc5i3HFf4[/yt]

Obama did say never underestimate Joe's ability to f#*k things up.

QuoteThe best female leaders I admire (a handful) led spontaneously and out of magnanimity, from calm internal conviction, responsively and for a noble cause.  They bear little resemblance to most modern women leaders.

Unlike Mrs. Barrett who abandoned her family for decades so she could be judged successful by male standards.  I guess she has finally "caught" her imaginary "career" after "pursuing" it for decades.  I hope the missed tea parties with her daughters was worth it.

But I support the nomination because I'm a realist.  America is soy land where people virtue signal their approval for "strong women".

QuoteWhat are the typical and atypical backgrounds of them?

Normally sent north to live with aunts and uncles who themselves are illegal.  That is why no one comes forward, because those responsible are illegals.

Imagine the sick culture that allows parents to send little kids away with coyotes.   No, we don't want them here and we don't want them to vote.

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Quote from: james03 on October 29, 2020, 10:37:27 AM

QuoteWhat are the typical and atypical backgrounds of them?

Normally sent north to live with aunts and uncles who themselves are illegal.  That is why no one comes forward, because those responsible are illegals.

Imagine the sick culture that allows parents to send little kids away with coyotes.   No, we don't want them here and we don't want them to vote.

We fostered a sibling group whose parents were in a Federal facilty for being coyotes.  Social Services were notified about the youngest, which led to three...but the point is my husband 3 kids and the DOG ended up sleeping in one room at night.  Their poor lives sounded like the kidnapped African kids who are used for war.  The sick culture was both Social Services and the country the family originated from.

Currently there are 400,000 anchor babies being born each year.  80% vote socialist.  Trump won by 70,000 votes last election.  Factoring the immigration ramp, currently each year about 200,000 anchor babies turn 18 and 80% vote socialist.  It's only a matter of time.  If Trump wins 2020, use the 4 years to get ready.  Perhaps since America voted for Life and got 3 SCOTUS picks from the Federalist society, God will give us the 4 years.

Other trends, the US population is 55% socialist and less than 50% pay Federal Income Tax.  The only thing saving us is low socialist voter turnout and the civil war in the Dem party.

Civil War in the Dem Party? They are streamlined focused on ousting Trump, killing babies, and mainstreaming the molestation of the ones who make it through the choice gauntlet.

Quote from: paul14 on October 29, 2020, 07:34:40 AM
Joe Biden's Zombie Campaign

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLXc5i3HFf4[/yt]

...which is why I don't understand how the polls can show him to be even competitive with Trump, let alone overtaking him.

(https://media.thedonald.win/post/a6iQOs4U.jpeg)

Quote from: Heinrich on October 29, 2020, 02:46:00 PM
Civil War in the Dem Party? They are streamlined focused on ousting Trump, killing babies, and mainstreaming the molestation of the ones who make it through the choice gauntlet.

They'll turn on each other, blaming the other "wing" for bad campaign strategy, not being revolutionary enough, etc., etc.

When Hillary lost, Bill came positively unglued at her.  I think there was also lots of inner viciousness among party regulars and definitely differences in strategy during the campaign.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 29, 2020, 05:40:50 PM

Quote from: paul14 on October 29, 2020, 07:34:40 AM
Joe Biden's Zombie Campaign

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLXc5i3HFf4[/yt]

...which is why I don't understand how the polls can show him to be even competitive with Trump, let alone overtaking him.

In modern politics, polls often serve as the canary in the mine - an early warning signal of danger or trends. But polls can also be used to wag the dog - diverting attention from something significant.

Donna Brazile

Hmmm.  I wonder what the "something significant" would be in this case.

My question is: what would have to happen politically for there to be a civil war in the near future?  In other words, how Communist does the federal government have to become in order for the most conservative states to threaten civil war or consider secession?   What would that situation look like specifically?   

Apparently, there are a few generals who got Trump to run, considering a coup if he didn't.  Seems unlikely though that the national military would support the conservative states in a civil war.   :shrug:

And my question is this:
One polling site I looked at today had Trump LOSING in every single battleground state he won in 2016.  Where's the rationale for that kind of a tectonic shift?  I just don't get whom they're polling.

On Democrat civil war you have neo Con big tech dems like Biden and Kamala going against Bernie bros, squad, and anti-war left. The latter hate Biden and really hate Kamala. Tim Pool is an anti-war leftist who discusses the civil war. He has endorsed Trump. Pretty popular youtube dude.

Thanks man.  I'll check out those videos tonight when I check out videos on how to gut a turkey. Going turkey hunting for the first time tomorrow.

Yeah I think the anti-fa/PC policing is the first wave of the civil war.  When you can't remain decidedly  silent about homosexuality/transgenderism/etc in the workplace without the threat of losing your job to leftists, or hang a Trump sign without someone threatening your family's life, then we're already in a political war zone.   But I'm still trying to wrap my head around the players.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 29, 2020, 08:25:01 PM
And my question is this:
One polling site I looked at today had Trump LOSING in every single battleground state he won in 2016.  Where's the rationale for that kind of a tectonic shift?  I just don't get whom they're polling.

I've heard some polls send questionnaire's via text message, and most of the respondents are highly motivated leftists.  A conservative like me isn't going to waste time on a poll on his 15 minute lunch break

Quote from: christulsa on October 29, 2020, 07:57:32 PM
My question is: what would have to happen politically for there to be a civil war in the near future?

Let's not use the word Civil War.  Let's say civil crisis or civil chaos (patchy), disorganised, messy.

Trump wins, democrats cheat various ballots and are caught red handed cheating, Trump declares victory, democrats scream tyranny with ALL their might, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Gore, Pelosi.  Mobs in streets egged on by mainstream media who have even at this stage completely thrown their lot in with the DNC and are their PR department.  Martial Law declared (partial in various states not everywhere), some factions of the US military join the DNC cause, international condemnation of President Trump by EU and others, China supporting Democrat position, ship arms and aid to California, financial chaos, MS-13 brought in from Mexico and bused to cause chaos in Trump supporting states, China moves on Taiwan, India/Pakistan, Turkey on Greece,  EU hopeless militarily, various flare ups in Islamic world and Africa states since the USA is incapable of doing anything on the foreign stage.

Even if Trump wins in a landslide large enough to overcome any cheating I still reckon the left completely kicks off since they are bat-shit insane.  The less likely outcome is that they rip themselves apart due to a second embarrassing loss.

Do you think the Democratic Governors in closely fought states are going to try and shutdown the state due to Covid over this weekend so that voting on November 3rd is more difficult since Trump's vote is expected to be much heavier on election day?

The electric power went down here for an hour yesterday, and that would have been a very nice opportunity to mess with the voting system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCRHzuGAenA

The more likely scenario is not civil war but external warfare that destroys the economy (China) and creates social chaos (aka Russia 1917) that leads to a weakened government, overthrow and then a dictatorship. Dictatorship could be another Pinochet (best choice) or another Lenin (worst outcome, gulags and all that messy stuff).

A general decline of 10 years like under Biden/Indian Princess where the police and military stay intact, civil war is impossible. To many armored personnel carriers and 30 caliber machine guns. If need be, Apache attack helicopters and A10 warthogs. Just think about another Sherman and Grant who will do anything to keep it together. O ya, there are people in the military that will get the job done at ANY price.

A slow decline seems to me to be the worst choice. The fast, quick one gives at least an opportunity for someone good to be in charge after the dust settles. Lots of blood but, hey, who gives a hoot, the American people support "gay" marriage by a margin of 70% to 30%. Just think about what America will look like in 50 years. Ya our children and grandchildren really have something to look forward too. Salvation for them in 2070, forget it.

Quote from: Greg on October 30, 2020, 11:09:27 AM
Do you think the Democratic Governors in closely faught states are going to try and shutdown the state due to Covid over this weekend so that voting on November 3rd is more difficult since Trump's vote is expected to be much heavier on election day?

Yes and you can include "Republican" governors like ours in Massachusetts.

Too obvious. They will count the vote election night and add Biden mail in ballots the following days. Biden wins PA MI and WS by a squeaker. Polls were right all along.

With your history of prediction accuracy, James I think I will bet another 500 on Trump.  8)

'MAGA nuns' at Trump rally become internet sensation

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/maga-nuns-at-trump-rally-become-internet-sensation-enrage-liberals

4 days to go

There have been some fabulous Fox News analysis/reports this evening about the racism of the Left.  Brilliant insights by blacks and whites, but especially from blacks, about the "ownership" of blacks by the white liberal elite class, who is behaving like "overseers" (to use one of the many apt descriptors spoken).  That "ownership" and "overseer" role hearkening back to the antebellum era.  These commentators were explaining the "rage" of members of the white Left that is in a different category than just loss of black votes to Trump. I agree with that interpretation.

Good discussion also on Fox about how Trump is beginning to capture the labor working class out from under the (arrogant) Democrats running the Party, who have taken the working class for granted for so long.  It was said (and I agree) that this could be an important new coalition-building opportunity for Republicans.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 30, 2020, 11:11:28 PM
There have been some fabulous Fox News analysis/reports this evening about the racism of the Left.  Brilliant insights by blacks and whites, but especially from blacks, about the "ownership" of blacks by the white liberal elite class, who is behaving like "overseers" (to use one of the many apt descriptors spoken).  That "ownership" and "overseer" role hearkening back to the antebellum era.  These commentators were explaining the "rage" of members of the white Left that is in a different category than just loss of black votes to Trump. I agree with that interpretation.

Good discussion also on Fox about how Trump is beginning to capture the labor working class out from under the (arrogant) Democrats running the Party, who have taken the working class for granted for so long.  It was said (and I agree) that this could be an important new coalition-building opportunity for Republicans.

Democrats are parasites who thrive on human misery

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 30, 2020, 11:11:28 PM
There have been some fabulous Fox News analysis/reports this evening about the racism of the Left.  Brilliant insights by blacks and whites, but especially from blacks, about the "ownership" of blacks by the white liberal elite class, who is behaving like "overseers" (to use one of the many apt descriptors spoken).  That "ownership" and "overseer" role hearkening back to the antebellum era.  These commentators were explaining the "rage" of members of the white Left that is in a different category than just loss of black votes to Trump. I agree with that interpretation.

Good discussion also on Fox about how Trump is beginning to capture the labor working class out from under the (arrogant) Democrats running the Party, who have taken the working class for granted for so long.  It was said (and I agree) that this could be an important new coalition-building opportunity for Republicans.

I do not know why people bother with Fox news.  Most of this stuff has been on the alternative media, YouTube/bitchute etc. for months/years. All they do is occasionally pick up one of these stories and then act like it is some great scoop.

It reminds me of a show called "You've been framed" which used to show funny videos of kids and dogs and people falling off ladders and stuff.

The moment sites like YouTube became available that programme was redundant. Watching it was like watching kids playing football in the park when somebody is offering me free entry to the world cup final.

The only reason I think it is there is to add some kind of legitimacy to news for the great unwashed.

edit: Fixing autocorrect errors is like trying to parse Joe Biden speeches.

The Democrats are possessed.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi9rgwDLBAk[/yt]

Quote from: Greg on October 30, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
With your history of prediction accuracy, James I think I will bet another 500 on Trump.  8)

QuoteMany have been trying to predict the result of the upcoming US elections, but all eyes are now set on the predictions of one man: Allan Lichtman.

A history professor, Allan Lichtman, is one of those rare experts who has correctly predicted all the US elections since 1984.

This year, the race to the White House is between the current US President Donald Trump and his Democratic rival and former Vice President Joe Biden.

The two are running against each other to become the 46th President of the United States of America — which will also set a record of being the oldest President of the US.

13 Keys

Lichtman has created a system called 'The Keys to the White House' — more popularly known as the '13 Keys' model.

This model is a very basic and simple, yet an important way of predicting the election results. Lichtman has devised 13 questions or topics which he answers on True/False basis and thus predicts the next President.

As per this model, if majority questions are answered as true, then the current President gets to keep his room in the White House, and if not then it is time for a new face to represent the superpower.

The 13 topics on which he mulls are: Midterm Gains, No contest during nominations, Incumbent President seeking re-elections, No third party contesting the elections, Strong short term economy,  Strong long term economy, Major policy change, Scandals, Foreign/military failure, Foreign/military success, No social unrest, Charisma of the President, Charisma of the challenger.

The winner of 2020

So many astrologers, numerologists, ecnomic experts, political leaders and many more have been studying, polling and trying to predict who will be winner of the US elections this year.

However, Lichtman has given his answer.

"Donald Trump will become the first sitting President since Bill Clinton defeated George H W Bush in 1992 to lose a re-election bid," Lichtman predicted.

As per the expert Historian, this year he observed seven false and six true for the questions in his '13 Keys' model. So, as per the rules of the model — which has never been wrong — Trump will have to pack up his stuff and leave the White House.

"The secret is keeping your eye on the big picture of incumbent strength and performance. And don't pay any attention to the polls, the pundits, the day-to-day ups and downs of the campaign. And that's what the keys gauge. The big picture," Lichtman defended his prediction in an interview with the American channel CNN.

He also added that one of the biggest reasons for Trump losing to "sleepy Joe" will be the President's poor handling of the novel coronavirus — which he also contracted last week but claims to have recovered.

"He was in pretty good shape going into 2020 and then, as you point out, America was hit with the pandemic, the cries for social and racial justice, and Donald Trump reverted to his 2016 playbook where he was the challenger. But you can't talk your way out of it when it's your record," he told LBC in an interview.

He also added that Trump and the current members of the Republican party have had one of the rare times when a massive fortune of economy and a probable win was reversed within months due to one issue. Lichtman also added that things cannot go back to looking greener within few weeks time for Trump and that will cause his downfall in the upcoming elections that are scheduled for November 03.

The Orangeman will be gone from Washington D.C. by 9 p.m. EST on January 20, 2021.

Actually he should be gone since he supports the over turning of ALL anti-sodomy laws throughout the world.

Let the door hit you in the ass Trump while you are leaving the White House.

If I WERE James I would take you up on that bet. Easy $500. (No I don't bet)

I did not bet with James.  I bet with Betfair and got 2/1

The trouble with the Allan Lichtman prediction is it depends on how you interpret the keys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_to_the_White_House#Track_record_2

The following keys are clearly wrong.

Incumbent Charisma: FALSE       (Are you kidding me! - Trump is about the most charismatic president ever)
Foreign Military Success: FALSE   (So leaving Iraq and Afghanistan is a failure.  Making peace in the middle east is a failure ?)

Vox Day makes the case here:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-keys-to-white-house.html

Quote from: paul14 on October 31, 2020, 04:01:37 AM

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 30, 2020, 11:11:28 PM
There have been some fabulous Fox News analysis/reports this evening about the racism of the Left.  Brilliant insights by blacks and whites, but especially from blacks, about the "ownership" of blacks by the white liberal elite class, who is behaving like "overseers" (to use one of the many apt descriptors spoken).  That "ownership" and "overseer" role hearkening back to the antebellum era.  These commentators were explaining the "rage" of members of the white Left that is in a different category than just loss of black votes to Trump. I agree with that interpretation.

Good discussion also on Fox about how Trump is beginning to capture the labor working class out from under the (arrogant) Democrats running the Party, who have taken the working class for granted for so long.  It was said (and I agree) that this could be an important new coalition-building opportunity for Republicans.

I do not know why people bother with Fox news.  Most of this stuff has been on the alternative media, YouTube/bitchute etc. for months/years. All they do is occasionally pick up one of these stories and then act like it is some great scoop.

It reminds me of a show called "You've been framed" which used to show funny videos of kids and dogs and people falling off ladders and stuff.

The moment sites like YouTube became available that programme was redundant. Watching it was like watching kids playing football in the park when somebody is offering me free entry to the world cup final.

The only reason I think it is there is to add some kind of legitimacy to news for the great unwashed.

edit: Fixing autocorrect errors is like trying to parse Joe Biden speeches.

I'm sorry that you disapprove so strongly.  It's not just about the stories/facts themselves, however.  Some of us find the commentary and the analysis of these stories as or more important than the facts themselves.

I am not part of "the great unwashed."  I don't think it's necessary for you to move from disapproval to insult. A simple reminder about additional news sources -- for those not interested in commentary and analysis -- would have sufficed.

I knew that would happen.   :-[

I do not think you are part of 'the great unwashed' either.  it is a figure of speech.  A better term would the 'the great un-interneted'.  You are taking part in a discussion on an private internet forum.  Most people's limit is facebook and twitter.  Facebook and twitter that block links to stories about Joe Biden.

Fox news blocks all kinds of stuff.  I have known about the Joe Biden scandal for several years.  Fox News is fake conservative.  The fundamental problem with all mass-media is that they are dependent of the views of the advertisers.  They cannot afford to upset the advertisers of they lose massive revenues.  Fox News is affected by this just as much as all the others.

edit:
I gave up my UK TV license over 20 years ago. This was in the early days of the internet. When do you not have a TV license in the UK it it not legal to watch TV on ANY of the other channels.  So I did not.  I found my information primarily on the Internet and over the next several years my opinions completely changed. I came to understand just how powerful the media was.  This was mainly based on conversation with work colleagues. I realised how much of their opinions was basically just a cut-and-paste of what they had seen on the TV.

I tended to get my information from internet sites, early podcasts and youtube.  It got the the point where whenever I watched TV I realised how much my opinions had changed from getting my information from more independent sources.

BTW.  This is not new.  Hilaire Belloc described the problem over 100 years ago.  The message is as true today as it was then.


http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18018/18018-h/18018-h.htm

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Press-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/1428021434/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+free+press+belloc&qid=1604165925&sr=8-1

A review

Hilaire Belloc wrote this wonderful and terribly important little book way back in 1918. But its message resonates loud and clear even today. Within this excellent manuscript, Belloc describes an essential fact little known, then and now: Newspapers cost more to print than their unit sales price. So, how do newspapers stay in business, and even prosper? They are subsidized by advertising.

And herein lies the story. Advertising is controlled by the great capitalist fortunes. Therefore these great capitalist fortunes control the press. This is is a lesson that modern folks really need to consider well. Duped by the corporate press, now the mainstream media, they are somehow convinced that the media is populist. Nothing could be further from the truth. The media serves the needs of its controllers, the wealthy.

Belloc also provided rich content relative to a truly free press. This then existed due to the efforts of such as Belloc, and his great friend, G.K. Chesterton. And, in a way, it exists even today with newsletters of specific interest and very important internet web sites, like antiwar.com and lewrockwell.com. Belloc even provides extraordinary insights relative to the insightful usage and evaluation of such aspects of the free press that again resonate even today.

This is, in my opinion, one of Belloc's most important books. And that is saying quite a lot, for I have thus far been privileged to read well more than twenty of the great man's books. It is strongly recommended.

Quote from: Greg on October 30, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
With your history of prediction accuracy, James I think I will bet another 500 on Trump.  8)

Allegedly, "@Nigel_Farage put £10,000 where his mouth is. That's how much he bet on a Trump victory."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1322431888707870721.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1322431888707870721.html)

Quote from: paul14 on October 31, 2020, 11:31:03 AM

Fox news blocks all kinds of stuff.  I have known about the Joe Biden scandal for several years.  Fox News is fake conservative.  The fundamental problem with all mass-media is that they are dependent of the views of the advertisers.  They cannot afford to upset the advertisers of they lose massive revenues.  Fox News is affected by this just as much as all the others.

^ This.

Again, Paul, it's not necessary to behave like an elitist when you disapprove of people accessing particular kinds of communications.  So when you say, you "knew this would happen," you are the one who invited it with your unnecessary generalizations. Who gave you access to my computer, by the way?  How would you or anybody else on SD know what other sites and sources I also visit?  Watching Fox News (I generally watch Laura and sometimes some of TC and Sean, selectively, but little else) is not mutually exclusive with other sources. Laura's show has entertainment value.  I don't particularly care whether you approve or disapprove of my viewing habits because you have zero context for them.

It's a really good idea not to say what you (supposedly) didn't or don't mean to say.

Let your Yes be Yes and your No be No is really good advice from a certain Person.

When rats abandon the ship does it mean it is sinking?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/abc-news-breaks-mainstream-media-blackout-hunter-biden-story

Is not wearing a mask elitist then?

QuoteWith your history of prediction accuracy, James I think I will bet another 500 on Trump.

I've been pretty accurate, e.g. predicting that Greece, after electing their anti-globalist socialist party would never leave the EU and would never abandon the euro after analyzing their economy.  Mike Shedlock, who was more famous at the time, thought that the socialists would at least go to the drachma.  Since the majority of Greeks depend on government loot, that was not going to happen.  I also spotted #GamerGate early on as a major cultural shift and wrote about it.

But getting to the point at hand, I make no prediction.  I was responding to the possibility of the Dem governors shutting down their States to suppress Trump votes.  That would be too obvious.  Their plan is to use mail in ballots to goose the numbers.

My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

Odds?  50/50,  since all depends on how well they police the elections, which can't be handicapped.  Look at recent "wins" in California for a model, where many Republicans won the election in 2018, and then most of them losing a few days later after ballots were "discovered" uncounted.

I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM

My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

Odds?  50/50,  since all depends on how well they police the elections, which can't be handicapped.  Look at recent "wins" in California for a model, where many Republicans won the election in 2018, and then most of them losing a few days later after ballots were "discovered" uncounted.

I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

I agree with everything James says here, but especially the #1 and #2 up top.  If massive fraud by the Dems is miraculously prevented, Trump wins bigger than he won in 2016.

I predict Trump will win with a similar margin of victory to last time.
I think he may possibly win the popular vote as well.

Quote from: paul14 on October 31, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
I predict Trump will win with a similar margin of victory to last time.
I think he may possibly win the popular vote as well.

Agree similarly with both of those claims, especially if (in agreement with James), Democratic ballot "operations" can be minimized. 

Michael Moores original Trump commercial about why people vote for Trump

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8[/yt]

Does anyone else here check Gab Trends (https://trends.gab.com/)?

The attached image is its front page tonight.  The bottom half is a headline on Hunter:

"EXCLUSIVE: National security nightmare of Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop containing phone numbers for the Clintons, Secret Service officers and most of the Obama cabinet plus his sex and drug addictions - all secured by the password Hunter02"

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 31, 2020, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM

My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

Odds?  50/50,  since all depends on how well they police the elections, which can't be handicapped.  Look at recent "wins" in California for a model, where many Republicans won the election in 2018, and then most of them losing a few days later after ballots were "discovered" uncounted.

I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

I agree with everything James says here, but especially the #1 and #2 up top.  If massive fraud by the Dems is miraculously prevented, Trump wins bigger than he won in 2016.

But as I have stated elsewhere, Trump is no loser and do not think for a second he will take it sitting down; I believe any attempts at fraud will be seriously challenged by Trump and Barr, hopefully exposing the fake ballot machine of the Democratic party

Quote from: drummerboy on October 31, 2020, 10:33:16 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 31, 2020, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM

My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

Odds?  50/50,  since all depends on how well they police the elections, which can't be handicapped.  Look at recent "wins" in California for a model, where many Republicans won the election in 2018, and then most of them losing a few days later after ballots were "discovered" uncounted.

I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

I agree with everything James says here, but especially the #1 and #2 up top.  If massive fraud by the Dems is miraculously prevented, Trump wins bigger than he won in 2016.

But as I have stated elsewhere, Trump is no loser and do not think for a second he will take it sitting down; I believe any attempts at fraud will be seriously challenged by Trump and Barr, hopefully exposing the fake ballot machine of the Democratic party

Well, I never addressed Trump's reaction in the post you quote, but I shall now, since you brought it up.  Just because he would make sure that justifiably suspected occasions of fraud were investigated does not mean that any challenge of his would reach nearly the ugliness and defiance that the Democrats will engage in -- especially if there is not a Trump landslide.  He has already said that he intends to vacate the big house in short order if he loses. 

QuoteI believe any attempts at fraud will be seriously challenged by Trump and Barr

He did nothing after the obvious vote fraud of 2018 and lost the House, which eventually got him impeached.

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM
My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

If cannot have a prediction with the word IF in it unless you can clearly demonstrate that the IF happened and it is quantifiable.

No election is ever 100% legit.  2016 had ballot stuffing.  All elections have some cheats.

Your "prediction" above amounts to this.  If Biden can cheat enough to win, he will win.  If he cannot, Trump will win.

And that is no kind of prediction at all.

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM
I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

Trump has already won Florida.  He is ahead in early voting in Miami Dade County which Hillary won in 2016 by 30points.

So Florida is his.  I knew this 40 hours ago.

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 31, 2020, 11:28:06 PM

Quote from: drummerboy on October 31, 2020, 10:33:16 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 31, 2020, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM

My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

Odds?  50/50,  since all depends on how well they police the elections, which can't be handicapped.  Look at recent "wins" in California for a model, where many Republicans won the election in 2018, and then most of them losing a few days later after ballots were "discovered" uncounted.

I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

I agree with everything James says here, but especially the #1 and #2 up top.  If massive fraud by the Dems is miraculously prevented, Trump wins bigger than he won in 2016.

But as I have stated elsewhere, Trump is no loser and do not think for a second he will take it sitting down; I believe any attempts at fraud will be seriously challenged by Trump and Barr, hopefully exposing the fake ballot machine of the Democratic party

Well, I never addressed Trump's reaction in the post you quote, but I shall now, since you brought it up.  Just because he would make sure that justifiably suspected occasions of fraud were investigated does not mean that any challenge of his would reach nearly the ugliness and defiance that the Democrats will engage in -- especially if there is not a Trump landslide.  He has already said that he intends to vacate the big house in short order if he loses.

And he could have been saying that to give the democrats what they wanted to hear; it was a bait question, they hoped Trump would answer no and then accuse him of not respecting elections.   There are already over 1000 cases of fraud being investigated.

Quote from: drummerboy on November 01, 2020, 10:38:23 AM

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 31, 2020, 11:28:06 PM

Quote from: drummerboy on October 31, 2020, 10:33:16 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on October 31, 2020, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: james03 on October 31, 2020, 12:22:26 PM

My prediction is as follows:
1.  IF Trump can keep the elections mostly legit, he wins big.
2.  IF the Dems can pull-off mail-in ballots stuffing, which they are clearly planning, Biden wins.

Odds?  50/50,  since all depends on how well they police the elections, which can't be handicapped.  Look at recent "wins" in California for a model, where many Republicans won the election in 2018, and then most of them losing a few days later after ballots were "discovered" uncounted.

I'll make the prediction Trump  wins Florida and Ohio.  They have Republican governors.

I agree with everything James says here, but especially the #1 and #2 up top.  If massive fraud by the Dems is miraculously prevented, Trump wins bigger than he won in 2016.

But as I have stated elsewhere, Trump is no loser and do not think for a second he will take it sitting down; I believe any attempts at fraud will be seriously challenged by Trump and Barr, hopefully exposing the fake ballot machine of the Democratic party

Well, I never addressed Trump's reaction in the post you quote, but I shall now, since you brought it up.  Just because he would make sure that justifiably suspected occasions of fraud were investigated does not mean that any challenge of his would reach nearly the ugliness and defiance that the Democrats will engage in -- especially if there is not a Trump landslide.  He has already said that he intends to vacate the big house in short order if he loses.

And he could have been saying that to give the democrats what they wanted to hear; it was a bait question, they hoped Trump would answer no and then accuse him of not respecting elections.   There are already over 1000 cases of fraud being investigated.

Oh yes, I'm quite aware of all of that, but he will also not make a fool of himself.  The Dems, on the other hand, have absolutely no respect for the rule of law nor our institutions.  Their only "law" is their unbridled thirst for unopposed power.

I see no quantifiable, rational basis that early voting in Florida predicts conclusively Trump wins Florida.

Or that Trump only wins if Biden doesn't cheat enough to win.

Or that voter fraud, especially in swing states, is massive enough to disprove a Biden win, if he wins.

