What's your opinion on lace?

[Duchamp]

Lace, to me at least, makes vestments seem less substantial. I'm not a fan, and if I were pope for a day it would be one of the things I would ban.

A pope needs more to go on than personal preference. If the Church in the past approved of anything, then it is good in itself. A pope would need some proportionately and extrinsic good reason to suddenly forbid it.

It was little more than personal preference when a pope first allowed lace to be used in vestments. A preference that is only a few centuries old and is limited to the Latin rite. It was an aesthetic innovation that, quite frankly, should be done away with. Lace has the connotation of femininity, and in this day and age doesn't help the image of the Church.

It doesn't have the connotation of femininity, objectively, otherwise the Church wouldn't have tolerated it. But, I do agree that it would, perhaps, be a good extrinsic reason to limit it because of the weaknesses of our present, sick age.

As an actively culturally experimental artist. I can verify that Rube is completely correct. There are principles at work here, beyond alligator pullovers, and khakis. The reason I embrace alligator pullovers and khakis... is for the subtle unspoken reasons Rube presents... not because I like them. I pretty much hate them if I get the chance, actually, for the unparadise and pretension they represent.

Walter E. Williams said that the Commandments were a sign of not being in paradise yet. I agree. So I should probably be a little less harsh on alligator pullovers and khakis, and put them in the same camp.

[VeraeFidei]

On a more serious note, it is effeminate.

In your mind, not in the mind of the Church.

Whatever you say.

[Rube]

Lace, to me at least, makes vestments seem less substantial. I'm not a fan, and if I were pope for a day it would be one of the things I would ban.

A pope needs more to go on than personal preference. If the Church in the past approved of anything, then it is good in itself. A pope would need some proportionately and extrinsic good reason to suddenly forbid it.

It was little more than personal preference when a pope first allowed lace to be used in vestments. A preference that is only a few centuries old and is limited to the Latin rite. It was an aesthetic innovation that, quite frankly, should be done away with. Lace has the connotation of femininity, and in this day and age doesn't help the image of the Church.

It doesn't have the connotation of femininity, objectively, otherwise the Church wouldn't have tolerated it. But, I do agree that it would, perhaps, be a good extrinsic reason to limit it because of the weaknesses of our present, sick age.

As an actively culturally experimental artist. I can verify that Rube is completely correct. There are principles at work here, beyond alligator pullovers, and khakis. The reason I embrace alligator pullovers and khakis... is for the subtle unspoken reasons Rube presents... not because I like them. I pretty much hate them if I get the chance, actually, for the unparadise and pretension they represent.

Walter E. Williams said that the Commandments were a sign of not being in paradise yet. I agree. So I should probably be a little less harsh on alligator pullovers and khakis, and put them in the same camp.

Sorry to say, I don't know what you are talking about. Can you summarize in a sentence?

[Duchamp]

Lace, to me at least, makes vestments seem less substantial. I'm not a fan, and if I were pope for a day it would be one of the things I would ban.

A pope needs more to go on than personal preference. If the Church in the past approved of anything, then it is good in itself. A pope would need some proportionately and extrinsic good reason to suddenly forbid it.

It was little more than personal preference when a pope first allowed lace to be used in vestments. A preference that is only a few centuries old and is limited to the Latin rite. It was an aesthetic innovation that, quite frankly, should be done away with. Lace has the connotation of femininity, and in this day and age doesn't help the image of the Church.

It doesn't have the connotation of femininity, objectively, otherwise the Church wouldn't have tolerated it. But, I do agree that it would, perhaps, be a good extrinsic reason to limit it because of the weaknesses of our present, sick age.

As an actively culturally experimental artist. I can verify that Rube is completely correct. There are principles at work here, beyond alligator pullovers, and khakis. The reason I embrace alligator pullovers and khakis... is for the subtle unspoken reasons Rube presents... not because I like them. I pretty much hate them if I get the chance, actually, for the unparadise and pretension they represent.

Walter E. Williams said that the Commandments were a sign of not being in paradise yet. I agree. So I should probably be a little less harsh on alligator pullovers and khakis, and put them in the same camp.

Sorry to say, I don't know what you are talking about. Can you summarize in a sentence?

Just empathize a little. Since we no longer have the ability to edit our posts (they will be available to the singularity for as long as hosting provides). I'm inclined to no longer explain myself on this site. Particularly when the subtleties constitute my personal intellectual property and means.

One sentence: (You) Empathize.