And I don't expect a last second surprise out of the Hunter story.

If Trump wins, it'll be a great victory for God, and one of the best days of my our life.  But he is not a Messiah-like secular king sent to deliver us from captivity into a secular paradise.   4 more years of Trump, as has been said here, just means God giving the faithful a little more time to prepare for Persecution during the age of anti-christ.  My ultimate point is that right now our hope has to rest in Christ the King, and the divine Church, not in a certain Trump re-election.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1322939126459568133

Since its November now and we are all making predictions, here are a few of mine:

1) President Trump wins re-election.
2) Trump gets over 330 Electoral College votes.

And then in the Senate and House,

3) Republicans increase their majority to 60 seats.
4) Republicans take back the House with 230 seats.

Those are my prayer intentions too for this election.

Justice Barrett was appointed with 52 Republican votes. Beside one naysayer, they all voted pro-life. The dems all voted no. The big bills will require a 60 vote majority in the senate and a House overall majority to get passed. So this will be necessary for serious Pro-life Legislation.

There have been prophecies that Roe v Wade will be overturned shortly. It is an obligation to support candidates up and down the ballot who are as pro-life as possible.

Edit: In a recent rally, President Trump said to a friend he's not the most famous Person in the world. The person asked, who is? He said, Jesus Christ... and it's not even close. The crowd cheered and laughed. Thought it was good. Compares favorably to worldlings like the Beatles - whom nobody cares about anymore - once saying they were bigger than Jesus. 4 more years of President Trump is Jesus Christ's blessing on America.

https://youtu.be/JrFu3SqDjB0

We will all obviously know very soon about whether the polls were off, and if so, by how much.  But it may be worth mentioning that I watched a couple of more discussions today about the enormous contradiction between poll statistics and relative voter enthusiasm demonstrated concretely for the two candidates.

Brief background:  I was born into a mostly Democratic family.  Yes, I used to be a Democrat, many years ago, when still quite influenced by my birth family and visiting them often.  I'd say we were a typical Democratic family in this respect:  we were politically very involved. To be a modern Democrat is by definition to be politically active, interested, have a high level of participation in the process, long before voting day.  This is important to understanding differences between the way Democrats and Republicans respond to polling, how interested they even are in answering, and who is doing the polling (Republicans?  Democrats?)

Modern Democrats have always been more ideological, as a group, than Republicans.  There are exceptions -- there have been in the past, but I'm not speaking here mostly of party leaders or candidates, but registered voters.  In general, Democrats care more about the ideology of the candidate, less about the candidate himself/herself, and this is exponentially true this year.  This is obvious from the mere fact that anyone who is not himself cognitively impaired has to notice Biden's cognitive confusion, but Biden will get millions of votes nevertheless, even from those who don't hate Trump but do "love" the left's ideology. The man matters much less than the message and the platform.

And because the Left is so married to ideology and so "activist," overall, they are also very keen on initiating polls and responding to polls.  It absolutely comes with the territory. Modern Republicans have been much more taciturn about their political affiliations and about voicing their opinions, even long before the Left's social stranglehold on the nation.  An example of this is that I have yet to receive a single inquiry from a Republican this year, and for the last many years before now, but I get lots of opinion solicitations from Democrats.

Tonight, on one political program, someone was mentioning the way certain Democratic telephone polls are run:  They require staying on the cell phone for (I didn't hear how many) minutes to answer a whole long series of questions.  Again, committed ideologues will do that; it is much less likely that less politically active responders will do that.

That above pertains to the "why" of the chasm between enthusiasm at the rallies and poll statistics, but it is enough to notice this chasm and to disregard the polls as junk statistics given how unrepresentative of the particular voting population they probably are.

I see that Xavier has predicted a number for Trump.  I will temper my enthusiasm a little and predict 304-308 electoral votes (up from what I earlier predicted on this thread, I think) for Trump, and a popular vote win, even if slim.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 02, 2020, 01:08:38 AM
We will all obviously know very soon about whether the polls were off, and if so, by how much.  But it may be worth mentioning that I watched a couple of more discussions today about the enormous contradiction between poll statistics and relative voter enthusiasm demonstrated concretely for the two candidates.

Brief background:  I was born into a mostly Democratic family.  Yes, I used to be a Democrat, many years ago, when still quite influenced by my birth family and visiting them often.  I'd say we were a typical Democratic family in this respect:  we were politically very involved. To be a modern Democrat is by definition to be politically active, interested, have a high level of participation in the process, long before voting day.  This is important to understanding differences between the way Democrats and Republicans respond to polling, how interested they even are in answering, and who is doing the polling (Republicans?  Democrats?)

Modern Democrats have always been more ideological, as a group, than Republicans.  There are exceptions -- there have been in the past, but I'm not speaking here mostly of party leaders or candidates, but registered voters.  In general, Democrats care more about the ideology of the candidate, less about the candidate himself/herself, and this is exponentially true this year.  This is obvious from the mere fact that anyone who is not himself cognitively impaired has to notice Biden's cognitive confusion, but Biden will get millions of votes nevertheless, even from those who don't hate Trump but do "love" the left's ideology. The man matters much less than the message and the platform.

And because the Left is so married to ideology and so "activist," overall, they are also very keen on initiating polls and responding to polls.  It absolutely comes with the territory. Modern Republicans have been much more taciturn about their political affiliations and about voicing their opinions, even long before the Left's social stranglehold on the nation.  An example of this is that I have yet to receive a single inquiry from a Republican this year, and for the last many years before now, but I get lots of opinion solicitations from Democrats.

Tonight, on one political program, someone was mentioning the way certain Democratic telephone polls are run:  They require staying on the cell phone for (I didn't hear how many) minutes to answer a whole long series of questions.  Again, committed ideologues will do that; it is much less likely that less politically active responders will do that.

That above pertains to the "why" of the chasm between enthusiasm at the rallies and poll statistics, but it is enough to notice this chasm and to disregard the polls as junk statistics given how unrepresentative of the particular voting population they probably are.

I see that Xavier has predicted a number for Trump.  I will temper my enthusiasm a little and predict 304-308 electoral votes (up from what I earlier predicted on this thread, I think) for Trump, and a popular vote win, even if slim.

They may have been ideologues at one time, and there still may be some, but all I see are a bunch of narcissistic reactionaries with absolutely zero thinking involved.  It's absolutely Pavlovian. 

This change started in 1972 with McGovern vs Nixon.  Once sexual sin became mainstream and codified into law it was all over in the idealogical department unless you consider increased funding in all areas to help contain the pathogen unleashed is your idea of being an ideologue. 

This was given up when they chose Sexual Liberation for the elites over fairness in economics and labor. 

I will not be voting this year.  I see all the losers lining up to early vote, safe in their masks, and adhering to marks on the sidewalk as to where they may properly queue up.  I will not suffer the indignity of having even one of those chumps cancel out my vote. 

In short, the entire Social "Order" is such a joke that to participate means to be complicit with it and nothing more than a vote of approval for the box, yes box, that they are hell bent on putting me in. 

Meanwhile, long strips of street level windows on K Street and kind of everywhere in NW DC are boarded up, and were being boarded up Sunday morning, even in hard rain.  Surreal, but it could be nothing but real estate owners complying with insurance policies.

Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 02, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Meanwhile, long strips of street level windows on K Street and kind of everywhere in NW DC are boarded up, and were being boarded up Sunday morning, even in hard rain.  Surreal, but it could be nothing but real estate owners complying with insurance policies.

If that were the case, they'd admit that it's the insurance companies forcing them to do that. They're boarding up in NYC and Boston too.

Quote from: Lynne on November 02, 2020, 10:15:20 AM

Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 02, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Meanwhile, long strips of street level windows on K Street and kind of everywhere in NW DC are boarded up, and were being boarded up Sunday morning, even in hard rain.  Surreal, but it could be nothing but real estate owners complying with insurance policies.

If that were the case, they'd admit that it's the insurance companies forcing them to do that. They're boarding up in NYC and Boston too.

I enjoy the thinking on display here.  Anything is possible as to why something is being done. 

Based on Lynne's post, it is starting to look like the Presidential Election of 2020 is being treated with the same script usually reserved for Category Five Hurricanes.  Only this time it's in all the cities. 

We should we call this Hurricane?

Quote from: Lynne on November 02, 2020, 10:15:20 AM

Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 02, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Meanwhile, long strips of street level windows on K Street and kind of everywhere in NW DC are boarded up, and were being boarded up Sunday morning, even in hard rain.  Surreal, but it could be nothing but real estate owners complying with insurance policies.

If that were the case, they'd admit that it's the insurance companies forcing them to do that. They're boarding up in NYC and Boston too.

One thing that was mentioned in commentary last night was how shocking it is that commercial establishments consider it routine to tolerate (and have to prepare for) situations of unrest -- meaning, crime, vandalism, theft, grand theft, and wanton destruction of property.  It might be "routine" in Third World countries, but --wait-- somehow I thought we were First World and supposedly the first of the First World.

Silly me.

I think it's an indication of the lack of governmental support that commercial establishments assume they will encounter if they dare demand greater protection from the gov't, in the way of law enforcement. Voters should be outraged that businesses are assuming that there's no support for lives and property due to successful domestic terrorism.

The NWO aim is to get rid of small and medium sized businesses so that only the corporations are left.

All going to plan ...

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 02, 2020, 10:47:16 AM
The NWO aim is to get rid of small and medium sized businesses so that only the corporations are left.

All going to plan ...

Doesn't fit with the facts, because the businesses boarding up are the most corporate multinational of them, but surely there are also small businesses boarding up.

QuoteI see no quantifiable, rational basis that early voting in Florida predicts conclusively Trump wins Florida.

I cannot be bothered to argue any more.  I am just going to post videos.

Democrats are PANICKING Over FLORIDA! 'We've Got to STOP the BLEEDING'!!!

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peJ0va_RNGg[/yt]

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 02, 2020, 11:03:19 AM

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 02, 2020, 10:47:16 AM
The NWO aim is to get rid of small and medium sized businesses so that only the corporations are left.

All going to plan ...

Doesn't fit with the facts, because the businesses boarding up are the most corporate multinational of them, but surely there are also small businesses boarding up.

Corporations might be boarding up their buildings, but the small and independent businesses are closing for good.

Amazon's profits have doubled since the lockdowns. 

The man and the record
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette logo
THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
NOV 1, 2020 3:23 Am

"He's unpresidential."

"He's crude and unkind."

"He's just not a good man."

These things, and much worse, are commonly said of President Donald Trump. His personality totally eclipses his record.

So we, seemingly, have him on the dunk tank, ready for a very cold bath.

Let's play dump the lout.

But is this really what it's about?

Isn't the real question whether he has been taking the country, and the economy of this region, in the right direction these last four years?

Can we separate the man from the record?

We share the embarrassment of millions of Americans who are disturbed by the president's unpresidential manners and character — his rudeness and put-downs and bragging and bending of the truth.

None of this can be justified. The president's behavior often has diminished his presidency, and the presidency. Most Americans want a president who makes them proud.

We too prefer the first-class temperament and demeanor of a Winston Churchill, a Dwight Eisenhower, a Franklin Roosevelt, a Ronald Reagan, or a Barack Obama (whom this newspaper enthusiastically supported in 2008 and 2012). None of them are on the ballot this year.

Let's look at the Trump record:

Under Donald Trump the economy, pre-COVID, boomed, like no time since the 1950s. Look at your 401(k) over the past three years.

Unemployment for Black Americans is lower than it has ever been, under any president of either party.

Under Mr. Trump, our trade relationships have vastly improved and our trade deals have been rewritten. Thanks to him, middle America is on the map again and the Appalachian and hourly worker has some hope.

Has Mr. Trump done enough for these struggling fellow citizens? No. But he recognized them. Maybe he was not articulate, but he recognized their pain.

No one ever asked the American people, or the people in "flyover," country, if they wanted to send their jobs abroad — until Mr. Trump. He has moved the debate, in both parties, from free trade, totally unfettered, to managed, or fair, trade. He has put America first, just as he said he would.

He also kept his promise to appoint originalists to the Supreme Court of the United States. His third appointment, Amy Coney Barrett, is the best of all — a jurist whose mind and character and scholarship ARE first class. We hope she stands against both judicial and executive excess.

Finally, let's talk about one of the most important concerns in this region — energy. Under Mr. Trump the United States achieved energy independence for the first time in the lifetimes of most of us. Where would Western Pennsylvania be without the Shell Petrochemical Complex (the "cracker plant")?

Donald Trump is not Churchill, to be sure, but he gets things done.

He is not a unifier. He often acts like the president of his base, not the whole country. He has done nothing to lessen our divisions and has, in fact, often deepened them. The convictions and intellect of all Americans should be respected by ALL Americans, especially the president.

Has Mr. Trump handled the pandemic perfectly? No. But no one masters a pandemic. And the president was and is right that we must not cower before the disease and we have to keep America open and working.

He has not listened well to people who could have helped him. He has not learned government, or shown interest in doing so.

But the Biden-Harris ticket offers us higher taxes and a nanny state that will bow to the bullies and the woke who would tear down history rather than learning from history and building up the country.

It offers an end to fracking and other Cuckoo California dreams that will cost the economy and the people who most need work right now. "Good-paying green jobs" are probably not jobs for Pittsburgh, or Cleveland, or Toledo, or Youngstown.

It offers softness on China, which Mr. Trump understands is our enemy.

Mr. Biden is too old for the job, and fragile. There is a very real chance he will not make it through the term. Mr. Trump is also too old but seemingly robust. But in Mike Pence, Mr. Trump has a vice president ready to take over, if need be. He is a safe pair of hands. Sen. Kamala Harris gives no evidence of being ready to be president.

This newspaper has not supported a Republican for president since 1972. But we believe Mr. Trump, for all his faults, is the better choice this year. We respect and understand those who feel otherwise. We wish that we could be more enthusiastic and we hope the president can become more dignified and statesmanlike. Each American must make up his or her own mind and do what he or she thinks is best for the community and the republic. Vote your conscience. And, whatever happens, believe in the country.

First Published November 1, 2020, 3:23am

Summa summarum: pray, hope, don't worry, and choose your news outlets well.

https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2020/11/01/the-last-poison-pills-and-the-antidote/

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 02, 2020, 11:28:03 AM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 02, 2020, 11:03:19 AM

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 02, 2020, 10:47:16 AM
The NWO aim is to get rid of small and medium sized businesses so that only the corporations are left.

All going to plan ...

Doesn't fit with the facts, because the businesses boarding up are the most corporate multinational of them, but surely there are also small businesses boarding up.

Corporations might be boarding up their buildings, but the small and independent businesses are closing for good.

Amazon's profits have doubled since the lockdowns.

That I do know, yes.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on November 02, 2020, 07:33:42 AM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 02, 2020, 01:08:38 AM
We will all obviously know very soon about whether the polls were off, and if so, by how much.  But it may be worth mentioning that I watched a couple of more discussions today about the enormous contradiction between poll statistics and relative voter enthusiasm demonstrated concretely for the two candidates.

Brief background:  I was born into a mostly Democratic family.  Yes, I used to be a Democrat, many years ago, when still quite influenced by my birth family and visiting them often.  I'd say we were a typical Democratic family in this respect:  we were politically very involved. To be a modern Democrat is by definition to be politically active, interested, have a high level of participation in the process, long before voting day.  This is important to understanding differences between the way Democrats and Republicans respond to polling, how interested they even are in answering, and who is doing the polling (Republicans?  Democrats?)

Modern Democrats have always been more ideological, as a group, than Republicans.  There are exceptions -- there have been in the past, but I'm not speaking here mostly of party leaders or candidates, but registered voters.  In general, Democrats care more about the ideology of the candidate, less about the candidate himself/herself, and this is exponentially true this year.  This is obvious from the mere fact that anyone who is not himself cognitively impaired has to notice Biden's cognitive confusion, but Biden will get millions of votes nevertheless, even from those who don't hate Trump but do "love" the left's ideology. The man matters much less than the message and the platform.

And because the Left is so married to ideology and so "activist," overall, they are also very keen on initiating polls and responding to polls.  It absolutely comes with the territory. Modern Republicans have been much more taciturn about their political affiliations and about voicing their opinions, even long before the Left's social stranglehold on the nation.  An example of this is that I have yet to receive a single inquiry from a Republican this year, and for the last many years before now, but I get lots of opinion solicitations from Democrats.

Tonight, on one political program, someone was mentioning the way certain Democratic telephone polls are run:  They require staying on the cell phone for (I didn't hear how many) minutes to answer a whole long series of questions.  Again, committed ideologues will do that; it is much less likely that less politically active responders will do that.

That above pertains to the "why" of the chasm between enthusiasm at the rallies and poll statistics, but it is enough to notice this chasm and to disregard the polls as junk statistics given how unrepresentative of the particular voting population they probably are.

I see that Xavier has predicted a number for Trump.  I will temper my enthusiasm a little and predict 304-308 electoral votes (up from what I earlier predicted on this thread, I think) for Trump, and a popular vote win, even if slim.

They may have been ideologues at one time, and there still may be some, but all I see are a bunch of narcissistic reactionaries with absolutely zero thinking involved.  It's absolutely Pavlovian. 

This change started in 1972 with McGovern vs Nixon.  Once sexual sin became mainstream and codified into law it was all over in the idealogical department unless you consider increased funding in all areas to help contain the pathogen unleashed is your idea of being an ideologue. 

This was given up when they chose Sexual Liberation for the elites over fairness in economics and labor. 

This is incorrect. They didn't need to trade; they merely widened the ideology to include libertine sexual mores, that's all. 

About a third of Democratic voters are ideologues:  they vote causes and platforms, not persons. As I've repeated elsewhere, it HAS to be that way because otherwise Biden wouldn't even get one-fifth of the popular vote, and he will get much more than that.  People do not normally vote for intellectually impaired individuals showing CLEAR signs of lingering stroke -- which signs are gaining momentum quickly, by the day.  Anyone with a merely average IQ can see and hear that the man is already incapable of running the country and that Harris and the party will be running it for him on 1-20-21 in the unlikely event he wins. Therefore, there has to be sizable quantity of pure ideologues as a voting bloc; there's no other way this can be happening. Components of this group include the Liberal Elite Educated bloc, mostly coastal (NY, Silicon Valley, Seattle, Boston, a few other places).

Another third just want to indulge every Capital Vice to the maximum.  Those are the "freedoms" they want.  In fact, they are glad to trade actual political freedoms for freedoms to fornicate, have abortions, sodomize each other and be congratulated for it, freedom to be avaricious (High Tech + China), etc. There is considerable overlap of this group with the ideologues; they are merely rationalizing that libertine behavior is a political ideology.

Another third have been brainwashed to think money grows on trees and the government owes them everything.  This group comes from the segment of the lower middle class that is used to government handouts, has no interest in being truly productive, is only comfortable playing victim and recipient, and loves its white overseers.  Includes brainwashed whites, low-producing blacks, illegal immigrants, angry single women whose husbands have left them, etc.  Fortunately, some legal immigrants and blacks with ambition want nothing to do with more victimization and are switching affiliations this election.  Just listen to Candace Owens, one of my heroines.

Quote from: Greg on October 31, 2020, 11:11:57 AM
I did not bet with James.  I bet with Betfair and got 2/1

Almost 300 million (pounds) has been traded on that market.  That is 200 million in liberal tears if Trump wins.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SbPshBQiL._AC_.jpg)

If you are looking for a conservative place to follow the election results LifeSiteNews will have live election coverage starting at 7:30 PM EST tomorrow night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTyY78Sv7I

Quote from: Lynne on November 02, 2020, 10:15:20 AM

Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 02, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Meanwhile, long strips of street level windows on K Street and kind of everywhere in NW DC are boarded up, and were being boarded up Sunday morning, even in hard rain.  Surreal, but it could be nothing but real estate owners complying with insurance policies.

If that were the case, they'd admit that it's the insurance companies forcing them to do that. They're boarding up in NYC and Boston too.

Thanks.  Wars and rumors of wars... 

Quote from: mikemac on November 02, 2020, 05:46:00 PM
If you are looking for a conservative place to follow the election results LifeSiteNews will have live election coverage starting at 7:30 PM EST tomorrow night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTyY78Sv7I

No, not me.  I am watching the Young Turks.  Comedy Gold.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRf0tvEIbz0[/yt]

I will probably watch Alistair Williams (uk comic) who will be laughing at the Young Turks

BURGER KING BREXIT

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGL-XJPuCuo[/yt]

Lets all put speculation aside and beg for God's mercy and Our Lady's intercession; I know I've been praying rosaries like crazy

Quote from: paul14 on November 02, 2020, 06:20:49 PM

No, not me.  I am watching the Young Turks.  Comedy Gold.

Post it here.  Then they don't get the ad revenue.

Quote from: Greg on November 03, 2020, 03:57:07 AM

Quote from: paul14 on November 02, 2020, 06:20:49 PM

No, not me.  I am watching the Young Turks.  Comedy Gold.

Post it here.  Then they don't get the ad revenue.

Good point.  I'll do exactly that. I will post a link on this thread (later today).

God Bless America.   :pray1:

edit:... and now for something completely different.

John Philip Sousa - The Liberty Bell - March

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov1kjVvYpWk[/yt]

Over the Pond people +5 hours please post what your media are projecting, if of merit.

Daily Mail - Trump Closes on Biden
Guardian - Trump to declare victory before the result
Financial Times - Trump suffers court defeats in effort to exclude early votes - Trump is a threat to democracy.
Independent - Trump made snowflakes like us melt (this is made up but it is some lefty bullshit)
The Times Behind Paywall so cannot see.
The Sun - Trump ate my hamster.  BetOnline.ag reported that 85 per cent of its recent bets taken on its presidential odds have been on Trump.

The Economist prediction.  Biden 95% chance of winning.

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkk9DI-8el4[/yt]

Official election watcher refused entry in Philadelphia.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1323615834455994373

Tucker: Trump is an indictment of America's ruling class

TRUMP ROSE BECAUSE THEY FAILED ????

Look at the amount of people in the crowd! It is amazing.

This is a short video with a scene from a rally in Butler, PA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_aK6W-jp0&feature=emb_logo

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/last-minute-panic-biden-campaign-now-says-president-trump-within-one-state-winning-election/

It is going to be a huge battle in Philadelphia (that is where they will focus their cheating)

Quote from: Greg on November 03, 2020, 11:11:00 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/last-minute-panic-biden-campaign-now-says-president-trump-within-one-state-winning-election/

It is going to be a huge battle in Philadelphia (that is where they will focus their cheating)

Philadelphia; how very appropriate.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPhqU--Mq1A[/yt]

I just learned this week that apparently Pennsylvania has been notoriously a location of voting fraud in past elections (I don't know how many, how far back).  Most Americans associate fraudulent voting with the city of Chicago, going back decades, apparently.  I was unaware that PA was so vulnerable.

The US Election in 60 Minutes #7 - Could Trump still win? | SpectatorTV

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiQHB4PqCBE[/yt]

Quote from: Christe Eleison on November 03, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
Tucker: Trump is an indictment of America's ruling class

TRUMP ROSE BECAUSE THEY FAILED ????

Look at the amount of people in the crowd! It is amazing.

This is a short video with a scene from a rally in Butler, PA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_aK6W-jp0&feature=emb_logo

I was going to post this too.  Monster crowd out for Trump in Butler, PA eh.  Tucker is saying a mouthful with this commentary.

Our polls opened this morning at 8 Eastern. We had 2 inches of snow overnight and it was still coming down but that wasn't keeping anyone away. Long line but I think mostly from Covid distancing. The Mrs and I were in and out in 10 minutes. I was in several different towns today and all the polls I saw were busy. I would say as busy as 2016. Looks like a very large turnout.

http://www.wkyt.com/2020/11/03/tensions-rise-at-jessamine-co-polling-place-two-arrested/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wkyt&fbclid=IwAR12Wl2j1Am_Hp50ERc8tnNRB8lDyUMWi6E37LexvWjsYOydbOgNtpO75vE

We love you, Greg.
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1323727104945475584

Election livestreams.

The Sargon 2020 Election Stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrIn_0_R-2E

The Young Turks (these are liberal, watch only to see the liberal tears - if/when Trump wins Florida,Ohio etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64GvIfUd9Zo

Alistair Williams Livestream (from 12.30am GMT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9H1_-lAKPU

Sebastian Gorka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0FElpJ2OC4

Bitchute deplatformed.

https://twitter.com/bitchute/status/1323741461972594688

Quote from: Heinrich on November 03, 2020, 03:16:27 PM
We love you, Greg.
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1323727104945475584

Shyte.  That's a lot to lose.  Gives us a hint if that's you, G.  Say it ain't so.

Few hours to go.

Steve Bannon's war room banned too.  Twitter getting desperate

Florida now looking like a certainty for Trump. NYT at 90% prob Trump has won the State. Massive repub turnout.

Greg,  Check the Trump+100.5 market.  Ivan is up 2.5 grand.

Whoa. Virginia early call for Biden might be an error. If Trump wins Virginia, the election is over. For our foreign brothers Trump lost Virginia in 2016. All calculus assumed he'd lose it again, so if he does don't worry about it. If he wins however, election is over.

Quote from: james03 on November 03, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
Whoa. Virginia early call for Biden might be an error. If Trump wins Virginia, the election is over. For our foreign brothers Trump lost Virginia in 2016. All calculus assumed he'd lose it again, so if he does don't worry about it. If he wins however, election is over.

Northern VA doesn't report fully yet and Trump was up in 2016 and then they reported and it flipped big time.

Another couple quick predictions as polls close:

5) Trump wins the demographics: Catholics, Evangelicals and Whites.
6) Trump outperforms 2016 margins among Asians, Blacks and Hispanics.

Watching election coverage at: https://youtu.be/iwRA-dtub7Y

CNN now moved VA back to undecided. However I read mail in ballots get counted at 11.  If so my optimism was premature.

The part that makes me nervous is that the Dems have picked up 5 seats in the House, i think.  However, last I looked, Trump was surprisingly ahead in the popular vote, although trailing electorally.

Florida and Pennsylvania are still up in the air. 

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

Quote from: christulsa on November 03, 2020, 08:38:02 PM
Florida and Pennsylvania are still up in the air. 

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

So is TX, although Rove is optimistic.
People did expect all three of these to be close, and that's why Trump spent so much time in each.

Senate and House not looking so good. Senate better than House. Still early.

One thing that has become apparent is that the huge financial advantage Biden had has seemed to have paid off in in-state advertising.  Maybe that has resulted in some Congressional seats changed.  This has certainly happened in one State legislature, for example -- TX.  Apparently some Silicon Valley executive donated 11+ million dollars to the TX State legislative race to change the landscape there.  (Remember that SV has moved East, esp. to TX  -- for example, Apple has opened a branch in Austin.)  This donation was for the purpose of cementing policies favorable to high tech in TX.

Are Republican donations that low overall in the country? All the rich people are now exclusively in the Democratic camp?  I knew lots were, especially SV, but I really thought that some of the banking and Wall Street interests would have been putting money into congressional campaigns.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 03, 2020, 08:53:38 PM
Apparently some Silicon Valley executive donated 11+ million dollars

Silicon valley can kiss my *ss (using colorful language since its election night).   I'm unplugged completely from google, FB etc since watching the documentary "Social dilemma."  Very good film.  If Biden wins, they're largely 'to blame.

As I recall, election night 2016 mid evening, Trump was behind.  It was later in the night that the Miracle happened.  Voris dancing on his desk.   :pray1:

Michigan looking good. PA and Wisconsin tight with Trump ahead. NC is somewhat worrying. Real tight.

By this count, Biden is at 89 and Trump 72. If Trump wins Georgia, where he is leading with about half the vote counted, he comes to 88. If he get's Florida's 29 votes, he comes to 117. Trump is closer to closing out Texas, although the race is still uneasily close there.

Edit: Trump should win Florida. Ahead by 350 thousand votes with 91% precincts reporting.

https://youtu.be/UgTO4OR7nBM

AZ is the big concern. Michigan looks solid. AZ results are weird. Showing over 70percent counted with solid Biden lead. They are western State. Possible glitch.

Quote from: christulsa on November 03, 2020, 09:01:58 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 03, 2020, 08:53:38 PM
Apparently some Silicon Valley executive donated 11+ million dollars

Silicon valley can kiss my *ss (using colorful language since its election night).   I'm unplugged completely from google, FB etc since watching the documentary "Social dilemma."  Very good film.  If Biden wins, they're largely 'to blame.

As I recall, election night 2016 mid evening, Trump was behind.  It was later in the night that the Miracle happened.  Voris dancing on his desk.   :pray1:

You may want SV to just go away, but they are not about to.  They are a huge power factor in this country, and their power is likely to get larger, not smaller.  So it would be a good idea for all of us to pay attention to them, no matter how much any of us may despise them.

Google says 131 to 108 currently.

These five states look good for Trump.

North Carolina, 15V, 92%R, Trump ahead by 55K votes.
Ohio, 18V, 87%R, Trump ahead by 250K votes.
Pennsylvania, 20V, 38%R, Trump ahead by 300K votes.
Texas, 38V. 71%R, Trump ahead by 350K votes
Wisconsin, 10V,49%R, Trump ahead by 50K votes.

Missouri was just called for Trump. And Illinois for Biden. As expected. No surprises.

Combined 101 votes. That gets Trump to around 210. 60 more needed beside these.

Some good news. Repubs should hold the Senate. More pro-life judges if Trump wins. Looks like Wisc and Michigan will go for Trump. That's also good news. Biden needs to win PAn AZ, and NC at this point. Trump currently leading in PA and NC.

What are the chances we find out tonight about the battleground states, especially Pennsylvania and Florida?   (edit: just saw Florida was called for Trump!)
Enough to draw a conclusion as to who is the probable winner?  If a good chance, I'll stay up late.  If not, I'll go to bed at my regular bedtime.  I need my beauty sleep.  (edit: but this could be one of the most important nights of our lives)

Trump won Florida. Trump doing great in Mich and Wisc. I think Trump has won it.

It comes down to PA and NC. Trump ahead in both. NC at 95% counted. Troublesome news that PA vote count halted. Trump has solid lead in PA.

Biden all of a sudden up to 209 to Trump's 118. California just reported.

I think Trump has a path to 270. The states I mentioned got Trump to 209.

If he gets Florida, 29, and Michigan, 16 along with Georgia, 16, that does it.

209+29+16+16=270! Just enough to win. He doesn't need any other State.

I think it's going to very exciting, but indeed Trump will get through and win.

Edit: Trump is also ahead in the popular vote, though it's early, by 2 million.

Biden just won Arizona.  70 electoral votes ahead.  Seems still up in the air which way this goes.   I'm staying up late. 

Recheck your math. 118, not 209. Trump won Florida and will win Wisc and Mich. Trump needs either NC or PA. Currently leading both. We will likely lose AZ. Demographics will destroy us in the end but we should get a 4 year reprieve. Trump should win with around 290.

You only need to watch NC and PA.

I think I'm too nervous to stay up late.  It's just my mood, but it's been daunting me all day, this feeling of unease.  You guys are troopers to keep at it.  I'm so nervous that I think I'm going to bed soon (quite uncharacteristic of me), only because it may still be undecided several hours from now, even without the expected challenges, and then that will leave me anxious which will affect my sleep at that late stage.

I'll check back a few times before bed, but I doubt a winner will be declared tonight (by the media or the campaigns, I mean).  Previously I predicted between 304 and 308 for Trump, but I lack confidence right now.  It's probably just emotional exhaustion.  At least so far there doesn't seem to be rioting.

Trump just won Ohio.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 03, 2020, 10:46:47 PM
I think I'm too nervous to stay up late.  It's just my mood, but it's been daunting me all day, this feeling of unease.  You guys are troopers to keep at it.  I'm so nervous that I think I'm going to bed soon (quite uncharacteristic of me), only because it may still be undecided several hours from now, even without the expected challenges, and then that will leave me anxious which will affect my sleep at that late stage.

I'll check back a few times before bed, but I doubt a winner will be declared tonight (by the media or the campaigns, I mean).  Previously I predicted between 304 and 308 for Trump, but I lack confidence right now.  It's probably just emotional exhaustion.  At least so far there doesn't seem to be rioting.

I'm partly staying up late posting because I may very well lose my wager to G, so these may be my last words.  I admire your knowledge, zeal, and love of our Catholic faith, M.  Come what may in the hours ahead...

Quote from: christulsa on November 03, 2020, 10:49:48 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 03, 2020, 10:46:47 PM
I think I'm too nervous to stay up late.  It's just my mood, but it's been daunting me all day, this feeling of unease.  You guys are troopers to keep at it.  I'm so nervous that I think I'm going to bed soon (quite uncharacteristic of me), only because it may still be undecided several hours from now, even without the expected challenges, and then that will leave me anxious which will affect my sleep at that late stage.

I'll check back a few times before bed, but I doubt a winner will be declared tonight (by the media or the campaigns, I mean).  Previously I predicted between 304 and 308 for Trump, but I lack confidence right now.  It's probably just emotional exhaustion.  At least so far there doesn't seem to be rioting.

I'm partly staying up late posting because I may very well lose my wager to G, so these may be my last words.  I admire your knowledge, zeal, and love of our Catholic faith, M.  Come what may in the hours ahead...

Ah.  That's sweet.  That means a lot to me.  Thank you.

And yes, I did forget about these wagers -- perhaps more than one that have been started on SD.

TX was also just called for Trump, if anyone noticed.
:)

AP shows 223 to 145. They just included Ohio. They haven't counted Texas yet.

Adding Texas brings it to 223 to 183. 223 to 212 if Florida goes as expected.

Adding Georgia would bring it to 228. Iowa was just called for President Trump.

That's 6 votes. So we can say the expectation is now at 223 to 234 with 81 votes left.

He has already won Florida by 300,000 votes. All the matters are Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Trump needs to win one of those. He's leading both. Nevada is in play also but way too early. If Trump wins Nevada he also wins. The fun begins tomorrow when the Dems try to steal the election via fraud.

CBC is saying that Fox gave Arizona to Biden too early, with just 76% reporting.  58% Biden - 45.8 Trump.  CBC says they won't give it to Biden yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

Right. Trump Tally updated to 212 with Florida and Texas added.

States left are: North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada.

Biden gets to 234 if Arizona is his. AP hasn't called it yet. The Guardian tally is the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

Some maps don't align with Xavier's numbers.  I have 213 for Trump,with MT having come in recently.  He needs 57 (or 58 if you go with Xavier), and with 85 votes still outstanding, it's difficult to believe that Trump doesn't have 57 of those.

Good night. Zzz

Good night.  Good idea.

Still got Alaska and Hawaii too.

yeah it's time for bed for me too.  last minute analysis:  Trump hasn't won this yet.  too early to draw that conclusion, imo.  though looks likely.  with or without fraud, Biden justs needs 32 more electoral votes.  it'll come down to the mail-in ballots, and what % of those can be shown to be fraudulent.

It's down to four states according to Newsmax: Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. He's leading quite a bit in Pennsylvania, almost a million in fact. Georgia is up in the air for some reason. But Michigan (which was a surprise to me) and Wisconsin both look good as well. The rub is that according to Newsmax Trump has to sweep the other three if Biden takes Georgia (again, I'm not entirely sure how that's possibly in play).

Personally, I'm liking Trump's odds, even if it's closer than it should have been. Some of it may be shenanigans, but I suspect at least some of it was self inflicted damage. Trump's lack of a filter while talking or tweeting is a double edged sword. It wins him battles, but wounds him sometimes too.

That's been my observation.

Its 8 a.m. in Ireland

Why is CNN saying Trump 213 to Biden 220?


If Biden wins its fraud. 

We originally had Wisconsin for Trump, sadly now with 98.45% of the vote in

they have Biden ahead, very tight.... I thought it was a done deal.

But there is still hope! Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes.

I think Milwaukee is all in, so the remaining votes could be in areas that Trump

won last time. :pray2:

North Carolina is in 100% & it should go for Trump=15 electoral votes!

And Georgia has counted 99.44% of the vote with Trump ahead, should go to Trump=

16 electoral votes! As of 6:12 AM EST

Thank you, Dear Lord! :pray3:

Well, it is down to Pennsylvania & Michigan  :pray2:

Both of these Governors despise President Trump

& the PA AG claimed prior to the elections that the Dems had already won.

PA has 20 electoral votes.
Michigan has 16 electoral votes.
Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes.

:pray2:

Right now Electoral Count is Biden 238, Trump 213. A lot of uncounted mail-in votes which tend to favor Biden 2 to 1. At least according to the press.

Go to bed and Wisconsin is heavy for Trump and Michigan also.  Pollster basically says it is impossible for Biden to win.

Wake up and Wisconsin is for Biden and Mich is tied.  So theft one is complete.

They also shutdown vote counting in Philadelphia early to see how the western part of the State would go.  Dems are trying to steal Pennsylvania, where Trump is up big.  Expect Philadelphia to discover a lot of ballots. 

And then Biden will become President.

Note Arizona likely is a legitimate win for Biden.  Too many anchor babies turning 18 in that State. 

So it comes down to how good Trump's lawyers are in Wisconsin, Mich,  and PA.  Also expect Dems to do some insurance in NC and GA.  However they have Repub governors.

As I stated, how do you handicap whether the dems can steal the election?  Trump won but Biden could be sworn in.

Slim possibility Trump could win Nevada ?

Yeah, Nevada might save us.  All the hotel and casino workers, heavy Dems, have lost a lot of jobs.  They are all pissed at the Dem governor.  It's possible.

It's over for Trump. I'm not holding my breath for miracles. Unless there's solid evidence of fraud, Biden is getting the win.

Quote from: christulsa on November 03, 2020, 10:49:48 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 03, 2020, 10:46:47 PM
I think I'm too nervous to stay up late.  It's just my mood, but it's been daunting me all day, this feeling of unease.  You guys are troopers to keep at it.  I'm so nervous that I think I'm going to bed soon (quite uncharacteristic of me), only because it may still be undecided several hours from now, even without the expected challenges, and then that will leave me anxious which will affect my sleep at that late stage.

I'll check back a few times before bed, but I doubt a winner will be declared tonight (by the media or the campaigns, I mean).  Previously I predicted between 304 and 308 for Trump, but I lack confidence right now.  It's probably just emotional exhaustion.  At least so far there doesn't seem to be rioting.

I've just come across your blog.  (I think it's you)  Hang in there and keep up the good work.

I'm partly staying up late posting because I may very well lose my wager to G, so these may be my last words.  I admire your knowledge, zeal, and love of our Catholic faith, M.  Come what may in the hours ahead...

Note the delta in other parties votes.  Wow, Michigan counts 200,000 votes in a row and it is 100% Biden:

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/michigan-steal--600x379.jpg)

Look at the discovery of All Democrat Votes in Wisconsin:

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-Data-Dump-11-4-morning-526x600.jpg)

And so it's over.  Trump, as I predicted long ago, will create a huge, and I mean bigly, media empire.  The sheeple will feel they still have a fight in them with Trump brand of News.  It will be the perfect cybernetic and televised ghetto ever known by man. 

The dems know nobody will be stood up and shot for screwing with the votes...after all, if you can't be arrested and prosecuted for setting fire to buildings and police cars and clobbering people over the head with boards, who's going to bother about a few little mix-ups on keeping track of 100,000,000 mail-in votes?

i mean, can anybody really be expected to get that right anyway?

If they really can't, then it becomes a matter of people in positions of power doing 'what has to be done'...
they'll be holding the mail-in ballots in reserve in pennsylvania until after all the republican votes have been added up... then they they'll know how many they need to win.... and they'll see to it they do...

you heard joe stalin – he doesn't care too much who votes, he cares a lot who counts the votes...
you're now living in the world of the corona virus hoax... and EVERYBODY in medicine knows it's a hoax, but it still continues...
how unreal have things become?

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4740dqLktqE[/yt]

QuoteTrump, as I predicted long ago, will create a huge, and I mean bigly, media empire.

Trump is a dead man.  He knows it, which is good.

Quote from: james03 on November 04, 2020, 10:01:55 AM

QuoteTrump, as I predicted long ago, will create a huge, and I mean bigly, media empire.

Trump is a dead man.  He knows it, which is good.

What do you mean? Dead as in really dead?

Hunter Biden's business partner is probably a dead man walking too?

Quote from: james03 on November 04, 2020, 09:26:19 AM
Note the delta in other parties votes.  Wow, Michigan counts 200,000 votes in a row and it is 100% Biden:

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/michigan-steal--600x379.jpg)

Look at the discovery of All Democrat Votes in Wisconsin:

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Wisconsin-Data-Dump-11-4-morning-526x600.jpg)

The usual Milwaukee ballot making machine, every election they find missing ballots, all Dem.  There will be legal challenges of course.  Need more prayers, its grim but not over yet.

Graham won in NC, so its likely going to Trump as the numbers already appear to show

Someone posted this online:

"It appears that in Wisconsin with the added votes, they may have more total votes than registered voters."

If the above is true, then there is hope that it can be challenged legally, right?  :pray1:

QuoteWhat do you mean? Dead as in really dead?

Life in prison.  Ruined business.  The left wants to completely humiliate him to send a signal.  He's used to NY politics, so he probably has retained enough blackmail dirt to protect himself and his family.  One option is to investigate him, indict him for crimes, and then Kamala will pardon him.  So you humiliate him without triggering the blackmail avalanche.  He'll keep his family safe.  This is played out over and over again in communist countries. 

QuoteHunter Biden's business partner is probably a dead man walking too?

Hunter?  Who's Hunter?  Is that that guy they were talking about awhile ago?  Vaguely remember Biden has a kid who was out of control  Drugs.  Sad story, but somewhat common nowadays.  Hunter is perfectly safe.

Quote from: james03 on November 04, 2020, 10:01:55 AM

QuoteTrump, as I predicted long ago, will create a huge, and I mean bigly, media empire.

Trump is a dead man.  He knows it, which is good.

James, could you please elaborate on the above. What do you mean?

Voter Fraud in Arizona:

Dems making Republicans use sharpies not pens so their vote will not be counted.

Machines will not read Sharpie Pens – only Ball-Points

This invalidates votes. Listen to the video provided.


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/voter-fraud-in-arizona-maricopa-county-others/

Trump can come and stay with me and my wife in our Nipa hut.  After my mom passes one day (shes's 85), we hope to move just north of here, IF our financial plan works out.  You all can join me.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Guindulman,+Bohol,+Philippines/@9.8211289,123.9927069,10z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x33aa0981c0f3d901:0xe96650425be96d74!8m2!3d9.7794424!4d124.4752715

Will have a pig farm, online physical therapy business teaching CEU's, investments, and I'll come back to the US as needed for travel therapy jobs.  Don't tell anyone.   ;)   

Btw, this verse came to mind when I woke up this morning:

[11] The burden of Duma calleth to me out of Seir: Watchman, what of the night? watchman, what of the night? [12] The watchman said: The morning cometh, also the night: if you seek, seek: return, come.

Wisconsin fraud:

Total Number of registered voters: 3,129,000

Total Number of votes cast: 3,239,920

B2DB3AAF-5359-4190-AA0E-B148268CFB29.jpeg   11-04-2020 08:56 AM

I saw the above on twitter, but cannot get the link to work here...

It was posted under Mike Coudrey's twitter page.

https://archive.is/aLQkp

I feel better about Trump's chances right now than i did yesterday morning.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/03/discuss-election-day/

QuoteJames, could you please elaborate on the above. What do you mean?

The left is driven by demonic hatred.  IF Trump loses, he won't be allowed to walk away unscathed.  The left knows down deep that they are worthless.  They can't produce value.  The only power they have is to destroy.  We are children of Light, Life, Value, Production, Truth, and Beauty.  They worship death.  It is the only way they can live with themselves.

That's the philosophical answer.  In practical terms, they have to keep the narrative alive, and that means going after Trump.  He has the blackmail material, so they will work something out where he and his family are protected, but he suffers some disgrace.

Trump hasn't lost yet, but the vote stealing operation is running.   Another option, invalidate the elections and then the Democrat House picks the President.

"So Trump was winning MI & WI by a solid lead, the vote count gets paused,

then Biden jumps 200k votes in MI overnight without adding a single vote to

Trump or 3rd party candidates.

Meanwhile Wisconsin which magically shifted blue has more votes counted than registered voters."

https://twitter.com/millie__weaver/status/1324009950176268290?s=11

This is trending.

Do you still think Fox is good?  Tucker Carlson and several presenters, yes, but Fox.  Nope, pure evil.

The Dems are Trying to STEAL the Election But They Will FAIL!!!
(Just the title of the video. I am not sure I believe that right now; today is a DARK day)

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aOnnagl21Y[/yt]

Rush just reported the WI fraud.

If the House picks the president, they go by # of states not congressmen on either side, so the Republicans would have the advantage.

Quote from: christulsa on November 04, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Rush just reported the WI fraud.

Reports are now coming in from multiple states of dead people voting in record numbers, guess who they voted for, hint, it wasn't a 3rd party.  The Dems after 4 years still have not learnt that a losing underdog Trump is a very dangerous animal indeed, I stand by my previous statements that this will not end until the Dem fraud machine is stripped naked for the American people to see.

Quote from: drummerboy on November 04, 2020, 12:50:50 PM

Quote from: christulsa on November 04, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Rush just reported the WI fraud.

Reports are now coming in from multiple states of dead people voting in record numbers, guess who they voted for, hint, it wasn't a 3rd party.  The Dems after 4 years still have not learnt that a losing underdog Trump is a very dangerous animal indeed, I stand by my previous statements that this will not end until the Dem fraud machine is stripped naked for the American people to see.

Let's pray about the bolded, people.  Let us make sacrifices today.

There is a lot more in the link below:


https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html


President of the United States 4 Year Term (1) Position   76/83 Counties
Votes   Percent   
Democratic
Biden, Joseph R.   1,766,413   46.18%   

Republican
Trump, Donald J.   2,000,121   52.29%   

Libertarian
Jorgensen, Jo   42,648   1.11%   

US Taxpayers
Blankenship, Don   4,965   0.13%   

Green
Hawkins, Howie   9,027   0.24%   

Natural Law
De La Fuente, Rocky   1,961   0.05%   

Total Votes:   3,825,135      

P.S: Mike, please try the link now. Thanks :)

Trump's campaign manager will be asking for a recount in Wisconsin.

They gave (stole) Wisconsin to Biden  :(

P.S: The previous post I wrote is regarding Michigan.

(https://off-guardian.org/wp-content/medialibrary/sean-davis-twitter-warning.jpg?x91011)

Quote from: Christe Eleison on November 04, 2020, 01:50:27 PM
There is a lot more in the link below:

https://mielections.us/election/resu...0GEN_CENR.html

...

You can't go to the page from this link because the link is shortened with the 3 dots, ...  It takes you to "404 Not Found".

If Trump really has a 250,000 vote lead in Michigan and a 300,000 vote lead in Pennsylvania, he should win.

He also needs to challenge the vote in Arizona since it has a Repub governor.  He'll get a fairer shake there.

It's not over yet.

Stolen Ballots Found Under a Rock On Side Of Road In Glendale, Arizona


GLENDALE – The Attorney General's Office (AGO) and the Glendale Police Department (Glendale PD) said they delivered more than a dozen stolen ballots back to Glendale residents.

On Friday afternoon, a worker located a stack of unopened mail-in ballots hidden under a rock located off 99th and Glendale avenues. The individual contacted the Glendale Police Department and responding officers located 18 ballots. According to investigators, the ballots were stolen from individual mailboxes in a neighborhood just south of 107th and Northern avenues (in between Vista Avenue and Kaler Drive). The envelopes were still sealed.

On Saturday, AGO agents and Glendale PD hand-delivered the ballots back to the registered voters. It is possible there are additional victims. The motive for stealing the ballots is presently unknown. The investigation is ongoing and no arrests have been made.

Anyone with information regarding this specific incident in Glendale is encouraged to submit tips to the Attorney General's Election Integrity Unit online or by emailing EIU@azag.gov.

Comments:

Thomas Austin
There needs to be a full re-election in AZ. to may things looking wrong.
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David Scoular
Im british and was very interested in this election. I watched it all unfold. Trump was winning big, the bookmaker also noticed and changed their odds to trump at 1/4 , then the big robbery took place. There is no democracy just thieves and robber barons. On a side note I would suggest that everybody who voted for trump should be able to text him and then we can see the real numbers.
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Richard Beck-Boudreaux
David Scoular you sound a bit fascist
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Theca Cardoso
Isso é um absurdo.

https://breaking911.com/stolen-ballots-found-under-a-rock-on-side-of-road-in-glendale-arizona/

Quote from: mikemac on November 04, 2020, 02:06:33 PM

Quote from: Christe Eleison on November 04, 2020, 01:50:27 PM
There is a lot more in the link below:

https://mielections.us/election/resu...0GEN_CENR.html

...

You can't go to the page from this link because the link is shortened with the 3 dots, ...  It takes you to "404 Not Found".

Mike, I am sorry. That is so odd... I copied & pasted the above from that link.
I will try & find it again & post it later on.

Thanks for the heads up. :)

Just think, this might end up being decided by SC Justice Barrett.  The irony that would be.

We were made for these times.  Bless up.  :pray2:

https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html


Mike, Please try the link now. It worked for me :)

The most flagrant part of this fraud is how they're refusing to declare Alaska, Georgia, and North Carolina for Trump : just to keep him down at 214 votes all day, and make the gap between him and Biden seem as large as possible for as long as possible, so that the coming Biden steal appears more legitimate. Disgusting.

(https://i.imgur.com/3zSEkCU.jpg)

Trump is bypassing the mainstream media and publicly declaring that he's gotten sufficient numbers of electoral college votes to win the election and the presidency.

This is basically a declaration of civil war by Trump vs. the media / establishment.

Quote from: John Lamb on November 04, 2020, 05:34:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3zSEkCU.jpg)

Trump is bypassing the mainstream media and publicly declaring that he's gotten sufficient numbers of electoral college votes to win the election and the presidency.

This is basically a declaration of civil war by Trump vs. the media / establishment.

As a monarchist, this is fine with me, but this illegitimizing of the electoral process should be sobering for all, and cause us to reflect on the unettling irony of this cognitive dissonance:

(https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Alex-on-Twitter-SecPompeo-I-just-started-reading-and-thought-you-were-talking-about-America-Then-I-ve-read-Tanzania-haha-Twitter.jpg)

This I found from a blog called Lame Cherry.  I think this pretty much sums it up. 

The Courts, the police, the media, Congress, etc., will all tell Trump to pound sand. 

Massive Biden Vote Fraud (http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/11/massive-biden-vote-fraud.html)

As another Lame Cherry exclusive in matter anti matter.

You did notice in the fraud Mitch McConnell and Gay Ear Graham, and the rest of these Rhino that none of them had vote fraud going on so they lost their seats, but Donald Trump certainly has his election stolen.

I'm going to address realities here. Rush Limbaugh can keep all of you from arming yourselves in revolt, like Mike Pence in saying they are on the road to victory, but the fact is Donald Trump has appealed to the lower courts and Supreme Courts and those courts caused this election theft.

I have already stated they used e votes, and those my dears do not leave a paper trail to check, so how is Limbaugh going to get to the bottom of something, which is sanctioned by politicians, sanctioned by the police state, sanctioned by the media, and all President Trump has, is he was ahead in every race from Virginia to Minnesota, from Arizona to Michigan and in the wee hours of the night, hundreds of thousands of Biden votes manifested for Biden's victory. 

So you understand this, there are no close states in this. The cartel which stole this election, made certain there were not Florida hanging chads in recounts. Donald Trump is not going to find bags of votes for him to overcome this election fraud and the fraud by Biden is not going to leave a trace.

When this blog stated that trucks full of votes for Biden had already been manufactured a month ago, this is what I was talking about.

I simply did make the mistake in I never thought this would be this mountain size and obvious in millions of votes across these states.

Livid Limbaugh Confident Trump Going To Win
Biggest Vote Fraud EVER? - MI 'Finds' 138,339 Ballots
AND EVERY SINGLE ONE IS FOR BIDEN - Treason
Trump Is Poised To Win The Election - But Now
He Has To Stop The Theft Of MI And WI
Millions Of Illegal Non-citizen voters trying to put
Communist Democrats in power - Massive Effort
To Steal Election From American Citizens
Trump Campaign To Immediately Seek WI
Recount Citing 'Reports Of Irregularities'
GOP Wins Key Senate Races, Still Hold Majority
At Least One Runoff Will Be Held
Portland Communists Vow 'If Trump Wins We
Must Go On The Attack - The Protests Must
End And The Insurrection Must Begin'
Trump Says 'We Did Win This Election'
Plans To Go To The Supreme Court

For those of you trusting in the Supreme Court, remember Bunghole John Roberts was in on this from the start. Remember that Goddamn Catholic that Trump just put onto the court when she could have saved Trump, she recused herself.

Do you really think Amy Barrett is going to vote on this or will it be her recusing herself and Bunghole Roberts having his 4 to 4 tie, which means Joe Biden is installed.

Everyone one of these Secretary of State's offices will tell Trump to pound sand.

The State courts will tell Trump to pound sand.

The Federal courts will tell Trump to pound sand and John Roberts will tell Trump to pound sand.

You can't undo a fraud election when the entire system is protecting the crooks.

So you get this, last night you were lied to and told this was too close to call, to give the fraud votes the place to cycle through. Now Pence and Limbaugh are telling you that you are winning, with everything stacked against Donald Trump. All of this is wear your resistance out so you will just roll over and accept it.

I will guarantee you that feelers are already in to Donald Trump that Joe Biden promises not to prosecute him or his children if he just fades into the night.

You are going to have to accept these high crimes like a pedo gang raping your kid in front of your eyes, as there is not a damn thing you can do about it, because if you are stupid, they will throw your ass in jail and if you are stupid you might be the first Hutatree twerp shot down by the BATFE as a Trump supporter just as Obama and Holder were making examples of Americans.

If Donald Trump somehow got through this, MAGA is dead. Romney and Collins will vote democrat so that ends every thing Donald Trump said he is, from Supreme Court nominees to restoring America.

I simply will not be suckered with these Pence and Limbaugh stories, as I witnessed the Goddamn media pull this shit in baiting Romney voters in Florida with hope he might win the election, when they knew the fix was in. That is what this is all about, they will torture you in this psychological warfare and enjoy it.

I care to focus on reality. The economy is going to implode. Wall Street will implode. With Biden in charge, NATO, Russia, China and Iran will roll Biden until he has nothing else, and then they will pull the plug on America.

With Pelosi in the House, communists in the White House, the fraud GOP led by Romney will pass meaningful gun confiscation, re install Obamacare penalties, spike taxes to own your soul, and reset the entire country from land ownership to energy non production.

You have not seen inflation and price spikes which will come.

That is what I am preparing for, in I started stockpiling food, not for 6 months, but am beginning a process for 7 years.

You have a pedophile Biden and the California legalization of child rape will become national law. They ar coming for your children and grandchildren and while you are placing your trust in fairytales , the real nightmare prevails.

Donald Trump has only one chance if he was serious. He is not going to get any help from the courts, the police, the military or media. That one chance is mobilizing his 60 million armed supporters, tell them they are all federalized, all protected from arrest, and that they are to protect his Presidency from a criminal overthrow, because that is what this is.

None of this is for you to decide. You start spouting off and you will end up in jail or dead.Your job is to as Israel said, "To your tents", you got to protect yourselves and figure out how to survive in the gulag. This is Obama 2.0 and as I have not inquired, I doubt the Shin Bet behind Donald Trump is playing this out to this extreme to get a list to hang millions of crooks who pulled this election theft off.