[Rube]

Lace, to me at least, makes vestments seem less substantial. I'm not a fan, and if I were pope for a day it would be one of the things I would ban.

A pope needs more to go on than personal preference. If the Church in the past approved of anything, then it is good in itself. A pope would need some proportionately and extrinsic good reason to suddenly forbid it.

It was little more than personal preference when a pope first allowed lace to be used in vestments. A preference that is only a few centuries old and is limited to the Latin rite. It was an aesthetic innovation that, quite frankly, should be done away with. Lace has the connotation of femininity, and in this day and age doesn't help the image of the Church.

It doesn't have the connotation of femininity, objectively, otherwise the Church wouldn't have tolerated it. But, I do agree that it would, perhaps, be a good extrinsic reason to limit it because of the weaknesses of our present, sick age.

As an actively culturally experimental artist. I can verify that Rube is completely correct. There are principles at work here, beyond alligator pullovers, and khakis. The reason I embrace alligator pullovers and khakis... is for the subtle unspoken reasons Rube presents... not because I like them. I pretty much hate them if I get the chance, actually, for the unparadise and pretension they represent.
Walter E. Williams said that the Commandments were a sign of not being in paradise yet. I agree. So I should probably be a little less harsh on alligator pullovers and khakis, and put them in the same camp.

Sorry to say, I don't know what you are talking about. Can you summarize in a sentence?

Just empathize a little. Since we no longer have the ability to edit our posts (they will be available to the singularity for as long as hosting provides). I'm inclined to no longer explain myself on this site. Particularly when the subtleties constitute my personal intellectual property and means.
One sentence: (You) Empathize.

Yes, we do have the ability here to edit our posts.

And, the rest of what you wrote....I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Duchamp]

In a day or two you wont. (be able to edit your post)

I talk to individuals (or try to--living basically alone most of the time) I'm not interested in using language that is so precise that eventually a computer will be able to digest it, because we all "played by the rules."... and therefore we'll all be so sure of ourselves.

I can give you a little help: Lace = analogous to representation of paradise; Cultural expectations = alligator pullovers and khakis.

[Rube]

In a day or two you wont. (be able to edit your post)
I talk to individuals (or try to--living basically alone most of the time) I'm not interested in using language that is so precise that eventually a computer will be able to digest it, because we all "played by the rules."... and therefore we'll all be so sure of ourselves.
I can give you a little help: Lace = analogous to representation of paradise; Cultural expectations = alligator pullovers and khakis.

I am not interested in discussing in riddles. I like it straightforward and concise.

[LausTibiChriste]

I'm actually really shocked at the anti-lace sentiment on here. To be fair, I've never given it any thought really, but that's mainly because I always considered it part and parcel with liturgical vestments. I like it, and albs with well done lace can and do look really nice. But if it's effeminate maybe that means I'm a fag?

[Kaesekopf]

But if it's effeminate maybe that means I'm a fag?

Didn't need this thread to tell us that... 

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[Elizabeth]

Yes, we do have the ability here to edit our posts.

And, the rest of what you wrote....I have no idea what you are trying to say.

In order to understand Duchamp, one must understand DaDa.  Look up Marcel Duchamp and his Dada movement.   

[Rube]

Yes, we do have the ability here to edit our posts.
And, the rest of what you wrote....I have no idea what you are trying to say.

In order to understand Duchamp, one must understand DaDa. Look up Marcel Duchamp and his Dada movement.

Warped, twisted. Why name yourself after an atheist?

[Frater]

I love lace.

And the last thing we need right now is a new wave of archeologism advocating a return to supposedly simpler, less ornate times.

Besides, when the priest walks towards the altar with his rather taciturn face the last thing I think is that he looks feminine just because of a bit of lace in the extremity of his alb.

[VeraeFidei]

I love lace.

And the last thing we need right now is a new wave of archeologism advocating a return to supposedly simpler, less ornate times.

Besides, when the priest walks towards the altar with his rather taciturn face the last thing I think is that he looks feminine just because of a bit of lace in the extremity of his alb.

The problem with lace is not to much ornamentation. For example, I am all for appareled albs, but not lace ones. If you are going to make an argument, understand what you are arguing against.

[Archer]

I'm actually really shocked at the anti-lace sentiment on here. To be fair, I've never given it any thought really, but that's mainly because I always considered it part and parcel with liturgical vestments. I like it, and albs with well done lace can and do look really nice. But if it's effeminate maybe that means I'm a fag?

Is this your coming out party?

Lace: less is more.

[LausTibiChriste]

Note to self: No more self-deprecating jokes