Biden and the cartel did not get away with this, as in the brier patch, everyone was subdued. They all knew this was election theft and people were staying home or downcast as they know that hope has been stolen from them.

I suspect that there will be a crash, Biden will digital currency to say it is to control monetary policy, but it will be absolute control in seizing rich people's coin and depositing starvation wages into accounts for the coming DNA mandatory Fauci vaccinations.

Oh and Donald Trump did win 360 electoral votes before the vote fraud.

Nuff Said

Quote from: Innocent Smith on November 04, 2020, 06:06:58 PMYou can't undo a fraud election when the entire system is protecting the crooks.

This is the summary statement.

In a way, this is a MASSIVE win for Trump. The fact that they have to go to these lengths shows a hell of a lot. But mainly, the way this will demoralise Americans and their belief in democracy is far costlier than another 4 more years of Trump could ever be. I can't believe how stupidly hysterical, impatient, and arrogant the globalists are. They are that mad they couldn't just wait 4 more years? They have to stamp any kind of reaction in the face? Some good that will do, it will only breed a harder reaction some years down the line . . . Absolutely stupid. The last 4 years have shown me how arrogant and incompetent our ruling class are and how destined they are to fall by their own hubris not too long from now. What fools.

Biden may never concede, but I, Christulsa, do formally call this election - Trump has been re-elected for the next 4 years!!!!! 

Trump must refuse to concede, call the generals, and prepare to relocate his administration post 1/23.

I nominate Tulsa for his relocation. Perfect spot. Plus Okies are his top supporters. Yessir.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1324057637856534528

Log onto SD, lo and behold the usual trad doomsayers are doing their thing. This is far from over, and Trump may even still win on the straight count. But he has an army of lawyers, a prima facie case for massive electoral fraud, and a supreme court featuring three of his own appointees. They may cuck, but there are at least respectable odds they won't. If you're American, let your family, friends, neighbours, and political representatives know the truth about what's happening. There may be a very bitter cup in the near future, there may not be. Remain calm and steadfast, praying and trusting in God.

Ironic humor escapes some people sometimes.  :P

Revolver has a plan for how Trump can hold on.

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/president-trump-must-stop-the-steal/

Quote from: Christe Eleison on November 04, 2020, 04:48:00 PM
https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html


Mike, Please try the link now. It worked for me :)

Yeah that's got it.  Thanks.

This is showing that the Michigan Election Results was updated on 11/4/2020 @ 9:37 PM with Trump 51.44% - Biden 46.99%.

Why does it not jive with this?  Biden 50.5% - Trump 48%.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

Quote from: Christe Eleison on November 04, 2020, 04:48:00 PM
https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html


Mike, Please try the link now. It worked for me :)

I know so-called fact checking sites are sometimes left-leaning but here's one talking about a temporary vote count glitch in MI due to a clerical error. I haven't studied this but it might  be pertinent.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/04/fact-check-typo-led-false-post-michigan-votes-biden/6164385002/

Stupidity, sloppy voting laws, human errors .. and actual fraud,  all possibly causes of problems.

I don't have so much certainty of Trump's popularity or God's plans to rule out the possibility that Biden could have won by legitimate voting - after discarding fraudulent data. Maybe the majority have been that corrupted by the media's liberalism and Trump-hatred and more younger people and others are voting then ever before because of mail voting.


But I'm praying for these fears to be false and for Trump to show how he indeed won.

Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2020, 09:20:11 PM
Revolver has a plan for how Trump can hold on.

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/president-trump-must-stop-the-steal/

I like it.

I hung a Trump sign on the side of my house.  Leftist landlord made us take it down (pretty sure illegal).  And some wacko left a death threat in front of our house.  And the girl renting upstairs has an Antifa sign in the front window saying "Abolish the police" which the landlord was okay with when I mentioned it (she probably reported my sign).

We must be angry and fight this.

This thread is one method.  I wouldn't be surprised if players like Bannon or ++Vigano are reading it. 

It's not about having subjective certainty of Trump's popularity. It was simply watching the election events unfold live and understanding what it means when they "stop counting for the night" at 11 pm in liberal counties of battleground states. (Hint: it means there is bullshit afoot.)

Enough of this crap. Time to send senile Joe, crazy Kamala, Hitlery and Obummers back to the shithole they crawled out of. They deserve nothing more than sewer cleaning jobs in Bangladesh.

SEVEN Milwaukee Wards Report More Presidential Votes than Registered Voters —

State Voter Turnout Is Nearly 90% Which Is Virtually Impossible


By Jim Hoft
Published November 4, 2020 at 3:46pm

841 Comments

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/seven-milwaukee-wards-report-presidential-votes-registered-voters-state-voter-turnout-nearly-90-virtually-impossible/

Comments on article above:

"What is the statistical probability that out of 100,000+ votes counted after hours, all of them go to one candidate? #Election2020"

"And Twitter has now suspended Derek Ducks account after he brought attention to the ballot dumps in Wisconsin and Michigan in Biden's favor."

"Republicans control the WI state legislature. In the case of a bad election like this one they are constitutionally empowered to appoint presidential electors and ignore the vote count. They should do so and grant the electors to Trump."

"88% turnout? no way"

"For every comment people make on this, they should make 1 phone and 1 email to their representatives and senators. Don't spend all your free time like this...shout it to every rep."


If I am not mistaken, Republicans control the Wisconsin & Michigan state legislatures,

so like the above comment states, they are constitutionally empowered to appoint

presidential electors & ignore the vote count.

The question is, will they be brave enough to do the right thing ?  :pray3:

At this stage, it's out of our hands. Either Trump will prevail or he won't. There's very little I can do about it. So I'll pray for the nation and continue with my life.

It seems like a cop out, but remember that Trump and his team knew more than anyone that this was coming. They're as prepared as they can be and ready to fight.

https://okietraditionalist.blogspot.com/2020/11/okie-trad-nominates-tulsa-as-site-for.html

https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/the-dems-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-but-they-will-fail?utm_campaign=ttemail20201104&utm_medium=ttemail20201104&_hsmi=99074306&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9orq9AooSAD8kpM9MlHA85IqJM0l6XJMOVyikFIizQvtg2qAQH0EFTvcxcY5QetXje2Nev98LEdT-RU3p9CwE6wZaA_kz3kcOZoG4BJ0IdWQFeaso&utm_source=ttemail20201104

Interesting.

Star Spangled Banner - minor (sad) version

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfDDTBlzm5c[/yt]

ELECTION FRAUD  (skip to 4.50 to avoid the music at the beginning)

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TL9mrr6dx0[/yt]

No good putting election officials in jail or letting them plea bargain.

It has to be a capital crime or people will never trust elections again.  7 years in jail? Big deal !   People do more time than that for stealing $100,000 in an armed robbery.

Fixing elections is a far greater evil than flying planes into the world trade center.   You tear the structure of society apart and not just in the USA but in every democracy around the world.  Trust is critical to the peaceful transfer of power.

To solve this you need a Nuremberg trial and a hanging like Saddam Hussein got.  300 million people have been disenfranchised and at least 100 million care about that.  That surely requires the death of the traitors.

Quote from: Christe Eleison on November 04, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
SEVEN Milwaukee Wards Report More Presidential Votes than Registered Voters —

State Voter Turnout Is Nearly 90% Which Is Virtually Impossible


By Jim Hoft
Published November 4, 2020 at 3:46pm

841 Comments

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/seven-milwaukee-wards-report-presidential-votes-registered-voters-state-voter-turnout-nearly-90-virtually-impossible/

Comments on article above:

"What is the statistical probability that out of 100,000+ votes counted after hours, all of them go to one candidate? #Election2020"

"And Twitter has now suspended Derek Ducks account after he brought attention to the ballot dumps in Wisconsin and Michigan in Biden's favor."

"Republicans control the WI state legislature. In the case of a bad election like this one they are constitutionally empowered to appoint presidential electors and ignore the vote count. They should do so and grant the electors to Trump."

"88% turnout? no way"

"For every comment people make on this, they should make 1 phone and 1 email to their representatives and senators. Don't spend all your free time like this...shout it to every rep."


If I am not mistaken, Republicans control the Wisconsin & Michigan state legislatures,

so like the above comment states, they are constitutionally empowered to appoint

presidential electors & ignore the vote count.

The question is, will they be brave enough to do the right thing ?  :pray3:

I can answer a definitive no for WI, the house and senate leaders both refused to call sessions to challenge dictator tony's covid mandates, they're sitting around like little boys, they won't do anything now

Watching Jesus 911 on Youtube.  Jesse Romero describing how they gave voters (including himself) Sharpies to fill in ballots instead of bllpoint pens.  (Maricopa County, Arizona)

Quote from: Greg on November 05, 2020, 08:56:00 AM
No good putting election officials in jail or letting them plea bargain.

It has to be a capital crime or people will never trust elections again.  7 years in jail? Big deal !   People do more time than that for stealing $100,000 in an armed robbery.

Fixing elections is a far greater evil than flying planes into the world trade center.   You tear the structure of society apart and not just in the USA but in every democracy around the world.  Trust is critical to the peaceful transfer of power.

To solve this you need a Nuremberg trial and a hanging like Saddam Hussein got.  300 million people have been disenfranchised and at least 100 million care about that.  That surely requires the death of the traitors.

Greg, don't tell me you've become a conspiracy theorist.

Because we know what you think of people like that.

If you truly believe that the Dems are fixing the election result, then in the eyes of the world you may as well be wearing a tinfoil hat. 

How does it feel?

It is not a theory.  People are finding dead their relatives have voted democrat by checking on line.

750,000 ballots suddenly found uncounted in PA when there were supposed to be 500k left to count.

Ballots arriving in the middle of the night from a Chrysler 300 and a Ferrari in Detroit.

These are facts.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 05, 2020, 10:44:45 AM

Quote from: Greg on November 05, 2020, 08:56:00 AM
No good putting election officials in jail or letting them plea bargain.

It has to be a capital crime or people will never trust elections again.  7 years in jail? Big deal !   People do more time than that for stealing $100,000 in an armed robbery.

Fixing elections is a far greater evil than flying planes into the world trade center.   You tear the structure of society apart and not just in the USA but in every democracy around the world.  Trust is critical to the peaceful transfer of power.

To solve this you need a Nuremberg trial and a hanging like Saddam Hussein got.  300 million people have been disenfranchised and at least 100 million care about that.  That surely requires the death of the traitors.

Greg, don't tell me you've become a conspiracy theorist.

Because we know what you think of people like that.

If you truly believe that the Dems are fixing the election result, then in the eyes of the world you may as well be wearing a tinfoil hat. 

How does it feel?

Sure its too big of a con job for someone not to reveal it!!!   nutters. :)

This is more theatre, whomever gets elected, left or right will absolutely believe they have a mandate to go full civil war because their 'don' or 'joe' had the election stolen from them.

It was never about getting Trump or Joe elected, it was about creating the passionate divide and having a lit match at the fuse to fire the first canon to start a civil war.
Elesewhere and at around the same time the middle east will explode and Europes muslims will start slitting the throats of all Christians and then World bank will declare there is no more money, all economies will come to a stop.  Social Welfare miscreants will cause mayhem in their urban areas and then out of the ashes of western society will come the Peacemaker.....the antiChrist.

It's not over yet.

On one side Trump knows that they will come down on him hard, and more importantly his family, if Biden wins.

On the other, the Left knows they WILL be severely punished by a pissed off Trump with no reelection to worry about.  Do you think the only business deals on the Hunter laptop were limited to Joe Biden?  With BILLIONs of cash floating around do you think other Dem politicians got to dip their beak?

This will be a fight to the death type battle.  If Trump ends up winning, expect a massive response, likely from China.  This Turkey crap going on in Armenia is also likely a Plan B.  Luckily if Trump wins, he can openly align with Russia.

We are in VERY serious times.  Pray.

QuoteThese are facts.

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Quote from: james03 on November 05, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
It's not over yet.

On one side Trump knows that they will come down on him hard, and more importantly his family, if Biden wins.

On the other, the Left knows they WILL be severely punished by a pissed off Trump with no reelection to worry about.  Do you think the only business deals on the Hunter laptop were limited to Joe Biden?  With BILLIONs of cash floating around do you think other Dem politicians got to dip their beak?

This will be a fight to the death type battle.  If Trump ends up winning, expect a massive response, likely from China.  This Turkey crap going on in Armenia is also likely a Plan B.  Luckily if Trump wins, he can openly align with Russia.

We are in VERY serious times.  Pray.

This is reasonable.  But you forgot to include Covid, lockdowns, vaccines and at least one other possible scenario which I will call Plan C.

Trump concedes.  This results in assurances that he, nor his family, will be prosecuted for any crimes.  At least for anything prior to January 20, 2021. They may even throw him another bone indicating it is possible some cheating was going on but there is no way to go back and undo the master cluster 'you know what'. 

This also elicits praise from the vile media for the first time.  They say, "at the end of the day Trump showed he was indeed a true statesman".  And he helped to heal the country like a Patriot. 

Trump sets up his own privately owned media empire.  This insures the Yin and Yang, the Synthesis that allows conservatives to cry unfair while everything just ends up moving Left whenever the oligarchs find it necessary to do so. Our current media environment on steroids.  Think of it as a moving around of furnishings.  A fung shway, if you will, that will allow for greater anger on a deeper level about all things Deep State. 

What cracks me up about a lot of us on this board is that some of us have been opining for over 20 years about the virtual slavery we have existed in since we were able to think.  Being outside of the mainstream and a critic of it certainly helps us to see as troubling what most take as "just the way things are".  But here's the part that cracks me up.  Some of us seem surprised when we see actual manifestations of the evil about which we have been speaking of all these years. 

Vaccine will be ready soon, lockdown over, and the biggest Troll on the Bridge is removed from polite discourse.  At least in terms as POTUS. 

Stock market and everything else crashes.  Guaranteed incomes for all who don't want to work.  Or even as an augment to those who do wish to stay busy with a job.  Forgiveness of debt and forfeiture of any property attached to personal debt. 

Quote from: Greg on November 05, 2020, 08:56:00 AM
No good putting election officials in jail or letting them plea bargain.

It has to be a capital crime or people will never trust elections again.  7 years in jail? Big deal !   People do more time than that for stealing $100,000 in an armed robbery.

Fixing elections is a far greater evil than flying planes into the world trade center.   You tear the structure of society apart and not just in the USA but in every democracy around the world.  Trust is critical to the peaceful transfer of power.

To solve this you need a Nuremberg trial and a hanging like Saddam Hussein got.  300 million people have been disenfranchised and at least 100 million care about that.  That surely requires the death of the traitors.

Completely agree.  This is treachery and treason, the fraud that has been committed.  Without severe punishment, belief in not just our system but any democratic system is at stake.  (Just in case some of you lovers of replacement monarchies are thinking this is a good way to achieve your private goals, you would be wrong in this case, since any attempt at human monarchy would fail at this point.)  That said, I think inwardly and outwardly, a lot of Americans are craving the kind of unapologetic assertion of rightful authority that Trump shows.

We are supposed to be the beacon of free and fair elections for the rest of the world, especially for little countries struggling to come into their own democracies.  Shame on those corrupt and selfish officials and all of their co-conspirators for scandalizing the world. 

A true lover of freedom and justice does not want shenanigans on either side.  I have never wanted Trump to win illegally.  But it is impossible (it's happened in some precincts, counties, regions) that thousands -- not hundreds, thousands -- of votes would magically "turn up" 100% for either candidate, simply because it is evident that the country is deeply divided, and that this division extends to almost every region of every State.  Thus, even heavily Blue counties will have one or two Trump voters, and vice-versa. There simply isn't unanimity in any section of the electorate and hasn't been for over a hundred years.

Trump can't even beat a brain dead white male who is within 2 years of his death. Tells you everything you need to know.

Let the salty tears flow.   :rofl:

If I was Taiwan I would be processing that spent fuel from Chinshan Units 1 and 2 and Kuosheng Units 1 and 2 like crazy for the plutonium.

If they don't have a workable nuclear bomb design already existing they are a bunch of fools. They will deserve to be ruled by the CCP.

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 05, 2020, 11:51:36 AM

Trump can't even beat a brain dead white male who is within 2 years of his death. Tells you everything you need to know.

Let the salty tears flow.   :rofl:

The dead in the cemeteries evidently identified with a dying man. This is rigging. POTUS needs to go the SC, and after that maybe the put some of those Commies under ground, joining an eager constituency for Biden.

Quote from: Greg on November 05, 2020, 11:00:16 AM
It is not a theory.  People are finding dead their relatives have voted democrat by checking on line.

750,000 ballots suddenly found uncounted in PA when there were supposed to be 500k left to count.

Ballots arriving in the middle of the night from a Chrysler 300 and a Ferrari in Detroit.

These are facts.

That's what all conspiracy theorists say - that it's not a theory, it's a fact.

Face it, in the eyes of the world you have just put on a tinfoil hat. 

I haven't forgotten how you jeered when I suggested that the Scottish independence referendum had been rigged, which considering the numerous accounts of shady goings on during vote counting was entirely feasible.  Cathinfo, it was, and yes, I have a long memory.

This contradiction has also not slipped past me.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/05/were-supposed-to-believe-the-gop-had-a-great-election-night-except-for-president/

Anyone who has followed politics closely their whole lives would understand how impossible it is to believe the contradictory assertions in a Biden win amid the Republican gains in those same areas.  While it is true that we have had divided government before (Republican Congress, Democratic President, or vice-versa), what generally happened was that certain States voted one party, while other States did not. (Or, the popular vote in a State narrowly supported a Presidential candidate while smaller areas of the state voted in the House Representative of the opposing party.)

I also want to revert to what I said earlier about having grown up within a Democratic family and having, by the way, participated in Democratic efforts as a very naive teenager.  This is kind of natural because teens are the ultimate idealists and often find worldly practicality unnecessary or annoying.  That kind of "dreaming" is built into modern Democratic Party ideals -- and by modern I really mean much more 20th century than 21st.  The new so-called Democratic Party is a neo-Fascist party of control (i.e., hard, forceful, and uncompromising ideology).  However, the previous party was one of soft unrealism, built on a fantasy of promoting humanity as essentially good, without accounting for evil.

Note that there is still some of the latter in today's Democratic party, but now that soft element and voice is overshadowed by much more powerful and sinister forces, including, i.m.o., Satan himself and his many eager demons.

The soft wing of the party stretches back to the middle of the 20th century and was characterized by disorganization, born from that very romanticism which avoided accountability, details, and practical training.  (Why bother? was their motto)  "The big picture" was much more important.  Hence, the saying often joked about, quoting someone (I forget whom):  "I am not a member of any organized Party; I am a Democrat."

During those earlier years, it was not seen as important to follow procedures in the correct way.  There's a legacy of this in the party.  We can call it careless and a dereliction of duty, which it was, but it was all part of the party culture, and no one, including party leaders, got too exercised about it because, overall, they found it harmless.

It's not harmless, nor was it then, but obviously when it combines with outright corruption by those who are not carefree, young dreamers, but who know very well what they are doing and what their nefarious intentions are, then the effect is enormous.

So there are two dynamics going on here, this election week.  The most important factor, actually, is the incompetence, which is the legacy of the Democratic Party.  Just ask Florida Governor Rick Desantis, who has been on the news calmly explaining over the last week or two how/why his state is different (now -- not in 2000, when we had that election fiasco centered on Florida, followed by a trip to the Supreme Court for Bush v. Gore).  Desantis fired a couple of election officials as his first act when taking office; they were lousy administrators.  Lousy administrators can affiliate with any party, but they are more likely to come from a legacy of Democratic politics for the reasons I have explained.

Reported Wisconsin voter turnout in 2020 is so high that it can only be viewed as a virtual statistical impossibility. It's 5.5 standard deviations from the mean.  It's a black swan event. You'd never expect to see it in this world. This should be immediately investigated.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/WhctKJWJCWRLnCPwKJJmFkZNRvMDKKVkgrqfFwnmSkQjJgRkRVwJQtCRFJDPbQPcZJFGqnv

From Gateway Pundit.

Quote from: Frank on November 05, 2020, 01:32:35 PM
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/WhctKJWJCWRLnCPwKJJmFkZNRvMDKKVkgrqfFwnmSkQjJgRkRVwJQtCRFJDPbQPcZJFGqnv

From Gateway Pundit.

Link above does not work.  I think it points to your own email.

Besides who needs the trumpster, the Republicans kept the Senate! The Dems can't pack the Court!!!

Got rid of that son-in-law also.

Beautiful stalemate. See all is not lost.

QuoteAccording to the report, the grumbling "reflects a remarkable shift in internal Democratic thinking in the immediate wake of Tuesday's elections" - the reason: while Pelosi and Democratic leaders had promised to build on their majority — some estimates were in the double digits — but the early returns revealed a different reality: Not only did Democrats fail to protect a number of their most vulnerable members, they had not picked off a single Republican incumbent heading into Wednesday afternoon.  Instead, lawmakers were left "licking their wounds and questioning the messaging and strategy decisions heading into Tuesday's polls."

While Democrats will keep control of the House, and the results of many races remain unknown while votes are still counted, the party saw the defeat of at least seven of their front-line members — the sitting lawmakers in the toughest districts. And of the 38 "red-to-blue" districts they were eyeing as potential gains, Republicans have already won 21 and are leading in another 14.

Now brain dead Biden is in power. Anything and I mean anything goes wrong it is on him. The Gaffes are going to be monumental. Buyers remorse is going to settle in very quickly. Popcorn please.

Pray for the worst. China invades Taiwan, stock market crash, Covid-19 Revision 2.0 is more deadly, National Lockdown 2.0, etc.

Ted Cruz 2024   (Where did I put that Madeira Port now?)

There is truly a God in Heaven looking over us.

I truly believe this King W, we need to stop believing in Trump as the hero who is going to clean out the swamp.  It will only be through divine intervention at this stage and so it maybe that God removes Trump for us to re connect with out faith and put all our trust in Him.

Quote from: diaduit on November 05, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
I truly believe this King W, we need to stop believing in Trump as the hero who is going to clean out the swamp.  It will only be through divine intervention at this stage and so it maybe that God removes Trump for us to re connect with out faith and put all our trust in Him.

Who knew that human elections were about miraculous heroes?  (Hint: they're not, and I know zero American voters who believe such nonsense.)
:crazy2:

A parade of straw men from cynical Catholics who refuse to use the imperfect tools God gives us until His miraculous return.

Quote from: diaduit on November 05, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
I truly believe this King W, we need to stop believing in Trump as the hero who is going to clean out the swamp.  It will only be through divine intervention at this stage and so it maybe that God removes Trump for us to re connect with out faith and put all our trust in Him.

Once upon a time there was a man trapped on top of his house during a flood.  He kept praying for divine intervention.  Someone came in a canoe and offered to rescue him.  He said he would wait for a divine intervention.  Another neighbor came by in a pontoon boat offering help, but the man said he was waiting for God to help him.  And then a helicopter flew near him, offering to get him off the roof.  Again he insisted prayer would save him.  Sadly, he drowned in the flood.  When he appeared before the Pearly Gates, he asked God "God, why didn't you save me?  I kept praying to you."  God answered, "My son, I sent you a man in a canoe, another in a pontoon boat, and another in a helicopter."

(Trump is the man in the helicopter.   ;) )

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 05, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Besides who needs the trumpster, the Republicans kept the Senate! The Dems can't pack the Court!!!

Got rid of that son-in-law also.

Beautiful stalemate. See all is not lost.

QuoteAccording to the report, the grumbling "reflects a remarkable shift in internal Democratic thinking in the immediate wake of Tuesday's elections" - the reason: while Pelosi and Democratic leaders had promised to build on their majority — some estimates were in the double digits — but the early returns revealed a different reality: Not only did Democrats fail to protect a number of their most vulnerable members, they had not picked off a single Republican incumbent heading into Wednesday afternoon.  Instead, lawmakers were left "licking their wounds and questioning the messaging and strategy decisions heading into Tuesday's polls."

While Democrats will keep control of the House, and the results of many races remain unknown while votes are still counted, the party saw the defeat of at least seven of their front-line members — the sitting lawmakers in the toughest districts. And of the 38 "red-to-blue" districts they were eyeing as potential gains, Republicans have already won 21 and are leading in another 14.

Now brain dead Biden is in power. Anything and I mean anything goes wrong it is on him. The Gaffes are going to be monumental. Buyers remorse is going to settle in very quickly. Popcorn please.

Pray for the worst. China invades Taiwan, stock market crash, Covid-19 Revision 2.0 is more deadly, National Lockdown 2.0, etc.

Ted Cruz 2024   (Where did I put that Madeira Port now?)

There is truly a God in Heaven looking over us.

It's not over. You are going flat looney, dude. "Pray for the worst"? Really? What about Justice? About all of us who actually care and are getting robbed of our legitimate rights? Do you really even care about what's right?

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 05, 2020, 03:02:32 PM

Quote from: diaduit on November 05, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
I truly believe this King W, we need to stop believing in Trump as the hero who is going to clean out the swamp.  It will only be through divine intervention at this stage and so it maybe that God removes Trump for us to re connect with out faith and put all our trust in Him.

Who knew that human elections were about miraculous heroes?  (Hint: they're not, and I know zero American voters who believe such nonsense.)
:crazy2:

A parade of straw men from cynical Catholics who refuse to use the imperfect tools God gives us until His miraculous return.

Miriam,
excuse me but for the last four years all I've heard from Trads and Trumpers is that he is going to drain the swamp and lead America back to greatness and YOU actually would have had to live under a rock if you didn't hear people talking about Trump as the hero that was going to save us.  It just a little smarmy putting up the blue cuckoo emoji when its you that is cuckoo.  It was almost fever pitch in the last couple of months - trust the plan, he's playing the game to get elected.  Fauci the most corrupt official destroying millions of Americans lives, why hasn't Trump fired him, he fired the previous pandemic team coincidentally in 2018 but he can't manage to fire Fauci.   YOU ARE DELUDED.


AND I'M SICK TO THE TEETH REPEATING MYSELF THAT I AM NOT IN ANYWAY LOOKING FOR THE PERFECT CANDIDATE , IT WOULD BE GREAT BUT ITS 21ST CENTURY AND I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.  STOP TRYING TO PAINT ME AS A BUNKER TRAD.

Trump has been a hero to the hundreds of thousands of babies who are alive today thanks to the pro-life laws that have been put in place thanks to his presidency.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/us-abortions-fall-to-lowest-point-since-roe-guttmacher-claims

Trump has been a hero for many people. Conservative Americans felt completely hopeless before he came on the scene. Nobody was honest about how they really felt. Everyone thought everyone else was against them and that they had to play by the rules or get lynched (and they were right).

Then Trump came along. It was a shock for everyone to find out that the people they'd been having coffee and donuts with after Mass for years without getting close, or the neighbors they thought they had nothing in common with, had secretly been just as afraid as them to say what they really thought, to find out that we were all on the same team after all.

He was incredibly unifying and an enormous morale boost.

https://amishamerica.com/amish-delegation-visits-white-house/

"He called us friends when we walked in there," said Levi Miller, 56, an Amish farmer from Ohio. "It gets people excited that we have somebody in there who is not afraid to talk about Jesus Christ."
...
Mr. Miller said the Amish experience the good economic times that Mr. Trump has ushered in, and many will back him in 2020.

"What we see happening at home. Everybody is upbeat. The stock market, everything is up — the economy, the jobs are available," he said. "The only thing that's [difficult] about it is you can't get anybody to work for you. Everybody is working."

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 05, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
This contradiction has also not slipped past me.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/05/were-supposed-to-believe-the-gop-had-a-great-election-night-except-for-president/

...

From this article.

Quote We're Supposed To Believe The GOP Had A Great Election Night Except For President?
It would be mystifying if Republicans won more seats in the House, retained the Senate, and picked up state legislative seats, all while the same voters voted against Trump.

...
All of this adds up to a picture in which, if these very even races tip any way at all, they are tipping Republican. This seems to match the national picture as well.

It would be mystifying if Republicans won more seats in the House, retained the Senate, and picked up state legislative seats, all while the same voters voted against Trump. Trump has solidified his support among Republican voters and enjoys a massive approval rating from them he didn't have in 2016, and expanded his coalition to more working-class and minority voters this year. This is not a blue wave year. This is a year that the blue wave of 2018 appears to be receding.

Yet we are supposed to believe the same media-Democrat complex that fed us wildly erroneous polls all year, and runs false information operations on us about coronavirus, the Russia hoax, and everything else they can use to steal power, that this blue wave's evaporation did not at all affect the top of the ticket?

Man, isn't that the truth.

Quote from: mikemac on November 05, 2020, 05:41:27 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 05, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
This contradiction has also not slipped past me.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/05/were-supposed-to-believe-the-gop-had-a-great-election-night-except-for-president/

...

From this article.

Quote We're Supposed To Believe The GOP Had A Great Election Night Except For President?
It would be mystifying if Republicans won more seats in the House, retained the Senate, and picked up state legislative seats, all while the same voters voted against Trump.

...
All of this adds up to a picture in which, if these very even races tip any way at all, they are tipping Republican. This seems to match the national picture as well.

It would be mystifying if Republicans won more seats in the House, retained the Senate, and picked up state legislative seats, all while the same voters voted against Trump. Trump has solidified his support among Republican voters and enjoys a massive approval rating from them he didn't have in 2016, and expanded his coalition to more working-class and minority voters this year. This is not a blue wave year. This is a year that the blue wave of 2018 appears to be receding.

Yet we are supposed to believe the same media-Democrat complex that fed us wildly erroneous polls all year, and runs false information operations on us about coronavirus, the Russia hoax, and everything else they can use to steal power, that this blue wave's evaporation did not at all affect the top of the ticket?

Man, isn't that the truth.

Of course the counter is if Dems are cooking the votes, why be so bad at it? To me, it makes it seem more authentic. Republicans voting away from Trump due to his supposed 'failure' on COVID while voting the rest of their ballot as red.

Quote from: OzarkCatholic on November 05, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
...
Of course the counter is if Dems are cooking the votes, why be so bad at it? To me, it makes it seem more authentic. Republicans voting away from Trump due to his supposed 'failure' on COVID while voting the rest of their ballot as red.

Did you watch any of the Trump rally videos?  The crowds were huge, some of them yelling "we love you".  Like the article says "Trump has solidified his support among Republican voters and enjoys a massive approval rating from them he didn't have in 2016, and expanded his coalition to more working-class and minority voters this year."

The GOP is is as corrupt as the Democrats.  Mitch in the Senate has done good work to get judges approved, but he and a lot of his Senate pals did nothing to assist Trump in the effort to drain the swamp.  The Senate Select Intelligence Committee is ground zero in the coup attempts of the last four years.

And this:

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 05, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Ted Cruz 2024

Is Ted out there doing anything, speaking out on election fraud?  If he's a Republican hopeful for 2024, now is the time to start making a name for himself.  Where are he and the others who will be coming after Trump?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/05/donald-trump-jr-asks-the-obvious-question-where-are-the-2024-hopefuls-now-when-needed-most/

Just watched the MSM cut off the President's press conference and accuse him of lying about potential voter fraud. One of the most disgusting things I have witnessed. The contempt of the oligarchs and their media lapdogs for the US Presidency and American people is abhorrent. If they steal this election from Trump I'm probably going to resign from voting/elections for the rest of my life, barring some great overhaul. It's not Trump losing that bothers me. I don't even like Trump all that much. It's the contemptuousness breathing out from the ruling class, and the fact that they've now forced a situation where to get involved in politics means losing friendships, relationships, jobs, etc. It's not worth it. Democratic politics is almost effectively dead in the West.

On the women who once voted for Trump but now revere Joe Biden.

The Suburban Republican Karens who voted for Biden:

http://shoebat.com/2020/11/05/the-women-who-voted-for-biden/

It is these Karens that will cause the Troll Trump to loose.

As you notice there are only two children at the dinner table. Ooo got that contraception thing going. This country is pathetic.

"I got my standards."  Ooo, ooo I am so impressed Mrs. Contraception. How many fertilized ovum's have you contracepted out of existence?

Quote from: Jacob on November 05, 2020, 07:29:16 PM
The GOP is is as corrupt as the Democrats.  Mitch in the Senate has done good work to get judges approved, but he and a lot of his Senate pals did nothing to assist Trump in the effort to drain the swamp.  The Senate Select Intelligence Committee is ground zero in the coup attempts of the last four years.

And this:

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 05, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Ted Cruz 2024

Is Ted out there doing anything, speaking out on election fraud?  If he's a Republican hopeful for 2024, now is the time to start making a name for himself.  Where are he and the others who will be coming after Trump?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/05/donald-trump-jr-asks-the-obvious-question-where-are-the-2024-hopefuls-now-when-needed-most/

No but he is not making a fool out of himself on twitter either.

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-election-to-end-all-elections/?fbclid=IwAR36u7Ozz-PSWFPxfLGDEDdfdJdErrmkZ07XlkGih4MNtgnuO-L3d_1Pcs0

Read this article carefully, because Angelo Codevilla is a genius – . . . get a hold of his work if you want to know what's going on.

https://americanmind.org/essays/revolution-2020/

Quote from: Heinrich on November 05, 2020, 03:45:14 PM

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 05, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Besides who needs the trumpster, the Republicans kept the Senate! The Dems can't pack the Court!!!

Got rid of that son-in-law also.

Beautiful stalemate. See all is not lost.

QuoteAccording to the report, the grumbling "reflects a remarkable shift in internal Democratic thinking in the immediate wake of Tuesday's elections" - the reason: while Pelosi and Democratic leaders had promised to build on their majority — some estimates were in the double digits — but the early returns revealed a different reality: Not only did Democrats fail to protect a number of their most vulnerable members, they had not picked off a single Republican incumbent heading into Wednesday afternoon.  Instead, lawmakers were left "licking their wounds and questioning the messaging and strategy decisions heading into Tuesday's polls."

While Democrats will keep control of the House, and the results of many races remain unknown while votes are still counted, the party saw the defeat of at least seven of their front-line members — the sitting lawmakers in the toughest districts. And of the 38 "red-to-blue" districts they were eyeing as potential gains, Republicans have already won 21 and are leading in another 14.

Now brain dead Biden is in power. Anything and I mean anything goes wrong it is on him. The Gaffes are going to be monumental. Buyers remorse is going to settle in very quickly. Popcorn please.

Pray for the worst. China invades Taiwan, stock market crash, Covid-19 Revision 2.0 is more deadly, National Lockdown 2.0, etc.

Ted Cruz 2024   (Where did I put that Madeira Port now?)

There is truly a God in Heaven looking over us.

It's not over. You are going flat looney, dude. "Pray for the worst"? Really? What about Justice? About all of us who actually care and are getting robbed of our legitimate rights? Do you really even care about what's right?

Seriously King Wenceslas! Pray for Trump to come through; but if God permits Biden to win (or steal the election), then pray for the BEST: for us to be protected in some fashion from his claws or strengthened to bear and fight them.  Life isn't a game of politics where we just have to watch.

IF Biden wins, it's over. I think the Repubs are down to 51 in the Senate. On the plus side that will delay Weisseman becoming AG until 2024. But basically Biden will need just one blackmailed, liberal Repub to join him and Kamala casts the tie breaker. Which means the FIRST thing he does is citizenship for 12 million socialist Mexicans who will be given housing in Texas and Florida where they will vote. Then in 2022 or 2024 President Kamala will have a 60 vote super majority in the Senate. Then they pack SCOTUS or wait for Thomas to die. At that point we have the Totalitarian socialist State. Forever. Or at least for my lifetime and that of my kids and grandkids. How long have North Koreans been living like they do?

By the way If Trump loses Brexit is in trouble. I haven't followed Brexit recently but I imagine Kamala will be giving Boris a call. Maybe the Brits are too far down that path.

And then the Green New Deal and a fracking ban. And a new trade deal with China. TPP2. And reparations for blacks. And Obama Care 2. $10 per round ammo tax. It's over if Biden wins. After he destroys the economy money will be Chinese social credit stored on a Bill Gates microchip in your hand or forehead. So I hope Trump wins and buys us another 4 years to prepare.

The SSPX US District Superior, Fr. Fullerton, today asked the faithful to pray a Holy Hour the next 3 days in light of the "machinations" and "foul play" over the presidential election.

Fraud in Michigan with dead people voting


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Phocaean Dionysius
@PhocaeanD
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Here is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit): https://pastebin.com/zjz6nm6Q

Here is the website where you can verify it: https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index

#23 CLAUDIA,MILLER,1918,48234 (You have to guess-check the month of birth)

Go try it out.

https://twitter.com/PhocaeanD/status/1324531466404044801?s=20


CATHERINE,KELLY,1915,48708

Month: April

Absentee ballot Election date 11/3/2020

Application received 10/6/2020

Ballot sent 10/6/2020

Ballot received 10/13/2020

Even found the Obituary which says age was 89 in 2004:

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/na...?pid=182910219

2 weeks ago Joe Biden bragged about having "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics"

https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1323974153142177794

Whistleblower in Michigan claims postal service staff back-date late ballots

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/whistleblower-in-michigan-claims-postal-service-staff-back-date-late-ballots

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw[/yt]

'Color Revolution': Biden team is following carefully scripted coup intended to take down America

'This is a carefully scripted coup intended to take down our constitutional republic and transform it into something unrecognizable to our Founders and inimical to our liberties'

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/color-revolution-biden-team-is-following-carefully-scripted-coup-intended-to-take-down-america

4D chess incoming ...

https://streamable.com/mdetbw

That would be the greatest story ever told.  I just got 19 to 1 on a trump win.

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 04:35:16 AM
That would be the greatest story ever told.  I just got 19 to 1 on a trump win.

Why did you place a bet if you think it is BS?

Because I think Trump can pull it off anyway.  And 19 to 1 are great odds.  I bet before I saw the video.  Yesterday I heard the rumor.

It is now 14 to 1.

If they had a sting operation why would they let this guy tell infowars?  You'd keep it secret till the very last minute.

I think it is more likely he is good willed but old and insane.  Like Maria who thinks the world is flat.

This whistleblower has previous form for BS in 2016.  But we will know today as arrests will be made.  They won't be able to keep that secret as they will have to arrest at the same time.

Would you agree that if mass arrests are not made today or Saturday that this guy is spinning a yarn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoig3jKRlHI

From yesterday.

Quote from: paul14 on November 06, 2020, 03:28:39 AM
4D chess incoming ...

https://streamable.com/mdetbw

In American football-speak, it's a Hail Mary pass.

Here is the good news.  95% of the comments in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph neither of which are pro Trump newspapers believe the election was rigged by the democrats.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8917567/PIERS-MORGAN-Calm-let-count-votes-Mr-President.html#comments

Paul, Greg, Lynne, Frank, etc.

Here is a link with a larger view of it. The sting operation. I pray that it is true.

However, the DOJ supposedly cannot do anything until 10 days after the election.

The technology was used in Pakistan

In a first, watermarked ballot papers to be used in 2018 general elections
Printing paper to ordered from France costing over Rs610 million

News Desk
April 15, 2018

Sources said that the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has issued an advance amount for the purchase with the printing process costing over Rs610 million. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE


The ballot papers in the upcoming general elections will bear a watermark on them which is unprecedented in Pakistan's electoral history, Express News reported.

According to reports, preparations for the general elections are in full swing with ballot papers to be used for voting to have an exclusive watermark for which paper is being purchased from France.

The special paper will be provided in June 2018 after which the printing process shall begin.

Voting machine: 'Conventional' ballot papers likely to be used in 2018 polls

Sources said that the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has issued an advance amount for the purchase with printing process costing over Rs610 million.

While the total cost of purchasing the ballot papers will be over one billion rupees.

The printing press corporation will be given 150 million rupees while the postal printing will be provided 110 million rupees.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1686307/1-first-watermarked-ballot-papers-used-2018-general-elections

:pray2:

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 05:41:44 AM
Here is the good news.  95% of the comments in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph neither of which are pro Trump newspapers believe the election was rigged by the democrats.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8917567/PIERS-MORGAN-Calm-let-count-votes-Mr-President.html#comments

But those are just dumb proles, Greg, what do they know? Our media experts have already assured us that all claims of voter fraud are "baseless" and "debunked". Who are we to disagree with them?

Quote from: mikemac on November 05, 2020, 06:23:35 PM

Quote from: OzarkCatholic on November 05, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
...
Of course the counter is if Dems are cooking the votes, why be so bad at it? To me, it makes it seem more authentic. Republicans voting away from Trump due to his supposed 'failure' on COVID while voting the rest of their ballot as red.

Did you watch any of the Trump rally videos?  The crowds were huge, some of them yelling "we love you".  Like the article says "Trump has solidified his support among Republican voters and enjoys a massive approval rating from them he didn't have in 2016, and expanded his coalition to more working-class and minority voters this year."

This may explain part of it.
A May 2020 Gallup Poll of registered voters nationally:
  31% Dem
  25% Rep
  40% Ind

Of the 40% Independent
  50% leaned Dem
  38% leaned Rep

 

Quote from: paul14 on November 06, 2020, 03:28:39 AM
4D chess incoming ...

https://streamable.com/mdetbw

1.  I believe the ballots are created at the State or County level.

2.  What is to stop cheaters from using legitimate ballots to add fake votes to the total?

3.  They don't need to win the country, they just need to win certain areas.  And the same people are doing the counting.

Quote from: John Lamb on November 06, 2020, 05:56:01 AM

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 05:41:44 AM
Here is the good news.  95% of the comments in the Daily Mail and the Telegraph neither of which are pro Trump newspapers believe the election was rigged by the democrats.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8917567/PIERS-MORGAN-Calm-let-count-votes-Mr-President.html#comments

But those are just dumb proles, Greg, what do they know? Our media experts have already assured us that all claims of voter fraud are "baseless" and "debunked". Who are we to disagree with them?

Has anyone consulted the Oracle of ultimate truth yet?  Snopes is the final arbiter on all matters.  If they debunk it, rest assured all accusations are baseless. 

I love the smell of napalmblocking in the morning.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on November 06, 2020, 06:08:58 AM

Quote from: paul14 on November 06, 2020, 03:28:39 AM
4D chess incoming ...

https://streamable.com/mdetbw

1.  I believe the ballots are created at the State or County level.

2.  What is to stop cheaters from using legitimate ballots to add fake votes to the total?

3.  They don't need to win the country, they just need to win certain areas.  And the same people are doing the counting.

Yes, the ballots are printed at the local level but the new agency, CISA, mandated that they use this specific paper. It's watermarked (a new technology).

 8)
A mailman was caught on the Buffalo, NY/Canada border with 800 ballots in his truck.  Ooops.  Hope he gets a good tune-up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIRlCOu4onI

[yt]https://youtu.be/HmNKerZwAsg[/yt]

Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 06, 2020, 07:08:32 AM
8)
A mailman was caught on the Buffalo, NY/Canada border with 800 ballots in his truck.  Ooops.  Hope he gets a good tune-up.

Not true.  3 ballots.  800 pieces of mail.

Quote from: paul14 on November 06, 2020, 03:28:39 AM
4D chess incoming ...

https://streamable.com/mdetbw

I hope this is true.

Quote from: mikemac on November 06, 2020, 09:31:54 AM

Quote from: paul14 on November 06, 2020, 03:28:39 AM
4D chess incoming ...

https://streamable.com/mdetbw

I hope this is true.

It is at least partly true.  I know with !00% moral certainty that there are honest, ethical patriots in the intelligence sector of DC at work. 

I think the Republicans have decided to throw in the towel and throw Trump under the bus.  Looks that way.  Some of them are saying the Philadelphia count looks fair.  A 700,000 vote lead closed up by Biden.  Absolutely incredible.

He's gained them some seats in the house and now he is expendable.

Back to business as usual.  They probably don't want the corruption uncovered as they are almost as corrupt as the democrats.

It's like Dr. Zhivago, when the capitalist pig who rapes Lara sides with the communist and eventually has to flee for his life.

American's should have used their guns on Wednesday.  I doubt they ever will now.

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
I think the Republicans have decided to throw in the towel and throw Trump under the bus.  Looks that way.  Some of them are saying the Philadelphia count looks fair.  A 700,000 vote lead closed up by Biden.  Absolutely incredible.

He's gained them some seats in the house and now he is expendable.

Back to business as usual.  They probably don't want the corruption uncovered as they are almost as corrupt as the democrats.

It's like Dr. Zhivago, when the capitalist pig who rapes Lara sides with the communist and eventually has to flee for his life.

American's should have used their guns on Wednesday.  I doubt they ever will now.

Like Brexit. What is the point of voting or having the illusion of representation?

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
I think the Republicans have decided to throw in the towel and throw Trump under the bus.  Looks that way.  Some of them are saying the Philadelphia count looks fair.  A 700,000 vote lead closed up by Biden.  Absolutely incredible.

He's gained them some seats in the house and now he is expendable.

Back to business as usual.  They probably don't want the corruption uncovered as they are almost as corrupt as the democrats.

It's like Dr. Zhivago, when the capitalist pig who rapes Lara sides with the communist and eventually has to flee for his life.

American's should have used their guns on Wednesday.  I doubt they ever will now.

Lauda, anima.

We are not to trust in men, but in God alone.

145:2. Praise the Lord, O my soul, in my life I will praise the Lord:  I
will sing to my God as long as I shall be.  Put not your trust in
princes:

145:3. In the children of men, in whom there is no salvation.

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
I think the Republicans have decided to throw in the towel and throw Trump under the bus.  Looks that way.  Some of them are saying the Philadelphia count looks fair.  A 700,000 vote lead closed up by Biden.  Absolutely incredible.

He's gained them some seats in the house and now he is expendable.

Back to business as usual.  They probably don't want the corruption uncovered as they are almost as corrupt as the democrats.

It's like Dr. Zhivago, when the capitalist pig who rapes Lara sides with the communist and eventually has to flee for his life.

American's should have used their guns on Wednesday.  I doubt they ever will now.

Well, I'm even more discouraged from where I sit on our side of the pond, but the reason for my discouragement has more to do with the power of the Left which even I, living in the middle of it as I do in my blue region, did not anticipate as this evil and this overpowering.

Returning to your observation and your predictions, if more Republicans are not backing Trump publicly, it could be, yes, concerns about corruption in their own party, but it also could be realism about the sheer power of the Left.  I don't think most people would dispute that there is some level of corruption on both sides, but what has happened this week has been a tidal wave that has revealed the sheer evil and lust for power on the Left on a quantum level not approximated by anything on the Right -- in the shocking cooperation of the Left (including the leftist corporate media), in the complacency and rationalizations of those who support the Left, even tacitly.

That is not an excuse for Republican silence or their own cooperation.  It is an observation that they have been too passive for years while the Left has grown unchecked in power under their noses, in Congress, inside their own States (legislatively), in educational institutions, and as a monopoly voice in the MSM and in the culture. They've thrown up their hands, and because they have thrown up their hands -- or they were naive about the level of corruption on the Left which had grown so great as to manufacture hundreds of thousands of ballots -- it has been easier than it ever should have been for this shameful election spectacle to be occurring in front of our eyes.

Example One:  While obviously many Trump allies have vigorously fought to monitor the election, in a number of locations, apparently, Republican observers never showed up to those polling place, out of complacency, carelessness, or naivete.

Example Two:  Big Tech and Friends have poured money into state races (I mean state legislatures now) in locations where they intend to expand or have already expanded.  One example is Texas, but I know there are others.  Their intent is to dominate the local policies.  If that were just about their uncontrolled avarice, that would be one thing, but the problem is that one-party rule in a state creates the politics and culture of corruption that we see in places like Philadelphia. It goes way beyond state legislatures: it's about appointed officials, such as election officials, judges (e.g., a decision that occurred just the other day, against Trump), and other administrators.

In California, the Left has monopolized the legislature for decades, including when Republicans were elected governors, making it between difficult and nightmarish for any such governor to tame the out-of-control Senate and Assembly aiming to strong-arm educational content in public schools (one of many examples of cultural control and cancel-culture).

Some of you on SD see this all as mere human design.  I do not.  Look, first of all, how many billions of dollars are enough?  Bloomberg blows off 100M in a failed attempt to buy FLA for the Dems, and I'm sure he's just shrugging his shoulders today.  Big Tech already dominates as a presence, voice, and influence, and each of its major figures is already a billionaire or multi-.  Persons and groups with that much power do not engage in unlimited maniacal efforts to multiply wealth and power unless one or more of them is psychotic.  Instead, these insatiable efforts are evidence of evil itself at play -- the work of demonic forces (and hence why I posted that prayer in Prayer Intentions).  This is not on a normal scale of protecting one's turf, maintaining one's turf, etc. 

And I don't buy that this is all a NWO conspiracy, either, because they are too selfish as individuals to think that collectively. They want their individual and combined kingdoms, and they would only consciously assist a NWO-effort if they thought that was the only way to protect their pleasure and status.  But it's obvious that it's incredibly easy for them to protect their pleasure and status.  This Take No Prisoners stuff and infinite level of thirst is the work of the devil.  That's the way I see it.

I had figured that they would only fix the election to oust Trump precisely because a good share of the Republicans can be controlled (especially with Trump gone) so they don't care that much whether or not there are more or less Republicans at this point.  The nation has always moved left regardless of parties.

I wonder, if Biden successfully steals the election, will people be surprised when China (PRC) takes over Taiwan by force? I can't tell you the number of Chinese that I've worked with who support Democrats.

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
I think the Republicans have decided to throw in the towel and throw Trump under the bus.  Looks that way.  Some of them are saying the Philadelphia count looks fair.  A 700,000 vote lead closed up by Biden.  Absolutely incredible.

He's gained them some seats in the house and now he is expendable.

Back to business as usual.  They probably don't want the corruption uncovered as they are almost as corrupt as the democrats.

It's like Dr. Zhivago, when the capitalist pig who rapes Lara sides with the communist and eventually has to flee for his life.

American's should have used their guns on Wednesday.  I doubt they ever will now.

"Some of them are saying the Philadelphia count looks fair." Which Republicans are saying that?

https://twitter.com/m1dn7ghtrider/status/1324547397595385856?s=10

I will leave you with this screen shot.  Then this is my last post on this forum.  I am changing my password and not logging in again until the world finds its sanity again.  Lots of other things to do.  Need to change my life.

One hour ago  I looked at the details of this dead person and they had requested an absentee ballot and voted in Michigan.  Gave all the details.

Now, their voting information for this year has been expunged.  Someone has removed those public records in the last hour.

USA is officially a banana republic, and 40% of your countrymen are complicit in the coup.  That means the rest of the world follows.  Good luck.  I hope you use those guns you talk about so much to take back your country.

It's probably going to end up at the Supreme Court. This is 2000 on steroids. Except instead of hanging chads its suspicious behavior.

My take at this point... Trump has no option but to fight. The Democrats won't just let him walk away. After all the humiliation they suffered before COVID became a thing, they'll want to hit him with everything they can.

However, even if Trump does win it's worthless in the long run. The same thing will happen every election now. And not a lot of people have Trump's will to fight until the very end. Plus they'll take measures to close whatever gaps may cause Trump to pull it off. And that's if he pulls it off, which frankly has slim to no odds. I'm being realistic here. There probably isn't a miracle coming.

Quote from: The Curt Jester on November 06, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
The nation has always moved left regardless of parties.

I don't know that the nation has "always" moved left, but it's clear that those dominating the country have moved definitely left and that too many of the electorate have, too. I agree that the Republicans see the move toward the left in the general population, but some of them should take comfort that not all individual states have moved Left.

I do not think that the entire nation is Left.  I think that two things have happened, and this has become clear as I have watched voters being interviewed -- for example, before the election:

(1) there is definitely a level of brainwashing out there, that has influenced people who read or listen superficially.  Such people are not necessarily politically left in their leanings, but they have bought into the fantasy of White Guilt/"Responsibility."

(2) there is a lack of critical thinking skills taught in schools; this is obvious from the way many people respond in interviews and the statements they make about voting decisions, which are thoroughly unpersuasive from an intellectual point of view.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 06, 2020, 11:12:21 AM

Quote from: The Curt Jester on November 06, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
The nation has always moved left regardless of parties.

I don't know that the nation has "always" moved left, but it's clear that those dominating the country have moved definitely left and that too many of the electorate have, too. I agree that the Republicans see the move toward the left in the general population, but some of them should take comfort that not all individual states have moved Left.

I do not think that the entire nation is Left.  I think that two things have happened, and this has become clear as I have watched voters being interviewed -- for example, before the election:

(1) there is definitely a level of brainwashing out there, that has influenced people who read or listen superficially.  Such people are not necessarily politically left in their leanings, but they have bought into the fantasy of White Guilt/"Responsibility."

(2) there is a lack of critical thinking skills taught in schools; this is obvious from the way many people respond in interviews and the statements they make about voting decisions, which are thoroughly unpersuasive from an intellectual point of view.

The rot in the school systems has been going on for a long time. I thought I avoided the rot by putting my daughter in a parochial school. Oops. And I'm talking over 20 years ago.

Quote from: Lynne on November 06, 2020, 11:26:42 AMThe rot in the school systems has been going on for a long time. I thought I avoided the rot by putting my daughter in a parochial school. Oops. And I'm talking over 20 years ago.

Having worked in one of those parochial schools,  I agree.  Plenty of rot.  And this one was one of the better ones (with a very solid priest), but there are still certain state mandates, etc.  And there's the diocese, too.  When the teachers asked me when I would be sending my children there, I would tell them that I'm homeschooling.

    Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered.
    North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered.
    Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered.
    Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/11/04/michael-anton-breaks-down-the-ongoing-presidential-election/

It's almost like the Repubs have some sort of .... What would you call it......  Diabolical Disorientation. Isn't it the Barq of St. Peter that is supposed to bring us safely to port?

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
I will leave you with this screen shot.  Then this is my last post on this forum.  I am changing my password and not logging in again until the world finds its sanity again.  Lots of other things to do.  Need to change my life.

One hour ago  I looked at the details of this dead person and they had requested an absentee ballot and voted in Michigan.  Gave all the details.

Now, their voting information for this year has been expunged.  Someone has removed those public records in the last hour.

USA is officially a banana republic, and 40% of your countrymen are complicit in the coup.  That means the rest of the world follows.  Good luck.  I hope you use those guns you talk about so much to take back your country.

The Fat Lady has not sung yet.  Even if Trump is declared the loser, he has not conceded yet. 

There's a Trump rally in Tulsa tonight, 6pm, Lafortune park, according to the news. They're celebrating a Trump victory.  We'll be there, Trump hats on, holding our big ass Trump sign.

The thing is, we can theorize about civil war, or call that crazy talk, but the de facto state of our nation is now literally a civil war.  The Dems and globalist elites declared civil war on Nov 3rd.  Not us.  They are attempting a coup. Literallly. 

The question isn't if Trump won, but how are we going to defend ourselves and the nation.

Quote from: christulsa on November 06, 2020, 02:01:36 PM

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
I will leave you with this screen shot.  Then this is my last post on this forum.  I am changing my password and not logging in again until the world finds its sanity again.  Lots of other things to do.  Need to change my life.

One hour ago  I looked at the details of this dead person and they had requested an absentee ballot and voted in Michigan.  Gave all the details.

Now, their voting information for this year has been expunged.  Someone has removed those public records in the last hour.

USA is officially a banana republic, and 40% of your countrymen are complicit in the coup.  That means the rest of the world follows.  Good luck.  I hope you use those guns you talk about so much to take back your country.

The Fat Lady has not sung yet.  Even if Trump is declared the loser, he has not conceded yet. 

There's a Trump rally in Tulsa tonight, 6pm, Lafortune park, according to the news. They're celebrating a Trump victory.  We'll be there, Trump hats on, holding our big ass Trump sign.

Please tell everyone you might converse with, that you're there also on behalf of Trump supporters from many other states in the Union. (Lynne, me....) and for that matter from a few countries (Greg.....)

Quote from: christulsa on November 06, 2020, 02:25:32 PM
The thing is, we can theorize about civil war, or call that crazy talk, but the de facto state of our nation is now literally a civil war.  The Dems and globalist elites declared civil war on Nov 3rd.  Not us.  They are attempting a coup. Literallly. 

The question isn't if Trump won, but how are we going to defend ourselves and the nation.

I agree that the latter is now the salient question and need, but I would say that the Left declared war the day after the 2016 Presidential election. They have been spending 4 years in battle preparations.

Dearest M,
Their preparations include straight up, legit demon worship.  Nobody really believes it is as powerful as it is.  The Bishop of Rome, who hates Trump, and his minions aborted countless blessings by cancelling the public Sacrifice of the Mass.

This is what ++Vigano is saying: "Pray to the Lord of Armies." Stay strong, beautiful soul.  :pray3:

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 06, 2020, 02:26:52 PM

Quote from: christulsa on November 06, 2020, 02:01:36 PM

Quote from: Greg on November 06, 2020, 10:54:59 AM
I will leave you with this screen shot.  Then this is my last post on this forum.  I am changing my password and not logging in again until the world finds its sanity again.  Lots of other things to do.  Need to change my life.

One hour ago  I looked at the details of this dead person and they had requested an absentee ballot and voted in Michigan.  Gave all the details.

Now, their voting information for this year has been expunged.  Someone has removed those public records in the last hour.

USA is officially a banana republic, and 40% of your countrymen are complicit in the coup.  That means the rest of the world follows.  Good luck.  I hope you use those guns you talk about so much to take back your country.

The Fat Lady has not sung yet.  Even if Trump is declared the loser, he has not conceded yet. 

There's a Trump rally in Tulsa tonight, 6pm, Lafortune park, according to the news. They're celebrating a Trump victory.  We'll be there, Trump hats on, holding our big ass Trump sign.

Please tell everyone you might converse with, that you're there also on behalf of Trump supporters from many other states in the Union. (Lynne, me....) and for that matter from a few countries (Greg.....)

I will make a sign saying that, take of a pic of it with the Trump flag, and post the pic here later.  I better see you there 03.

Still in the end, America cannot survive with a 70% approval of homosexual marriage and with abortion grinding along with its grisly carnage. This type of corruption is just typical of an immoral nation and the nation will not stand for ever.

Rome brought in all the barbarians and obtained diversity and collapsed. America now has diversity and will collapse also. How and when, only God knows. I would hope that it is now and not 50 years from now.

Why everyone is in such of a ballyhoo (like Greg) shows a lack of understanding of history and inherent underlying belief that we are different and exceptional and this can't happen to us.

It is time to grow up and face the world as it truly is.

https://www.facebook.com/RepublicanPartyofTulsaCounty/posts/3196588323780237

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 06, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Rome brought in all the barbarians and obtained diversity and collapsed. America now has diversity and will collapse also. How and when, only God knows. I would hope that it is now and not 50 years from now.

Why everyone is in such of a ballyhoo (like Greg) shows a lack of understanding of history and inherent underlying belief that we are different and exceptional and this can't happen to us.

I'm afraid this is not a Christian mindset on the subject, nor itself historical.

The early Christians under Rome rendered unto Caesar what is Caesar's.  Our Lord commanded that.  They honored the common good of their society, and cared about it to the very end, because that was/is a fundamental duty of a Christian.  They prayed for and by their blood ultimately gained a true, Christian body politic.  i.e. The Holy Roman Empire, which effectively lasted 1 1/2 millenia.

Have hope and courage, KW.

Stopping by the dollar store later to get a poster board for the Rally.  Gonna write on it in big black letters "A Leftist Threatened to Murder My Family Because We Put a Trump Sign On Our House."  Will try and hold it up for the news cameras.   ;)

As last she drew near. She stood by Aslan's head. Her face was
working and twitching with passion, but his looked up at the sky, still
quiet, neither angry nor afraid, but a little sad. Then, just before she
gave the blow, she stooped down and said in a quivering voice,
"And now, who has won? Fool, did you think that by all this you
would save the human traitor? Now I will kill you instead of him as our
pact was and so the Deep Magic will be appeased. But when you are
dead what will prevent me from killing him as well? And who will take
him out of my hand then? Understand that you have given me Narnia
forever, you have lost your own life and you have not saved his. In that
knowledge, despair and die."
The children did not see the actual moment of the killing. They
couldn't bear to look and had covered their eyes.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucatastrophe

Goodbye SD.  See you on the other side.

There are lessons to be learned here, revelations that perhaps could not have come to light before this week:

Yes, the Left is dominant in the country because of their numbers and their positions --especially in the media, which is why totalitarian governments and efforts have always sought control of the press first, and why oppositional movements to totalitarianism in history have usually had to start underground. But...

The Left does not have a complete stranglehold.  The evidence is provided by the congressional results.

The divide in the Democratic Party will be more important over at least the next 2 years than some would have predicted.

Republicans, including the Republican electorate, need to examine every potential piece of legislation coming out of Congress beginning in 2021 and stop being so complacent about actual socialism happening before their eyes. Stop being afraid to speak that word --whether it's socialized medicine or anything else.  We know now, after hearing the Democratic conference call, how sensitive Dems are to that accusation, and Republicans will reap what they sow if they do not shift to Overdrive in their level of awareness and publicity about socialist agendas. 

Trump began to build a new coalition toward the very end of the campaign. Republicans need to continue that aggressively now -- a coalition to include the full working (i.e., productive) class, from low paid to upper-middle class, minorities and legal immigrants included.  I do not believe that only the very rich will endure (or evade) new taxes under a Biden administration; the middle class will also suffer.  I would know this because I live in a State where all classes suffer from aggressive taxation EXCEPT the unproductive class, and so I do not put it past a national Democratic administration to apply the same aggression on the federal level.  The fact is, any government, local or larger, determined to collect money to achieve its expensive & wasteful goals, will tax anything breathing to achieve those goals.

Until reform of our election systems, plural, occurs and is tested in another national election, few citizens will have confidence in American democracy.  The election process is completely broken in many locations, and I'm talking about the honest stuff, not the probable corruption. Incompetent administrations create or allow this level of incompetence, and that is a very long-standing problem in Democratic-run cities and counties. And since I have lived in blue cities, I know what I'm talking about.  It is not a priority of most Democratic administrations to run their region efficiently and lawfully; their priority is favoritism toward those most likely to support them, long-term, and not to demand excellence out of those loyalists.

Therefore, I favor a Constitutional Amendment to regularize national elections to comply with a national standard of transparency/visibility and uniformity.  Individual states can choose to maintain incompetence in their state elections, and the voters there would have to address that, by elections and recalls, of their governors, but any ballot which includes candidates for Congress or the Presidency should be run under constitutionally approved federal mandates. Otherwise, we're talking about voters becoming disenfranchised in any state run by incompetents.

A major help toward well-run elections would be more Republican governors because governors appoint election officials.

Citizens will continue to have a jaundiced view of democratic processes until alternative media become more visible in American life and culture and truly challenge popular media. That includes broadcast/televised media.

If Republicans care about the inordinate influence of Big Tech, and their monopoly vs competitors, they will have the stones to introduce legislation calling Google and Friends the monopoly they are and restricting their power to censor opinion in the future.

I will never agree that "it doesn't matter" which party is in power, which occupies the WH, etc., because an awful lot of sinister activity can be achieved by those who hate tradition and traditional institutions and roles, including Traditional Catholicism, including the right to homeschool our children, and more.

Just finished up here at the Republican Party Trump Rally in Tulsa.  The energy was very positive, focused on the legal process, as enthusiastic for traditional American values as at any Trump rally but post Nov. 3rd. 

One OK federal and one state congressman spoke, and several others.  Occasional "USA" chants and hymns broke out.   I could see people tearing up at moments including the men.  Guy Fawkes Day was discussed.  It was implied civil war of a political nature has been thrust on the populace by the Dems. Occasionally though the older men shouted out to reform the Republicans and the like.

See pic.

See video attached, Tulsa Trump rally. 11/6/20. 

Quote from: Heinrich on November 06, 2020, 10:54:34 AM
https://twitter.com/m1dn7ghtrider/status/1324547397595385856?s=10

Yeah I like this.  Newt Gingrich says to lock up the fraudsters at the voting stations.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMhIzJaZdOg[/yt]

Quote from: martin88nyc on November 06, 2020, 12:44:01 PM

    Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered.
    North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered.
    Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered.
    Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.

Pennsylvania - 20
North Carolina - 15
Nevada - 6
Georgia - 16
Total = 57

Add this 57 to Trump's 214 it gives him 271, enough to win.

Then add the three other States with fraudulent ballots that should have went to Trump,

Wisconsin - 10
Michigan - 16
Arizona - 11
Total = 37

271 + 37 = 308

More than enough to send sleepy, creepy, corrupt Joe back to his basement with his tail between his legs.

308, that's what you picked, didn't you Miriam?

I know not many around here like to sign petitions for some reason, but you may want to make an exception considering the circumstances.

Stand With President Trump to Protect the Vote

https://lifepetitions.com/petition/stand-with-president-trump

Demands Arise for PA Attorney General to 'Step Aside': He's Trying to 'Steal Pennsylvania from Trump'

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/04/demands-arise-pa-attorney-general-step-aside-hes-trying-steal-pennsylvania-trump/

Quote from: mikemac on November 06, 2020, 09:04:54 PM

Quote from: martin88nyc on November 06, 2020, 12:44:01 PM

    Pennsylvania had 500,000 more votes than people registered.
    North Carolina had 500,000 more votes than people registered.
    Nevada had 150,000 more votes than people registered.
    Georgia had 100,000 more votes than people registered.

Pennsylvania - 20
North Carolina - 15
Nevada - 6
Georgia - 16
Total = 57

Add this 57 to Trump's 214 it gives him 271, enough to win.

Then add the three other States with fraudulent ballots that should have went to Trump,

Wisconsin - 10
Michigan - 16
Arizona - 11
Total = 37

271 + 37 = 308

More than enough to send sleepy, creepy, corrupt Joe back to his basement with his tail between his legs.

308, that's what you picked, didn't you Miriam?

I know snopes.com and other fact checkers are biased but would Trump lawyers see any truth in this:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voter-fraud-more-votes-voters-2020/

PENNSYLVANIA:

Justice Alito orders State of PA to set aside late-arriving ballots

https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-divide-late-ballots/


MICHIGAN:
"In Antrim County, ballots were counted for Democrats that were meant for Republicans, causing a 6,000 vote swing against our candidates. The county clerk came forward and said 'tabulating software glitched and caused a miscalculation of the vote.' Since then, we have now discovered the 47 counties used the same software in the same capacity," she said, adding "Antrim County had to hand count all of the ballots, and these counties that used the software need to closely examine their results for similar discrepancies."

Of note, Trump won Antrim County in 2016 with 62% of the vote vs. 33% for Hillary Clinton

https://finanz.dk/software-glitch-in-michigan-erroneously-gave-1000s-of-votes-to-biden-up-to-47-counties-compromised/

Quote from: mikemac on November 06, 2020, 09:04:54 PM

Pennsylvania - 20
North Carolina - 15
Nevada - 6
Georgia - 16
Total = 57

Add this 57 to Trump's 214 it gives him 271, enough to win.

Then add the three other States with fraudulent ballots that should have went [gone] to Trump,

Wisconsin - 10
Michigan - 16
Arizona - 11
Total = 37

271 + 37 = 308

More than enough to send sleepy, creepy, corrupt Joe back to his basement with his tail between his legs.

308, that's what you picked, didn't you Miriam?

I did indeed, but with so much pressure from media, it will be a miracle if he pulls it off.

Sorry for the grammatical correction. I lack self-control in that department.
:lol:

As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet. 

Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 07, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

I completely agree. A farce of a so-called election. Results cannot be trusted.

Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 07, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

Du hast ja Recht, Herr Wilson. Wir erklären für ungültig diese Wette.

Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 07, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

Look, I don't want anyone to have to leave based on a bet.  I've left and come back numerous times in divers places.  But I simply have to call false on this idea.  Elections are always full of cheating and mistakes.  And the Dems cheat every time.  The only way a Republican gets the Presidency these days is to have a landslide that negates the cheating effort.  Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, cheating is part and parcel of the entire landscape. 

Quote from: Innocent Smith on November 07, 2020, 10:12:48 AM

Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 07, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

Look, I don't want anyone to have to leave based on a bet.  I've left and come back numerous times in divers places.  But I simply have to call false on this idea.  Elections are always full of cheating and mistakes.  And the Dems cheat every time.  The only way a Republican gets the Presidency these days is to have a landslide that negates the cheating effort.  Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, cheating is part and parcel of the entire landscape.

But the point is that neither Chris nor Greg placed a bet based on the assumption that the announced election results would not coincide with the true election results.  And that fact is also not the fault of either Chris or Greg.  I am particularly ashamed as an American that Greg might feel a need to leave based on American fraud.

They placed a bet assuming different premises than you assumed.

I value the contributions of both men and hope that they will reconsider any decision to leave due to events out of their control.

Sorry ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhfdW_X-NH0

Some good can come of this though, such as having a better idea of what you're up against, which always helps.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 07, 2020, 12:01:01 PM
Sorry ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eMoCW1Pq54

Some good can come of this though, such as having a better idea of what you're up against, which always helps.

We know what was announced. An announcement does not validate the results.  This is absolutely not sour grapes or denial.  It has to do with the impossibility of all of the congressional results within the same states that "voted" for Biden.  I myself have (legitimately, of course) voted for just a single candidate for the top office (Governor, President) in certain elections in which I cared only about that.  So all of those massive numbers of extra votes, exceeding in many cases the number of registered voters, were undoubtedly cast only for President.

Also, the fraudulent software, automatically reversing Republican votes to Democratic,  has been discovered to have been present in every battleground state.

The Supreme Court has said to wait.  No American needs to join in an artificial stampede, no matter how many media outlets in this country and overseas want it to be over. Trump voters deserve to have him go through the process, however difficult and whatever the unlikely odds are.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 07, 2020, 12:01:01 PM
Sorry ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhfdW_X-NH0

Some good can come of this though, such as having a better idea of what you're up against, which always helps.

This video exemplifies everything I've had a concern about regarding Trump... like it or not, his style has coupled the Pro Life cause with notions of misogny, racism, etc. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. What I am saying is that the Pro Life movement gambled on a deal with Mr. Art of the Deal... and here we are. Now we're going to be associated with racism, hate, etc. for a long long time... whether just or unjust.

Prayers are needed, this much is certain.

This is really interesting.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/11/07/in-texas-an-emerging-problem-for-democrats-on-the-border/

Man proposes God disposes.

Quote from: OzarkCatholic on November 07, 2020, 12:12:40 PM

This video exemplifies everything I've had a concern about regarding Trump... like it or not, his style has coupled the Pro Life cause with notions of misogny, racism, etc. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. What I am saying is that the Pro Life movement gambled on a deal with Mr. Art of the Deal... and here we are. Now we're going to be associated with racism, hate, etc. for a long long time... whether just or unjust.

Prayers are needed, this much is certain.

You are right, if you think it's not true.  The racism card was all a part of liberal malarkey.  Black Lives Matter is a communist organization.  George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose while in police custody.  If you look at most of the other cases of blacks dying at the hands of the cops you'll find the stories aren't exactly as they have been portrayed.  The riots were just a build up to election day.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 07, 2020, 12:12:01 PM

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 07, 2020, 12:01:01 PM
Sorry ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eMoCW1Pq54

Some good can come of this though, such as having a better idea of what you're up against, which always helps.

We know what was announced. An announcement does not validate the results.  This is absolutely not sour grapes or denial.  It has to do with the impossibility of all of the congressional results within the same states that "voted" for Biden.  I myself have (legitimately, of course) voted for just a single candidate for the top office (Governor, President) in certain elections in which I cared only about that.  So all of those massive numbers of extra votes, exceeding in many cases the number of registered voters, were undoubtedly cast only for President.

Also, the fraudulent software, automatically reversing Republican votes to Democratic,  has been discovered to have been present in every battleground state.

The Supreme Court has said to wait.  No American needs to join in an artificial stampede, no matter how many media outlets in this country and overseas want it to be over. Trump voters deserve to have him go through the process, however difficult and whatever the unlikely odds are.

It doesn't matter what Trump supporters 'deserve'.   The long march through the institutions by the left is complete.  It took decades but they did it.  I don't know if they rigged the election but I wouldn't put it past them.  That's what they're like.  The end justifies the means. 

But you know this, and still you're surprised.

The courts won't help Trump and neither will his party, because if the system is shown to be corrupt it makes them look bad too.   

Let's start rioting; breaking into stores, looting; burning down buildings...oh wait! That's what the Left does.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 07, 2020, 12:48:31 PM

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 07, 2020, 12:12:01 PM

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 07, 2020, 12:01:01 PM
Sorry ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eMoCW1Pq54

Some good can come of this though, such as having a better idea of what you're up against, which always helps.

We know what was announced. An announcement does not validate the results.  This is absolutely not sour grapes or denial.  It has to do with the impossibility of all of the congressional results within the same states that "voted" for Biden.  I myself have (legitimately, of course) voted for just a single candidate for the top office (Governor, President) in certain elections in which I cared only about that.  So all of those massive numbers of extra votes, exceeding in many cases the number of registered voters, were undoubtedly cast only for President.

Also, the fraudulent software, automatically reversing Republican votes to Democratic,  has been discovered to have been present in every battleground state.

The Supreme Court has said to wait.  No American needs to join in an artificial stampede, no matter how many media outlets in this country and overseas want it to be over. Trump voters deserve to have him go through the process, however difficult and whatever the unlikely odds are.

It doesn't matter what Trump supporters 'deserve'.   The long march through the institutions by the left is complete.  It took decades but they did it.  I don't know if they rigged the election but I wouldn't put it past them.  That's what they're like.  The end justifies the means. 

But you know this, and still you're surprised.

The courts won't help Trump and neither will his party, because if the system is shown to be corrupt it makes them look bad too.

Hold on.  Where did you get the idea that I'm "surprised"?  I am not surprised.  In fact, I am far more certain than you are of the rigged results.  The evidence is overwhelming. I am only surprised that anybody on this forum would eagerly jump on the U.S.A's MSM artificial bandwagon in announcing "a winner."  He will be a winner formally, but in truth, no.  The same questionable state results have actually been adjudicated by the courts before, including a complete reversal in one case, assigning the win to the candidate who had been cheated of his rightful result by corrupt Democrats in that state.  It's one of the states highly disputed here.  It is massive fraud here, not mere thin margins.

EXCLUSIVE: Former Michigan state senator exposes voting scandals in Detroit

Patrick Colbeck explained how he encountered blatant violations of voting law and procedure at every step of the process. He says the perpetrators should be tried for sedition.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-michigan-state-senator-exposes-voting-scandals-in-detroit

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25v2q_b8bQ[/yt]

If you didn't believe the media when they shouted Collusion for 4 years, and you didn't believe them when they shouted Lockdown for 8 months, why believe them when they shout Biden has won? They are deceivers, and their job is not journalism but mass psychological operations.

Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 07, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

Agreed.  Michaelus locuta est, causa finitum est.   He did agree to moderate the outcome, after all.  ;)

The Dems have waged civil war.  We must fight back.  We need the likes of Greg to be the head of the battering ram (despite his self-confessed occasional flirtations with heterodox viewpoints), and Christulsa will be the first to storm through in full battle array calling out "Long Live Christ the King."

Remember remember the 3rd of November.

https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/

QuoteMany reporters at press conferences that took place in Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Michigan on Thursday asked his political appointees and supporters for evidence of the wide-scale problems they alleged occurred.

If it is just the mathematical evidence Americans are looking for, there is endless evidence. Here are just the facts.

I'm now convinced the whole Covid affair was to simply get mail-in ballots.  So we've been wearing face diapers for 8 months now in order to steal an election.  We've participated in a process that has wiped out countless businesses, put people out of homes, created social isolation, suicide, depression, job loss, divorce, and put already fragile human beings in a state of perpetual fear to steal an election. 

I expect the vaccine to be arriving within a week.  It turns out I was right.  Non-participation in voting is the only solution to this fraudulent nation.  And yes, I understand it is next to impossible to accomplish.  At least for those with a conscience that try and figure out the best thing to do.

The last two presidential elections have had unprecedented participation.  So the electoral process is as "sound" as ever.  We all approve of the outcome, now don't we.  Everyone had their say, right?

And so it goes.  I am going to be careful of what I say about any of this in public. 

(https://i.ibb.co/7CLNKnB/fake-news-final-boss.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

What's truly disgusting is that 50% of the Catholic vote went to Biden. The church in the US is so messed up I don't think I can take it seriously anymore. It's filled with people who simply want to believe they're good people but unwilling to "walk the walk" per the gospel. That of course goes for clergy too. If church leaders at all levels don't begin holding themselves and the laity accountable for this, what's the point in congregating with any of them? They don't share my beliefs.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 07, 2020, 12:55:43 PM
It is massive fraud here, not mere thin margins.

And they'll get away with it precisely because it's so massive.  No-one will be prepared to believe that corruption on such a scale is possible in the United States.  The MSM is now telling the world that Biden won.  If the result were to be overthrown, the US would become a laughing stock and all claims for democracy would be invalidated.

The Dems must be certain that they can pull this off - the MSM is on their side, after all - because if the fraud were exposed they would be discredited forever.  So it won't be exposed, and they know this.

Did anyone have any inkling this might happen.  Postal voting in the UK has been associated with fraud for years.

Civil war may soon ensue but only in red states as liberal states have no or limited access to guns.
About hundred years of communism indoctrination has come to a head. Now everything is in the open. I hope it won;t take a revolution because that would set as years behind. Let's just pray that demonrats are completely exposed for who they are and what they do. My friend goes to a cemetery once in a while and prays for holy souls over each grave also asking them for intercession. Now is the time to offer prayers and sacrafices because the future of this country is at stake. We may become another Venezuela

Quote from: Graham on November 07, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
If you didn't believe the media when they shouted Collusion for 4 years, and you didn't believe them when they shouted Lockdown for 8 months, why believe them when they shout Biden has won? They are deceivers, and their job is not journalism but mass psychological operations.

Spot on, Graham.  I'm wondering the same thing.

https://gnews.org/534248/


Joe Biden's votes violate Benford's Law (Mathematics)
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As the vote counting for the 2020 Presidential Election continues, various facts suggest rampant frauds in Joe Biden's votes. So does mathematics in terms of the votes from precincts.

Benford's law or the first-digit law, is used to check if a set of numbers are naturally occurring or manually fabricated. It has been applied to detect the voting frauds in Iranian 2009 election and various other applications including forensic investigations.

This is what described by Wikipedia:

    "Benford's law, or the first-digit law, is an observation about the frequency distribution of leading digits in many real-life sets of numerical data. The law states that in many naturally occurring collections of numbers, the leading digit is likely to be small.

    For example, in sets that obey the law, the number 1 appears as the leading significant digit about 30% of the time, while 9 appears as the leading significant digit less than 5% of the time. If the digits were distributed uniformly, they would each occur about 11.1% of the time. Benford's law also makes predictions about the distribution of second digits, third digits, digit combinations, and so on."

One of the examples is the population of the world, which are naturally occurring numbers.
Distribution of first-digit (in %) of population numbers in 237 countries in 2010.
Source: wikipedia.org

A number of people on the internet have checked the votes (precinct by precinct) of Joe Biden, Donald Trump as well as other candidates for their legitimacy in terms of the Benford's Law.

According a Reddit user, r/dataisbeautiful's calculation, the 'normal' distribution of first digits for the different candidates based on Benford's law is illustrated below.
Source of image: https://bit.ly/3l7mUE5

Youtuber Nyar has shared the observations on a number of counties, concluding that Trump and others' votes have natural distribution but not for Joe Biden's.

In Fulton County, Georgia, which overlaps with the Atlantic metropolitan where Joe Biden is expected to win, all of the three candidates have normal distributions for their votes. (Joe Biden 72.6%, Donald Trump 26.2%, Jo Jorgensen 1.2%. Source: .theguardian.com)
Image from github.com/ (https://bit.ly/2GGTXjq)

In Miami-Dade County of Florida, which includes the Miami metropolitan where Joe Biden is expected to win, all candidates' votes obey Benford's Law. (Joe Biden 53.4%, Donald Trump 46.1%, Jo Jorgensen 0.3%. Source: theguardian.com)
Image from github.com/ (https://bit.ly/2GGTXjq)

However, in the Milwaukee County of Wisconsin, which is in one of the key swing states, Joe Biden's votes violate Benford's Law while other candidates' don't. (Joe Biden 69.4%, Donald Trump 29.4%, Jo Jorgensen 0.9%. Source: theguardian.com)
Image from github.com/ (https://bit.ly/2GGTXjq)

And in Chicago of Illinois, Joe Biden's votes are abnormal.
Image from github.com/ (https://bit.ly/2GGTXjq)

So does that of Allegheny of Pennsylvania which includes Pittsburg. (Joe Biden 59.0%, Donald Trump 39.9%, Jo Jorgensen 1.2%. Source: theguardian.com)

It looks like maybe Biden had lost big cities like Chicago and Pittsburgh, which is why the fraudulent votes need to be brought in, which skew his curve away from a normal looking one.

For those who are interested to reproduce the analysis, you can follow the instructions here and give it a go.

Quote from: Innocent Smith on November 07, 2020, 04:05:52 PM
I'm now convinced the whole Covid affair was to simply get mail-in ballots.  So we've been wearing face diapers for 8 months now in order to steal an election. 

This is the exact same thing I had thought of this week.  I even went further than you, knowing it emanated from the Wuhan lab (if the virus did, LOL):  that it was U.S. Big Tech/ Stock Market in collusion with China to fix the election.

QuoteWe've participated in a process that has wiped out countless businesses, put people out of homes, created social isolation, suicide, depression, job loss, divorce, and put already fragile human beings in a state of perpetual fear to steal an election.

(Unwillingly) participated -- many of us. What truly has made me sick to my stomach, though (literally), is observing Catholics slavishly compliant with this participation, and even outdoing in compliance priests, bishops, mayors, governors, and more. Then, "ordering" other Catholics to comply.

QuoteI am going to be careful of what I say about any of this in public.

Me, too.  Even within family. 

How sad, how sad-- to be worried about whom you can trust.

QuoteWhat's truly disgusting is that 50% of the Catholic vote went to Biden. The church in the US is so messed up I don't think I can take it seriously anymore. It's filled with people who simply want to believe they're good people but unwilling to "walk the walk" per the gospel. That of course goes for clergy too. If church leaders at all levels don't begin holding themselves and the laity accountable for this, what's the point in congregating with any of them? They don't share my beliefs.

They don't.  Polls show that 98% of them aren't Catholic.  Contraception, divorce, fornication, and even non-belief in the Real Presence are among their heresies.

Also, they don't want to be "good people".  They want to be obedient serfs and to virtue signal.  They are the people of the muzzle.

QuoteThis video exemplifies everything I've had a concern about regarding Trump... like it or not, his style has coupled the Pro Life cause with notions of misogny, racism, etc. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. What I am saying is that the Pro Life movement gambled on a deal with Mr. Art of the Deal... and here we are. Now we're going to be associated with racism, hate, etc. for a long long time... whether just or unjust.

Learn the battle cry of #GamerGate.  WE. DON'T. CARE.

You are a racist!  WE. DON'T. CARE.
You are anti-semites!  WE. DON'T. CARE.
You are a hate group!  WE. DON'T. CARE.

Go back and read what you wrote: "his style has coupled the Pro Life cause with notions of misogyny, racism, etc...".  Replace the passive voice with the active:  "Because Trump has been the most Pro Life President EVA, misandrists, white haters, commies, pedophiles, sodomites, Christ haters, and baby killers are calling us names."

QuoteAnd they'll get away with it precisely because it's so massive.

They haven't gotten away with it yet.  Follow Vigano's lead and continue with your battle rosary until Jan. 20th.  Until then, I expect a miracle.

Quote from: Reader on November 07, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
The church in the US is so messed up .....That of course goes for clergy too.

Yes, the American church has no identity because Rome lost it for them about 58 years ago.

QuoteIf church leaders at all levels don't begin holding themselves and the laity accountable for this, what's the point in congregating with any of them? They don't share my beliefs.

They don't share the Church's beliefs.  (Who cares about your or my beliefs?)  There is one authentic set of beliefs.  If something does not conform to Catholic Tradition, it is not a Catholic belief.  The modern church, whether in America or in Italy, has no authority to create new beliefs. A baptized Catholic is bound to the authentic, long-standing, permanent beliefs of the faith, and is bound to reject everything else, no matter the costume of the person inventing and proclaiming such unapproved beliefs.

Quote from: james03 on November 07, 2020, 07:40:25 PM

QuoteAnd they'll get away with it precisely because it's so massive.

They haven't gotten away with it yet.  Follow Vigano's lead and continue with your battle rosary until Jan. 20th.  Until then, I expect a miracle.

Thank you.  I am going to do this and express my faith in Christ that the world is in His Hands, whatever happens. 

Fellow Catholics, please refrain from discouraging yourselves by reading too much news because you KNOW that 98% of it will make you & me extremely angry, which is bad for our souls, especially since we are impotent to do much concrete with that anger at the moment.  Do what you need to do for your mental health without getting "noticed" for doing it, if you know what I mean. We all need to become prayer warriors, as James says, and that includes praying for those in positions of power to exercise courage.

This is not about taking anything for granted, quite the opposite. But it is about refusing to despair. Even for those who don't believe in any kind of conspiracies, collusion, NWO's, etc., between now and Jan. 20 will be one kind of trial for our minds, hearts, and souls. After that will be other trials of unknown scope and type -- but most likely very challenging for trads, and thus opportune for the devil.  That's why we need to pray.  Faith can become fragile during such times of opposition and loneliness. 

In fact, no one has to believe in a single conspiracy theory to recognize collaboration for what it is.  This is why I posted Fr. Ripperger's suggested exorcism Prayer for lay people in the Intentions sub-forum.  My own opinion is that God has allowed Satan to get this far.  Without the scandalous cooperation with the State, from N.O. bishops, all throughout 2020 so far, I would be inclined to attribute the sequence of events to secular conspiracies alone -- or even coincidence.  But i.m.o. supernatural (demonic) forces are at play. Our bishops are so weak and have surrendered so fully to the State, that they are not even aware of how the devil has them in his unholy grip.  They didn't just reluctantly comply; they enthusiastically complied and outperformed the State in suppression of the Sacraments and in isolation of the Catholic community from one another.  That was and is evil, a sign of demonic ascendancy within the Church on even lower levels, not just within the hierarchy as we all have known about since V2.  The ease with which Satan achieved this is astonishing; the bishops acted in concert, without so much as a peep.

The country deserves this for the sins of abortion, sodomy, divorce and remarriage, pornography, etc.  God is allowing this as part of the Chastisement.  It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns.  We still have to fight back in defense of the Faith, over this election Coup, but I don't expect a miracle by January 20th.  I'm praying for it.  But I don't expect it. 

I never expected Trump to win, which is why I took Greg up on his proposed bet.  To me that would be a second miracle (the 1st being his highly unexpected win in 2016), and we can't presume on God's mercy.  We can ask for it.  But every one of us on this forum will be persecuted going forward. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50579214953_4fd44477be_c.jpg)

Does anyone remember the 2000 election? Three of the Republican lawyers involved in that legal battle were John Roberts, Brett Kavenaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett (they're all on the Supreme Court now).

Quote from: christulsa on November 08, 2020, 07:43:18 AM
It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns. 

If there is a worse wave of lockdowns, then we will become an enormous Third World country with a ruling oligarchy; the economy will implode with greater consequence than before, within maybe a year, and certainly two if their oppressive medical "experts" keep asserting that it will be two years before a vaccine.  (And the Demos are such control freaks that I don't put it past them to continue lockdowns of particular regions -- by federal mandate -- until everyone in that region has been vaccinated, including infants.) Do the Democrats then intend to keep control of their power by suppressing the middle class over the next two years -- exponentially creating economic ruin, and then repeating the massive election fraud 4 years from now so that the populace can't vote them out?  And will the opposition remain acquiescent while they watch this evil unfold?

Chris, I do agree that we are being chastised, but I also believe that we have a moral duty to oppose grand theft (of an election), which violates justice. Abortion, sodomy, fornication, and pornography (and those who traffic in any of those) are grievous mortal sins which deserve national chastisement, but one of The Four Sins is oppression of the poor.  The latter doesn't just mean homeless people but those who struggle to make an honest and meager living and cannot do so with ordinary commerce and ordinary movement paralyzed and imprisoned.  I will tell you that during the lockdown in my State, and during the looting which followed and which affected very small businesses, I wept often when hearing the stories of people with struggling and destroyed businesses whose lives and spirits had been shattered. Someone needs to champion them.

I think that our priests have a mandate at this moment to provide the spiritual and moral guidance we need.

Quote from: christulsa on November 08, 2020, 07:43:18 AM
The country deserves this for the sins of abortion, sodomy, divorce and remarriage, pornography, etc.  God is allowing this as part of the Chastisement.  It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns.  We still have to fight back in defense of the Faith, over this election Coup, but I don't expect a miracle by January 20th.  I'm praying for it.  But I don't expect it. 

I never expected Trump to win, which is why I took Greg up on his proposed bet.  To me that would be a second miracle (the 1st being his highly unexpected win in 2016), and we can't presume on God's mercy.  We can ask for it.  But every one of us on this forum will be persecuted going forward.

You are preaching to the choir, ultratradman. But yes, you are right. I would be willing to bet 75% of Trump supporters did not go to any type of organized religious gathering today, but instead plowed the back fields, winterized the bass boat, and took the Harley for a spin(it is 70 degrees here in Indiana!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16s424pCUHA

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

Quote from: Michael Wilson on November 07, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
As far as I am concerned Chris and Greg's bet was based on a fair and free election; the massive fraud committed by the Democrats has in effect not allowed the event that they bet on to take place, therefore voiding the bet.

Thank you, Sir! A million times this! ^^^

Yes, we have seen fraud in the past, but what has been done this time is out of control. I never agreed with the bet to begin with, but now it should be voided.

Quote from: Frank on November 08, 2020, 12:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16s424pCUHA

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

Is that Walty(the guy who used to moderate here)?

QuoteThe country deserves this for the sins of abortion, sodomy, divorce and remarriage, pornography, etc.  God is allowing this as part of the Chastisement.  It's going to get much worse, next with the lockdowns.  We still have to fight back in defense of the Faith, over this election Coup, but I don't expect a miracle by January 20th.  I'm praying for it.  But I don't expect it.

It was always going to end like this (though Florida was a pleasant surprise.)  I was hopeful for another 4 years to better prepare.  But you are correct, as the great philosopher said: "If God doesn't wipe us out, He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology".

Still, I will pray my battle rosary in union with +Vigano with confident expectation of a miracle until January 20th.

Since Soros is following the Bezmenov plan, we know the next step is Crisis.  Which we are in.  They have to get to stabilization.  An aside, if we lose, Antifa and BLM are in for a big surprise during Stabilization.  There is one organization that has the complete list of the power structure of Antifa and BLM, including names and addresses, as well as the encryption keys for their encrypted messages. That is the Soros organization.  Which means that a year from now "hard nosed prosecutor" President Kamala will round them all up and give them 20 year sentences after they are no longer useful.  The revolutionaries are the first to get the bullet after the new regime takes power.  The regime is not interested in sheep who dutifully wear their muzzles and take their kids to Tranny Story Hour.  End of aside.

So Crisis will obviously be over the election.  This will eventually be settled by the military run by Esper, likely in January.  Hopefully Trump is aware of all of this.  Very dangerous times.  The fact that Trump went golfing is promising and a morale boost.

As soon as Biden is inaugurated as the next US president, he will roll out Covid lockdowns and vaccine programmes across America.  Antifa/BLM will be asked to calm down and cooperate in order to defeat Covid, and they will, as instructed.  Biden has already called for a "lowering of the temperature".

Welcome to the NWO.  It's practically in place across the rest of the world and just needs the US to make it complete.

Bezmenov made his predictions on the basis of the traditional Marxist ideas he opposed.  But the NWO isn't Marxist, it's corporatist. 

I have 3 questions.

1.  Did Greg really bet (lose) $5,000,000 on the election, as suggested, albeit light-heartedly, earlier in the thread?  I'm assuming not.  But he did fit the story.

2.  How can one become a Mountain Man?  Is there public land where you can live in the wild?  I bet downloads of Jeremiah Johnson have spiked since the Nov. 3rd.  Great movie.

3.  Any chance if Trump doesn't win through the legal appeal, that he continues Post 1/21 to act as President, while Biden is in the White House?  If so, he must, though that would trigger civil war of some kind.

Quote from: Heinrich on November 08, 2020, 02:37:24 PM

Quote from: Frank on November 08, 2020, 12:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16s424pCUHA

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

Is that Walty(the guy who used to moderate here)?

As I remember, Walty was pretty skeptical about Trump, and I'd say his thinking and communication style is completely different from this guy's. Also, they look nothing alike. I too have experienced this minor delusion of thinking people I've encountered anonymously online are, against all odds, randomly turning up in real life. It did turn out to be true once, but usually it means I need a break from the internet.  :)

QuoteBezmenov made his predictions on the basis of the traditional Marxist ideas he opposed.  But the NWO isn't Marxist, it's corporatist.

Bezmenov was not making predictions.  He was telling us WHAT HE DID as a KGB officer.  And they weren't traditional Marxist ideas.  This was Cultural Marxism.  The traditional marxists jailed Gramsci because he rightly said the marxists had to defeat cultural hegemony before the revolution.

And even the traditional marxists were funded by globalist corporations.  Read about Trotsky's boat getting stopped in Canada with $1Billion aborad, given to him by the NY banks.  The Brits let him go, even though he was on his way to defeat the Brit's ally in WWI.

If your point is that there is a power behind the communist movement, and it is the NWO, you are correct.  Soros is the face of that.  He made Billions in Ukraine after the revolution there.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 08, 2020, 05:45:22 PM
As soon as Biden is inaugurated as the next US president, he will roll out Covid lockdowns and vaccine programmes across America.  Antifa/BLM will be asked to calm down and cooperate in order to defeat Covid, and they will, as instructed.  Biden has already called for a "lowering of the temperature".

Welcome to the NWO.  It's practically in place across the rest of the world and just needs the US to make it complete.

Bezmenov made his predictions on the basis of the traditional Marxist ideas he opposed.  But the NWO isn't Marxist, it's corporatist.

I do not think it's all going to go as smoothly and systematically as you are envisioning.  However, if it could have been shown that Biden truly did win fair and square -- which any low-average-IQ person could see was not possible with "crowds" of 12 -- then the U.S. electorate would have largely, if disappointedly, complied with short-term directives, even if protesting some of them more vigorously. 

Now the Party will find a highly uncooperative public among more than half of the country (because I believe Trump won the popular vote as well as the electoral).  The congressional races are the big revelations in that regard. Now, because of obvious manipulation and fraud, there will be major resistance among the public and for an extended period, not just a month or two.  Ditto in Congress, of course.

You know how you really want to scream in torment when you are enclosed in a small space and all of the people around are people you would ordinarily avoid?  Hell will be like that for these crooks because now Hell is going to be intolerably crowded with hundreds of millions of these disgusting, repulsive souls.  The Party regulars will all be there unless they have a turn of conscience and urge a recount.  Otherwise, they have unalterably changed the United States of America, and they will pay in Hell for such an irretrievable, selfish act.

Quote from: Graham on November 08, 2020, 07:40:50 PM

Quote from: Heinrich on November 08, 2020, 02:37:24 PM

Quote from: Frank on November 08, 2020, 12:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16s424pCUHA

This is encouraging - albeit rather scary if you are in the USA.

Is that Walty(the guy who used to moderate here)?

As I remember, Walty was pretty skeptical about Trump, and I'd say his thinking and communication style is completely different from this guy's. Also, they look nothing alike. I too have experienced this minor delusion of thinking people I've encountered anonymously online are, against all odds, randomly turning up in real life. It did turn out to be true once, but usually it means I need a break from the internet.  :)

That's definitely not Walty.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 08, 2020, 07:58:04 PM
I do not think it's all going to go as smoothly and systematically as you are envisioning. 

It's gone smoothly and systematically everywhere else in the world.

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However, if it could have been shown that Biden truly did win fair and square -- which any low-average-IQ person could see was not possible with "crowds" of 12 -- then the U.S. electorate would have largely, if disappointedly, complied with short-term directives, even if protesting some of them more vigorously. 

Biden didn't appear at all perturbed by the size of his crowds.  Perhaps he knew all along what the result would be.

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Now the Party will find a highly uncooperative public among more than half of the country (because I believe Trump won the popular vote as well as the electoral).  The congressional races are the big revelations in that regard. Now, because of obvious manipulation and fraud, there will be major resistance among the public and for an extended period, not just a month or two.  Ditto in Congress, of course.

When the Covid lockdowns are enforced, any resistance will melt away.  Especially if BLM/Antifa obey the lockdowns, which they will under orders.  There will be some who hold out of course, on both sides of the fence, but the majority will submit to the mass Covid propaganda campaign that will be unleashed on the American public. 

The election result will quickly be forgotten as the Covid madness is ramped up by the corporate media.

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You know how you really want to scream in torment when you are enclosed in a small space and all of the people around are people you would ordinarily avoid? 

Yes, I get this a lot, even at Mass sometimes.

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Hell will be like that for these crooks because now Hell is going to be intolerably crowded with hundreds of millions of these disgusting, repulsive souls.  The Party regulars will all be there unless they have a turn of conscience and urge a recount.  Otherwise, they have unalterably changed the United States of America, and they will pay in Hell for such an irretrievable, selfish act.

But they'll be among like-minded people at least.

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Otherwise, they have unalterably changed the United States of America, and they will pay in Hell for such an irretrievable, selfish act.

Changing the USA unalterably has been a decades long process.  Would I be right in suggesting that the Democrats now control America's cities? Could it have been a mistake for conservatives and trads to abandon them.  I understand the impulse to retreat to the countryside, but when Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon and marched on Rome, the Pompeans left without a fight and Caesar marched into the city unopposed.  The accusation made against Pompey, that he had 'lost Rome without unsheathing his sword', sounds a bit too famiilar.

Conservatives/Trads have also lost the cities.  Pompey never entered Rome again. 

Quote from: Lynne on November 08, 2020, 10:03:22 AMDoes anyone remember the 2000 election? Three of the Republican lawyers involved in that legal battle were John Roberts, Brett Kavenaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett (they're all on the Supreme Court now).

There will be litigation but, to be honest, it's hard to foresee a realistic scenario where Biden isn't sworn in.

Trump was always more likely to lose than not. It was a miracle that he got elected in 2016. That he almost pulled it off twice is a testament to the distrust that millions of Americans have in both traditional ruling parties, in career politicians and in the mainstream media. Given the sharp ideological divide that currently sweeps through the country, as well as a likely economic depression due to the situation worldwide, it's going to be interesting to see how the Democratic Party will act. The Antifa crowd will have to be deactivated, I think. They already served their purpose. And any further lockdowns will be far too risky at this juncture, so I foresee (and hope for) a slow process of normalization.

The Covid-19 crisis also played an important part in this election. Any president in power during a crisis like this one would always take a huge hit in the polls, regardless of his personal responsibility or any shortcomings in dealing with the situation. It's just the nature of things.

"Returning to normal" - God forbid! - is exactly the pablum the other side wants everyone to console themselves with. I am hoping that if the lawfare avenue peters out, populists will engage in nation-wide peaceful protesting a la gilets jaunes. They can make life hard too, harder than antifa and blm did, and with less effort. Normal is done.

Folks, if Lindsey effing Graham is more based than you, it's time for some self-reflection.

Quote from: Graham on November 08, 2020, 09:37:37 PM
I am hoping that if the lawfare avenue peters out, populists will engage in nation-wide peaceful protesting a la gilets jaunes.

The gilets jaunes are all locked down due to Covid.

Europe is far worse crisis than the US.  They are going nuts over lockdowns now.

In the US the economy came roaring back and lockdowns are gone in most places.  Of course that will change if Biden gets sworn in.  The EU will demand lockdowns in the US, because they can't stand the light.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 08, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Biden didn't appear at all perturbed by the size of his crowds.  Perhaps he knew all along what the result would be.

Yes, he did know all along what the result would be, but if he hadn't, the man is senile.  You haven't noticed?  It's not just a joke about his being cognitively impaired.  He is confused, out of touch with reality, and therefore barely affected by events around him. He's had several aneurisms, with stroke-like consequences affecting speech, memory, and all kinds of intellectual functioning.  The Left wanted to go All Woke, and so they selected Harris to step into his executive shoes within 2021 (my guess is).  He can't function as a full-time, capable President.  He won't even be able to keep to the schedule, never mind having meaningful meetings with heads of state.  He's ready for the Old Folks home, and already his wife Jill has had to finish most of his sentences for him.

Harris is a lot more dangerous and deranged in a different way than he is, and that's exactly what the Left wanted, and why she was content to go away quietly a year ago when she wasn't doing well in polls and debates.  The Party found a different way to get her into Power, and they told her that.

The second reason the Party kept him in his basement bunker -- in addition to not needing him to campaign and bringing out a token 12 people -- is that his clear cognitive decline was an embarrassment, and the more he talked, the worst things were.  An actual campaign would have been a disaster, and even the fraud artists might not have been able to pull off every popular vote over and above of the 200 votes he would have gotten from loyal supporters in denial.

The elections are just one portion of the overall melting pot......wait until the new year when the World Bank tells the govs, sorry guys all the money is gone.... :trainwreck:

Trump could go out with a roar:

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Styxhexenhammer666

Break all their toys


Pardon Manning, Snowdon, Assange, and most of the Federal prisoners. Release as much secret information as possible.

Just basically make Biden's presidency hell from the get go.

Boycott the inauguration. Don't meet him at the White House. Give him no briefings on foreign policy. Stiff him.

Go full throated attack on Biden's policies from day one. Demonize Biden as making America into another Venezuela.

Hold rallies on a regular basis to prepare for election of 2024. As Antifa and BLM did on the left, Trump should do the same on the right.

As economic conditions continue to worsen for the American worker, continue to hammer this point home.

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 09, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
Trump could go out with a roar:

Just basically make Biden's presidency hell from the get go.

Boycott the inauguration. Don't meet him at the White House. Give him no briefings on foreign policy. Stiff him.

Go full throated attack on Biden's policies from day one. Demonize Biden as making America into another Venezuela.

Hold rallies on a regular basis to prepare for election of 2024. As Antifa and BLM did on the left, Trump should do the same on the right.

As economic conditions continue to worsen for the American worker, continue to hammer this point home.

This has been my thinking over the last two days -- these five points that I selected. The most important part, though, may be the ascendancy of alternative media and corresponding platforms in which to repeat language contrary to the Left's and not acknowledging the "legitimacy" of their coup. It's important to match the domination of the Left.  Part of that will consist of legislation to prevent Big Tech from censorship and breaking up their monopolies.

By the way, merchandise would help:

Make America Venezuela Again.  (This is particularly effective since there was that phony red hat that a family member of mine wears:  Make America Mexico again.)

or....

We Made America Venezuela Overnight.

Congratulations to Joe Biden, President of the United States of Venezuela.

etc.

Time to go full-on and stop being the too-civil opposition -- assuming you are actually having a conversation with civil people, because you are not.

Quote from: Miriam_M on November 09, 2020, 12:41:53 PM

Quote from: King Wenceslas on November 09, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
Trump could go out with a roar:

Just basically make Biden's presidency hell from the get go.

Boycott the inauguration. Don't meet him at the White House. Give him no briefings on foreign policy. Stiff him.

Go full throated attack on Biden's policies from day one. Demonize Biden as making America into another Venezuela.

Hold rallies on a regular basis to prepare for election of 2024. As Antifa and BLM did on the left, Trump should do the same on the right.

As economic conditions continue to worsen for the American worker, continue to hammer this point home.

This has been my thinking over the last two days -- these five points that I selected. The most important part, though, may be the ascendancy of alternative media and corresponding platforms in which to repeat language contrary to the Left's and not acknowledging the "legitimacy" of their coup. It's important to match the domination of the Left.  Part of that will consist of legislation to prevent Big Tech from censorship and breaking up their monopolies.

An ex-president with only one term in, can be a very formidable opponent.

Trump can stalk Biden like a lion stalks his prey.

Every misstep that Biden makes, Trump can pounce via the new forms of alternative media outside the tech giants.

Harass, attack giving no quarter just like the Dems did to him for four long years.

If ever there is a real economic crisis (stock market crash, currency collapse) he can use his record that when he was president there was full employment and a roaring economy. Make Biden into another Hoover. Give no quarter. Utterly destroy the Democrat party like Roosevelt destroyed the Republican Party.

He needs to get rid of his bad characteristics such as his trollish behavior and his outspoken support for homos.

QuoteSo Crisis will obviously be over the election.  This will eventually be settled by the military run by Esper, likely in January.  Hopefully Trump is aware of all of this.

And Esper just got fired.

Quote from: james03 on November 09, 2020, 01:22:27 PM

And Esper just got fired.

YAY

That didn't take long.  Biden is now calling on Americans to wear masks to fight Covid.

He's also launched a 'Covid Task Force', right after Pfizer announced that its vaccine would be ready in time for Christmas. 

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After a briefing from his Covid-19 advisory board, president-elect Joe Biden urged Americans to wear masks as he raised fears of a "very dark winter" ahead.

His message followed positive developments from drugmaker Pfizer, which announced on Monday that its coronavirus vaccine candidate is "90 per cent effective".

The president-elect repeated his message of national unity, telling Americans to put aside partisan disputes as the nation endures growing infections, now topping more than 10 million confirmed cases, with nearly 240,000 deaths.

"It doesn't matter who you voted for, where you stood before election day," he said. "We can save tens of thousands of lives if we just wear a mask."

Pfizer is expected to file an emergency use application with the US Food and Drug Administration by the end of November, as the drugmaker has arranged with the federal government to distribute up to 100 million doses of the vaccine if it is proved effective.

But "the challenge before us now is still immense and growing", Mr Biden said in remarks from Delaware.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/biden-covid-mask-vaccine-update-coronavirus-b1719831.html

The message now is unity in order to defeat Covid.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 09, 2020, 05:15:23 PM


The message now is unity in order to defeat Covid.

TBH if that had been Trump's message, there'd be no doubt Trump would've won...

Few thoughts.

1. I doubt Trump would re-run in 2024, after being impeached and then fraudulently losing in 2020.

2. Since the evidence is overwhelming that Trump really won, he should win in the SC and/or the House.

3. My guess is the Repubs in the House won't invalidate the election out of cowardice, and the best chances are in the SC.  But the court is somewhat split.  Roberts seems likely to ignore the fraud and would be the deciding vote, if not Barrett in favor of Trump.

4. If the final decision is obviously biased, to prevent a Socialist takeover of the federal government, why shouldn't Trump continue as President post Insuguration day?   Would there be generals, governors, etc who would support that move to preserve a free and constitutional Union?  My guess is probably not.

Quote from: christulsa on November 09, 2020, 07:00:07 PM
Few thoughts.

1. I doubt Trump would re-run in 2024, after being impeached and then fraudulently losing in 2020.

2. Since the evidence is overwhelming that Trump really won, he should win in the SC and/or the House.

3. My guess is the Repubs in the House won't invalidate the election out of cowardice, and the best chances are in the SC.  But the court is somewhat split.  Roberts seems likely to ignore the fraud and would be the deciding vote, if not Barrett in favor of Trump.

4. If the final decision is obviously biased, to prevent a Socialist takeover of the federal government, why shouldn't Trump continue as President post Insuguration day?   Would there be generals, governors, etc who would support that move to preserve a free and constitutional Union?  My guess is probably not.

Alito
Thomas
Barrett
Kavanaugh
Gorsuch(?)

Roberts is compromised.

It was Roberts who cast the deciding vote to allow Pennsylvania to count votes after the deadline.  The U.S. Constitution couldn't have been more clear on this issue, and Roberts is not an idiot.  The Dennis Montgomery revealed 49 hard drives of black mail material will be used again to direct Roberts.  Montgomery himself stated that Roberts was in the hard drives.

Besides citizenship for DACA, Green new deal, and Obamacare 2, don't forget about the bail outs.  California, New York, and Illinois will get half a trillion.

Klaus Schwab, leading communist revolutionary:

QuoteIn 2004, Schwab created a new foundation using the US$1 million prize money from the Dan David Prize he received that year from Israel. The Forum of Young Global Leaders[7] aims to create a dynamic global community of exceptional people (under 40) with the vision, courage and influence to drive positive change in the world.

This dude almost looks worse than Soros, though it doesn't matter as they both are on the same team.

Adrenochrome drinkers....something tells me their women are even worse...

Interesting

"Biden wants a lockdown for 6 weeks-COVID 19 HELL-Crisis"

The rest of the article is in the link plus lots of entertaining comments. :)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8939863/Bidens-coronavirus-advisor-says-U-S-national-lockdown-4-6-weeks.html#comments


Biden's COVID chief says the US should go into a total national lockdown for six

WEEKS to avoid 'virus hell' and the federal government can borrow to pay workers

while country is shutdown

Dr Michael Osterholm suggests the US should go into a four-to six-week national

lockdown to combat the spike in coronavirus cases

He warns it is needed to stop the country entering 'Covid hell' during the next few months, which he says will be the 'darkest of the pandemic'
Osterholm claims it is the best way to keep deaths and hospitalizations down as the country awaits a vaccine
He also claims the economy can still be revived before a vaccine is distributed, even if a lockdown is enforced
The Biden advisor states that US could borrow the money to pay wages while businesses are forced to close 

Osterholm was announced as a member of Joe Biden's COVID task force by the transition team on Monday

Coronavirus hospitalizations and infections hit single-day highs in the US with the number of patients spiking to 61,000 and daily infections hitting 136,000

Deaths, however, are still about half what they were during the April peak with the average fatality rate at just under 1,000 per day

Despite Osterholm's calls for a national lockdown, the latest Gallup polling shows that less than half of Americans say they will likely comply
Dr Anthony Fauci insists a lockdown doesn't need to happen if Americans keep wearing masks and washing their hands
By FRANCES MULRANEY FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 00:16 GMT, 12 November 2020 | UPDATED: 13:30 GMT, 12 November 2020

A coronavirus advisor to president elect Joe Biden believes that shutting down businesses nationally for between four to six weeks could help the United States from entering 'Covid hell'.

Dr Michael Osterholm said Wednesday that a national lockdown may be the best way to keep hospitalizations and deaths down across the country until a vaccine can be distributed.

He claims that the country's economy will not suffer as a result, if enough money is borrowed to pay wages during the shutdowns.
Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, is one of the public health experts that the Biden transition team has appointed to its advisory panel. Biden says that the advisory board 'will help shape my approach to managing the surge in reported infections'.

It comes as coronavirus hospitalizations and infections hit single-day highs in the US with the number of patients spiking to 61,000 and daily infections hitting 136,000.

Deaths, however, are still about half what they were during the April peak with the average fatality rate at just under 1,000 per day. Fatalities are a lagging indicator and can rise weeks after infections because it takes time for people to get sick and die. 

Despite Osterholm's calls for a national lockdown, Dr Anthony Fauci says he wants to avoid that because there is 'no appetite for locking down the American public'.

He has insisted that a national lockdown doesn't need to happen if people adhere to public health measures like mask-wearing and hand-washing.
'We would like to stay away from that because there's no appetite for locking down the American public. I believe we can do it without a lockdown,' Fauci told ABC's GMA.

'You don't necessarily have to shut everything down. The best opposite strategy to locking down is to intensify the public health measures short of locking down. If you can do that well, you don't have to take that step... which has so many implications both psychologically and economically.

'Help is on the way. Vaccines are going to have a major positive impact.'

It comes as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo on Wednesday began pulling back opening hours of bars and restaurants, ordering them to close at 10pm daily from this Friday as cases in the state rise.

   Dr. Michael Osterholm, who was appointed to Biden's COVID-19 task force Monday, suggests that the U.S. should go into a national four- to six-week lockdown as it awaits a vaccine

Osterholm, however, believes that a more stringent national lockdown is needed, with uniform restrictions taken in each of the states if the rise in cases is to be combated.

He told Yahoo News that cases are rising as more people are being forced indoors due to the cold weather, where the virus can spread more easily. He also suggested people are suffering from 'pandemic fatigue' and are growing tired of wearing masks and social distancing.
'We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,' he said, according to CNBC.

'If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.'

He also referenced a New York Times op-ed written by himself and Minneapolis Federal Reserve President Neel Kashkari in August in which they had argued for a wider national lockdown.
The problem with the March-to-May lockdown was that it was not uniformly stringent across the country. For example, Minnesota deemed 78 percent of its workers essential,' they wrote. 'To be effective, the lockdown has to be as comprehensive and strict as possible.'

Osterholm suggested Wednesday that such as lockdown would bring the US in line with the likes of New Zealand and Australia where new daily cases have been reduced to under ten cases.

'We could really watch ourselves cruising into the vaccine availability in the first and second quarter of next year while bringing back the economy long before that,' he said.

Osterholm suggested that there were worse days ahead for the country if this kind of action isn't taken.

He spoke of places such as El Paso, Texas, where officials have already closed businesses as the healthcare system becomes overwhelmed.
Osterholm, who was among the members of Biden's task force the transition team announced on Monday, claimed that 'people don't want to hear that El Paso isn't an isolated event'.

'El Paso, in many instances, will become the norm,' he said, touting Biden as the person to explain this to the American people.

'I think that the message is how do we get through this. We need FDR moments right now. We need fireside chats. We need somebody to tell America, "this is what in the hell is going to happen",' he said.

Earlier this week, Osterholm suggested that the country is going to 'Covid hell' if it doesn't take actions to tackle the rising cases soon.

More in the link above.

We discovered NewsMax recently via streaming TV, lovin' it.  To the Right of Fox News.  100% calling out the massive election fraud.

They say it isn't over till the fat lady sings. Here, it isn't over until the Cath Lady (Justice Barrett) has her say, along with the rest of the Supreme Court. The AP claims the race is over at 290 to 217. But Biden is really at 259 at the most, without AZ and PA. This election is probably going to be settled in Pennsylvania. I believe Justice Alito ordered PA to segregate late arriving ballots, which augurs well for a future decision invalidating them.

President Trump is also at 232 at the least, with North Carolina already his. Georgia is another red state where he had a sizable lead before the tampering began. When his victory there is recognized, that will bring him to 248. Arizona where lawsuits are pending ties him with Biden at 259. And Pennsylvania will be the decider with President Trump winning at least 279-259 once the Supreme Court has its say in the state. There is precedent like in 2000, where the Supreme Court awarded Florida to Bush.

Quote from: Xavier on November 12, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
They say it isn't over till the fat lady sings. Here, it isn't over until the Cath Lady (Justice Barrett) has her say, along with the rest of the Supreme Court. The AP claims the race is over at 290 to 217. But Biden is really at 259 at the most, without AZ and PA. This election is probably going to be settled in Pennsylvania. I believe Justice Alito ordered PA to segregate late arriving ballots, which augurs well for a future decision invalidating them.

President Trump is also at 232 at the least, with North Carolina already his. Georgia is another red state where he had a sizable lead before the tampering began. When his victory there is recognized, that will bring him to 248. Arizona where lawsuits are pending ties him with Biden at 259. And Pennsylvania will be the decider with President Trump winning at least 279-259 once the Supreme Court has its say in the state. There is precedent like in 2000, where the Supreme Court awarded Florida to Bush.

For posterity's sake Trump will also get his due with Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan. History demands it!

The voting machines in Michigan and Wisconsin were compromised.  They were already forced to flip a House seat to Repub in Michigan after they discovered a corrupted machine.  Read that again.  When it is over, Trump could be over 300 electoral votes.  I'm upping my probabilities to 70% Trump wins.  I wonder what Greg will get for his $5MM bet.  Maybe he'll buy all of us some beer and a roll of Copenhagen.

Quote from: Heinrich on November 12, 2020, 07:56:38 PM

Quote from: Xavier on November 12, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
They say it isn't over till the fat lady sings. Here, it isn't over until the Cath Lady (Justice Barrett) has her say, along with the rest of the Supreme Court. The AP claims the race is over at 290 to 217. But Biden is really at 259 at the most, without AZ and PA. This election is probably going to be settled in Pennsylvania. I believe Justice Alito ordered PA to segregate late arriving ballots, which augurs well for a future decision invalidating them.

President Trump is also at 232 at the least, with North Carolina already his. Georgia is another red state where he had a sizable lead before the tampering began. When his victory there is recognized, that will bring him to 248. Arizona where lawsuits are pending ties him with Biden at 259. And Pennsylvania will be the decider with President Trump winning at least 279-259 once the Supreme Court has its say in the state. There is precedent like in 2000, where the Supreme Court awarded Florida to Bush.

For posterity's sake Trump will also get his due with Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan. History demands it!

Giuliani said there were 10 states with fraudulent ballots.  I wonder what the other 3 are besides Pennsylvania, Arizona,
Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina.

When are you people going to wake up?

Oh, I know, not until Biden is US president and America is full NWO.

Carry on.  May as well enjoy your last Christmas.

Quote from: mikemac on November 12, 2020, 11:31:49 PM

Quote from: Heinrich on November 12, 2020, 07:56:38 PM

Quote from: Xavier on November 12, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
They say it isn't over till the fat lady sings. Here, it isn't over until the Cath Lady (Justice Barrett) has her say, along with the rest of the Supreme Court. The AP claims the race is over at 290 to 217. But Biden is really at 259 at the most, without AZ and PA. This election is probably going to be settled in Pennsylvania. I believe Justice Alito ordered PA to segregate late arriving ballots, which augurs well for a future decision invalidating them.

President Trump is also at 232 at the least, with North Carolina already his. Georgia is another red state where he had a sizable lead before the tampering began. When his victory there is recognized, that will bring him to 248. Arizona where lawsuits are pending ties him with Biden at 259. And Pennsylvania will be the decider with President Trump winning at least 279-259 once the Supreme Court has its say in the state. There is precedent like in 2000, where the Supreme Court awarded Florida to Bush.

For posterity's sake Trump will also get his due with Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan. History demands it!

Giuliani said there were 10 states with fraudulent ballots.  I wonder what the other 3 are besides Pennsylvania, Arizona,
Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and North Carolina.

People were complaining about fraud in New Mexico & Minnesota as well.

Actually, it's a good thing that all this fraud is being exposed, not that it will make any difference to the outcome.

Maybe now, some of you might cotton on to how corrupt it all is.

Vote Trump hoping to make America great again, get Biden and the NWO.

It's coming ..... and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

I can pray my battle rosary.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 13, 2020, 07:07:40 AM
Actually, it's a good thing that all this fraud is being exposed, not that it will make any difference to the outcome.

Maybe now, some of you might cotton on to how corrupt it all is.

Vote Trump hoping to make America great again, get Biden and the NWO.

It's coming ..... and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Quite a gnostic tone you've taken, Miss Awkward.

Quote from: Heinrich on November 13, 2020, 11:09:16 AM

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 13, 2020, 07:07:40 AM
Actually, it's a good thing that all this fraud is being exposed, not that it will make any difference to the outcome.

Maybe now, some of you might cotton on to how corrupt it all is.

Vote Trump hoping to make America great again, get Biden and the NWO.

It's coming ..... and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Quite a gnostic tone you've taken, Miss Awkward.

What?

awkwardcustomer does have a point.

If we are in the end times or at least a chastisement, God has His plan and while He hears our prayers for deliverance, thems the breaks.  Our reward will be in heaven.

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
awkwardcustomer does have a point.

If we are in the end times or at least a chastisement, God has His plan and while He hears our prayers for deliverance, thems the breaks.  Our reward will be in heaven.

That battle rosary of James still is a good idea.

Quote from: james03 on November 13, 2020, 10:43:32 AM
I can pray my battle rosary.

It's a coming:
[yt]https://youtu.be/Hsh-aJBsasI[/yt]

Ferryman and Emmuel are the establishment republicans transporting the democrats towards the prize.

Josey and the Kid are Trump and me. Carpetbagger is "King Wenceslas"
[yt]https://youtu.be/5Sho8GETs80[/yt]

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
awkwardcustomer does have a point.

If we are in the end times or at least a chastisement, God has His plan and while He hears our prayers for deliverance, thems the breaks.  Our reward will be in heaven.

Agreed.

And I don't think AC is being "gnostic."  If she was, she would be claiming some kind of secret esoteric knowledge about the election.  Rather, she seems to be setting aside a "triumphalistic" prediction Trump will win.  i.e. the kind of certainty that would bet $5,000,000 Trump wins.  I myself never bought into the "Trump Is Absolutely Gonna Win, Because Everything Depends on Him Winning" position.  And at this moment there is not much we can do except attend "Stop the Steal" rallies and pray.

Trump rally last Friday.  We were there.  See pic far left, that's me holding up the white sign real high in the air.  It read "Stop the Coup."   The report was misleading (Tulsa World is leftist), saying "a few hundred supporters" gathered.  I walked around the crowd and counted upwards of 1000 (a lot more than in the pic).  But I didn't see 03.   :(

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/tulsa-trump-supporters-host-protect-the-vote-rally-in-protest-over-presidential-election-results/article_a7e2c056-203d-11eb-945d-97a702c55047.html

Quote from: maryslittlegarden on November 13, 2020, 01:17:38 PM

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
awkwardcustomer does have a point.

If we are in the end times or at least a chastisement, God has His plan and while He hears our prayers for deliverance, thems the breaks.  Our reward will be in heaven.

That battle rosary of James still is a good idea.

Absolutely, and for my own part, I remain optimistic.  I am not easily depressed anymore.

Americans holding 'Jericho Marches' to pray for Trump at every state capitol every day until Dec. 14

The Jericho marches are a '[p]eaceful protest, prayer march, and fasting in support of President Trump, as well as election integrity and reform.' They reflect a call issued by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who on the day after the election warned of 'the most colossal electoral fraud in history,' and beseeched people to pray.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/americans-organize-prayer-marches-for-trump-at-every-state-capitol

Basically ... if the Democrat establishment feels confident enough to rig the election on such a scale, and the global media feels confident enough to announce a Biden victory to the world, how will they ever step back from that?  They can't without looking completely ridiculous, which suggests that they know they will never have to.  They wouldn't have made the move they did without being certain of success.

Similarly, the rest of the world is entirely under lockdown and heading towards the NWO at breakneck speed.  How can anyone think that the globalists would have begun the NWO roll-out without being absolutely certain that the US election would go in their favour, whether by fair means or foul?  The NWO has been planned for decades and the fact that they chose to start rolling it out now suggests that they see America as no obstacle at all to their plans. 

I understand that the Covid lockdowns have been pretty easy going in the US so far.  If that's the case, prepare for a shock when they really begin to hit, which will be right after January 20th.  Spiritual preparation is the essence, but what about being psychologically prepared for that outcome?   Of course it's important to expose the fraud and fight for the result to be fair, because the truth matters.  But it's just as important to prepare for a Biden presidency, and the Covid lockdowns and vaccination programmes that will come with it.

Ever lived in a police state?  You soon will, just like everyone else. I've posted numerous videos about the horrors that are going on in the Covid lockdown world that exists outside the US.  Is America really so different that the same thing can't happen to you?  I know a lot of Americans think so. 

You've lost your own cities to the Left.  In fact you gave them away, by simply turning your noses up at them and moving to the hills.  Well, the cities are where all the power is and you don't have any.  Yes, you have cabins in the woods and smallholdings in rural area, and you have guns, but they have drones and let's face it, all they have to do is plough up the road at the bottom of your mountain, you know, the one you rely on for your supplies, not to mention visits to the dentists in the nearest town.  And then what?

These people mean business and they can't wait to kill you all.  Seriously.  My mother's family were Communists and I know how they think.  Stand in their way and they will annihilate you without even blinking.  They think of you as Kulaks and you know what happened to them.

And yes, I do think we are in the End Times and I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Antichrist is alive right now.  So why fight the reign of the Antichrist which is what the NWO will be.  Best thing you can do is hide and wait for Christ to come again.  And if you can help a few unbelievers also stay alive until then, you might save souls, because who will be able to resist Him?

Sorry if that sounds gloomy.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/us-raid-software-company-scytl-seize-servers-germany-intel-source-says-yes-happened/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/us-raid-software-company-scytl-seize-servers-germany-intel-source-says-yes-happened/)

It's not over. 4 more years of Trump will give us time to prepare.

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2020, 04:58:27 PM

Quote from: maryslittlegarden on November 13, 2020, 01:17:38 PM

Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
awkwardcustomer does have a point.

If we are in the end times or at least a chastisement, God has His plan and while He hears our prayers for deliverance, thems the breaks.  Our reward will be in heaven.

That battle rosary of James still is a good idea.

Absolutely, and for my own part, I remain optimistic.  I am not easily depressed anymore.

Actually this is me too, I didn't sink into depression with all this election stealing and my family rosary is all the more special, praying for holiness through Gods will in these times.

Quote from: awkwardcustomer on November 13, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
Basically ... if the Democrat establishment feels confident enough to rig the election on such a scale, and the global media feels confident enough to announce a Biden victory to the world, how will they ever step back from that?  They can't without looking completely ridiculous, which suggests that they know they will never have to.  They wouldn't have made the move they did without being certain of success.

Yes, they have rolled out the biggest con called Covid and are able to roll out this one too.  Everywhere else in the world is being told that Trump is a big baby who won't leave the office and hand it to the good Biden who won it fair and square.  There isn't even a trace or hint of the genuine concerns of election fraud. All my friends and relatives are sending each other the funny memes about Trump being dragged out of the whitehouse, that is what they think is actually needed.  Nobody bar truthers have a clue about the election fraud. 
Now I actually do think Trump may pull it out of the bag but I  believe this is to send the left into hysterical derangement to the point that they will literally eat the face of conservatives (which is anyone white).  This will inflame the civil war.

Similarly, the rest of the world is entirely under lockdown and heading towards the NWO at breakneck speed.  How can anyone think that the globalists would have begun the NWO roll-out without being absolutely certain that the US election would go in their favour, whether by fair means or foul?  The NWO has been planned for decades and the fact that they chose to start rolling it out now suggests that they see America as no obstacle at all to their plans. 

I understand that the Covid lockdowns have been pretty easy going in the US so far.  If that's the case, prepare for a shock when they really begin to hit, which will be right after January 20th.  Spiritual preparation is the essence, but what about being psychologically prepared for that outcome?   Of course it's important to expose the fraud and fight for the result to be fair, because the truth matters.  But it's just as important to prepare for a Biden presidency, and the Covid lockdowns and vaccination programmes that will come with it.

Ever lived in a police state?  You soon will, just like everyone else. I've posted numerous videos about the horrors that are going on in the Covid lockdown world that exists outside the US.  Is America really so different that the same thing can't happen to you?  I know a lot of Americans think so.

Yes in the USA you don't fully comprehend just how much we have been stripped of our freedom.  Its like we're already at the gates of the gulag, just waiting for the US to join us and then its full on mark of the beast once we all enter.  So far the biggest stumbling block is conservative America who have guns, they need you to fight the left and weaken each other so that post the uprising you are smaller and weaker and easier to bring into NWO

You've lost your own cities to the Left.  In fact you gave them away, by simply turning your noses up at them and moving to the hills.  Well, the cities are where all the power is and you don't have any.  Yes, you have cabins in the woods and smallholdings in rural area, and you have guns, but they have drones and let's face it, all they have to do is plough up the road at the bottom of your mountain, you know, the one you rely on for your supplies, not to mention visits to the dentists in the nearest town.  And then what?

These people mean business and they can't wait to kill you all.  Seriously.  My mother's family were Communists and I know how they think.  Stand in their way and they will annihilate you without even blinking.  They think of you as Kulaks and you know what happened to them.

And yes, I do think we are in the End Times and I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Antichrist is alive right now.  So why fight the reign of the Antichrist which is what the NWO will be.  Best thing you can do is hide and wait for Christ to come again.  And if you can help a few unbelievers also stay alive until then, you might save souls, because who will be able to resist Him?

Sorry if that sounds gloomy.

Not at all, Jesus victory is coming soon, Our Lady is about to crush the head of Satan.  Child raping and abortion will end, pride marches will not longer exist, those that brought about this time will fall into the pits of hell and we can worship God in all His glory for ever and ever.

Quote from: james03 on November 13, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/us-raid-software-company-scytl-seize-servers-germany-intel-source-says-yes-happened/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/us-raid-software-company-scytl-seize-servers-germany-intel-source-says-yes-happened/)

It's not over. 4 more years of Trump will give us time to prepare.

Very interesting stuff on Parler.

https://parler.com/post/f21398f2dcd1457189636ad0d1ef0d19 (https://parler.com/post/f21398f2dcd1457189636ad0d1ef0d19) (@ConservativeTreehouse)

and this Executive Order on foreign interference in a US election.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/09/14/2018-20203/imposing-certain-sanctions-in-the-event-of-foreign-interference-in-a-united-states-election (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/09/14/2018-20203/imposing-certain-sanctions-in-the-event-of-foreign-interference-in-a-united-states-election)

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/)

We went to the early part of the rally at Freedom Plaza in DC.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

We had to walk past a wall of hate filled creatures, so much like raging trolls at the bridge.  That was a huge adrenaline overdose!

Then it was gloriuous and patriotic.  Totally beat from a killer hike all over tarnation ~ should have taken the Metro.  Thousands of Trump signs and flags in super heavy traffic.  I think a whole lot of people have come to DC for this.  Thank God.   

Trump confidant tells LifeSite: the president has all the proof needed to show massive fraud, vote switching

Steve Mosher is urging Americans to not only pray for the president but to trust that the truth about election fraud will soon come out and that Donald Trump will be re-elected.
Fri Nov 13, 2020

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-confidant-speaks-to-lifesite-the-president-has-all-the-proof-needed-to-show-massive-fraud-vote-switching

behind-the-scenes chats of anons

Quote from: Lynne on November 14, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
behind-the-scenes chats of anons

:eek: :patriot:

It ain't over yet.  I already said my battle rosary tonight.  Have you?

Two questions:

1.  How does one say a "battle rosary"?  I may start tonight.

2.  What is the best gambling website to bet on the election? 

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNZJ2aDFRI [/yt]

It's not over.

Quote1.  How does one say a "battle rosary"?  I may start tonight.

Various ways, it's more of an attitude.

"I offer up this rosary in union with Archbishop Vigano and everyone responding to his call, that Trump will win and evil be crushed."

Quote from: Elizabeth.2 on November 14, 2020, 02:21:07 PM
We went to the early part of the rally at Freedom Plaza in DC.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

We had to walk past a wall of hate filled creatures, so much like raging trolls at the bridge.  That was a huge adrenaline overdose!

Then it was gloriuous and patriotic.  Totally beat from a killer hike all over tarnation ~ should have taken the Metro.  Thousands of Trump signs and flags in super heavy traffic.  I think a whole lot of people have come to DC for this.  Thank God.

I see there were 1 or 2 with you.  ;)   Huge crowd.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8MgRimjnY[/yt]

Answers to the questions about prayers, my friends:

On the necessity of praying -- the obligation of Catholics to pray for the vanquishing of the Satanic forces in the political world:

Fr. Ripperger's words start at 6:30 in the video below.  The first part is padded intro; skip over it.  This is where Fr. R's explanation starts, explaining the dynamic of demonic activity and powerful effects in the political sphere and in people's psyches at the moment.

In fact throughout the very long podcast, I recommend that you fast forward over everything except his own statements.  There's nothing erroneous about the rest; it's just boring, time-consuming, repetitive, and stuff you already know.  You want to hear from the person in the middle, who is probably the premier exorcist in the country right now (1) what is going on, demonically in this country, and (2) what we Catholics can do about it -- the attitude that we should have, the perseverance we should have, and why our response is important.

This podcast is not "a prediction," nor is Fr. R "making a prediction."  So our three or four healthy skeptics and doomsayers on the thread need not respond that "it's no use."  That's not a Catholic response, actually.  The Catholic response is to pray  -- and neither to presume nor to despair, interiorly or exteriorly. That Catholic response is important not only or even primarily to effect specific outcomes but to sustain ourselves and those who are fighting for justice -- for example, those in alternative media; those lawyers and justices who are working in whatever capacity to redress voter fraud; and us ordinary people, since we are always in a position to influence others.  We do have a moral obligation to pray for those in a position to bring about justice.

Importantly, prayer, sacraments, mortification, sacrifice, fasting, are also to sustain grace for ourselves for the battle, and we don't know how big that battle is going to become and what roles we will be called upon to play.  However you may be convinced that you "know the future" and "know how this will all end," that is also not a Catholic response.  It has never been Catholic teaching that we should be guided spiritually or practically by our private convictions about the dates and details of End Times or the "inevitability" of a particular scenario. And due to that supposed inevitability, to cease to work against evil. This is why even in private revelations, specific dates and other details are not mentioned.  This is part of "Partaking of the Fruit of the Tree of Good and Evil" that we are to avoid because it seeks to usurp knowledge proper to God alone.

Many of us on this forum already were fairly certain that the level and nature of the hatred, violence, aggression, deception, arrogance, and sowing of chaos we have seen unfold over the last 8 months were unnatural -- that they were on a level of the supernatural and that it would take Christ Himself, probably through His Mother (by His choice) to vanquish the demons in this spiritual battle. 

According to this exorcist, signs of demonic activity include not only the elevated quality of hatred and elevated manifestations of it, externally, but also the gaslighting, deliberate demoralization, bullying, attempts to shame the opposition, and rage by the demons inhabiting the mobs and the media-mob on account of the exposing of their sins -- the latter then resulting in a backlash, such as you see on CNN/MSDNC, with commentators vindictively suggesting revenge on the opposition, including violent revenge.  ("The Republican Party should be burned down" – that's a quote – does a normal person say that?  and urging of the "destruction," "elimination," etc. of those opposing a Democratic coup and anyone who opposed them in the last 4 years.)

Fr. R. goes on, when characterizing the demonic nature of mobs and media-mobs, to remind us that they arrogate to themselves a "right" to rage, a "right" to point the evil finger at others, not at themselves, from where the evil emanates, a "right" to destroy, to murder, etc.  This is typically demonic behavior.  You can see this in their eyes in the MSM, in the speech of certain politicians, and you can hear it in their deranged voices. Many of these people have become possessed.

The important point that Fr. Ripperger makes is that if we do not pray diligently, we put our own souls, lives, and peace at risk by becoming passive victims -- no matter what happens, should it not be God's Will to let justice triumph at this particular time.  It's one thing to fear and dread and even expect the emergence of communism here at home; it's another thing to be passive about it and be therefore complicit in ushering the demons in.  (Fr. R made a point about the link between demonic activity, demonic will, and communism. Several times he mentioned this.)

Footnote is that apparently the Command prayer that has been making the rounds of the Internet and that I posted in Prayer Intentions did not originate from Fr. R, but he said in the podcast that he approves of it and that it sounds like something he would recommend to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKrLr4jW0Eo

One more thing is that I have known for a while about Fr. R's book of Deliverance Prayers for lay people.  He mentioned some excerpts from it during the podcast, so you can extract that information as well.  In any case, now is the ideal time for me to get the book I have been putting off purchasing.

Who are the 3 or 4 doomsdayers ? who is being passive and not doing what their Catholic faith expects from them?  AFAIK all posters here are praying, fasting hard, offering up penances against this deranged world.  AFAIK nobody has said for definite what is going to happen but a few of us have offered an opinion on what MAY happen.

Sorry but I just felt that needed to be clarified as you specifically mention

Quote

So our three or four healthy skeptics and doomsayers on the thread need not respond that "it's no use.


However you may be convinced that you "know the future" and "know how this will all end," that is also not a Catholic response.

To be honest I've noticed nothing but a healthy Catholic response (including yours) to this Covid/NWO new world.

So if the media and lawyers block a fair audit or recount or even a redo of the election in the contested states, are you Americans going to invoke your 2nd amendment rights to an armed militia to force a fair election in those states?

If not, why not?

Quote from: diaduit on November 15, 2020, 04:07:01 AM
Who are the 3 or 4 doomsdayers ? who is being passive and not doing what their Catholic faith expects from them?  AFAIK all posters here are praying, fasting hard, offering up penances against this deranged world.  AFAIK nobody has said for definite what is going to happen but a few of us have offered an opinion on what MAY happen.

Sorry but I just felt that needed to be clarified as you specifically mention

Quote

So our three or four healthy skeptics and doomsayers on the thread need not respond that "it's no use.


However you may be convinced that you "know the future" and "know how this will all end," that is also not a Catholic response.

To be honest I've noticed nothing but a healthy Catholic response (including yours) to this Covid/NWO new world.

Thanks, dear.  :)
Truthfully, I try to ignore the negative intrusions, so I don't have a clear sense of names and even less interest in dwelling on that at all, actually.  But I have a sense -- and maybe it is more, or equally, on other threads -- that some equate pessimism (a legitimate opinion) with passivity, in that they couple their pessimism with implications or statements that "therefore" human beings, including Catholics, are impotent in the face of supposedly inevitable global/cosmic forces.

Yes, we are impotent as individuals, and in our human limitations, against cosmic events, but no cosmic events or a convergence of them is as powerful as God. That's a dogma of the faith, and I'm surprised at the tone (perhaps more than the specific words) of some Catholic posters who seem to suggest that as Catholics, there is nothing we can do.  When I read that, I tend to ignore the post because it harms my soul to read that.  My point is not to accuse specific individuals, and that's why I merely had a sense of there were "3 or 4."

If you view the podcast, you will see that Fr. R. makes a significant point about that -- the temptation to discouragement that the demons are right now as we converse banking on; they are manipulating our emotions, which is where the demons "hang out," so to speak.  They can't affect our wills directly, but there can be a slippery slope between deliberate attempts of theirs to discourage and their success rate in getting Catholics not to pray!

As you know, in the OT, when God sent His prophets, He sent them out of love, to warn His people.  He did not send prophets -- who sometimes foretold the next phase of the Israelites' situation -- in order to decree "the inevitable" for the purpose of encouraging despair.  The Prophets were sent to convert the people, to enjoin them to repent, change their lives, fast, pray, and follow divine law. 

If we do not pray, our lives will be worse off than we imagine: that is Fr. R's point.  We can "change history," if you will, if only on a micro scale, by how we respond, spiritually, to the signs that we see.

Hope that's clearer.  No?