Sedevacantism: Jumping the Cliff into the Universal Church of Despair

[Angelorum]

 

[mikemac]

Oh, and thanks, mikemac, for showing this video to folks, here at SD, although the moderators here prefer this kind of thread in the I'm-a-crazy-sede folder.

I forgot about that.  Well the mods can move the thread if they like.

[mikemac]

I LOVE thispriest! There's actually a site up now that has all of his sermons available. Romans10seventeen.com? .org? Something like that.

Yeah me too.  It's Romans10seventeen.org.
http://www.romans10seventeen.org/

A lot of the sermons on Audio Sancto are by the same priest too.
http://www.audiosancto.org/

[mikemac]

This sermon might go down as one of the greatest and most insightful of our age.  I'm going to outline the salient points and memorize them.  Bravo Mikemac for posting it.

Yeah it's definitely worth watching.

[LouisIX]

I never claimed to be an apologetical authority against this schizmatic ERROR.  I've only claimed to be one of the banner men against it. 

That's it, eh? 

[Mysterium Fidei]

I never claimed to be an apologetical authority against this schizmatic ERROR.

Another violation of the forum rule against dogmatic sedeplenist accustions.

Yeah, its pretty apparent the "dogmatic" rule on this forum only applies to Sedevacantists. It's been glaring for a while.

[Jayne]

I listened to the video and I did find it helpful, especially its message of "Stay close to Our Lady."  Everything else in this thread has been pretty pointless.

[FatherCekada]

After reading LaramieHirsch's timely blog post about the persecution of Christians by ISIS in Iraq titled "Iraq: What's the Big Deal?" I read a couple more of his articles on his blog.  I thought this article titled "Sedevacantism: Jumping the Cliff into the Universal Church of Despair" could be very helpful to some members of this forum.
http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.ca/2014/07/sedevacantism-jumping-cliff-into.html

This article highlights a recent video by the well known priest that speaks on a lot of Audio Sancto sermons, which I have included below.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTmEGy-u3AY[/yt]

Well done LaramieHirsch, for both articles.

Whistling Past the Graveyard into the Incoherent Ecclesiology of FSSP/SSPX...

[tmw89]

After reading LaramieHirsch's timely blog post about the persecution of Christians by ISIS in Iraq titled "Iraq: What's the Big Deal?" I read a couple more of his articles on his blog.  I thought this article titled "Sedevacantism: Jumping the Cliff into the Universal Church of Despair" could be very helpful to some members of this forum.
http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.ca/2014/07/sedevacantism-jumping-cliff-into.html

This article highlights a recent video by the well known priest that speaks on a lot of Audio Sancto sermons, which I have included below.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTmEGy-u3AY[/yt]

Well done LaramieHirsch, for both articles.

Whistling Past the Graveyard into the Incoherent Ecclesiology of FSSP/SSPX...

Ha!  I was hoping to see you post here!

Faulty as it is, ecclesiology-wise I would think FSSP < SSPX simply out of practical concerns.

Then again, in the over-all ecclesiology of the Trad landscape, I think it stands to reason FSSP & other Conciliar-affiliateds < current SSPX < Classic SSPX & Resistance < SSPV (although I'm sure you'd dispute that last one...!)

(edited for clarity)

[RobertJS]

I listened to the video and I did find it helpful, especially its message of "Stay close to Our Lady."  Everything else in this thread has been pretty pointless.

And, if you listen to an exorcism of the devil, you will find the part helpful when the devil expresses his belief in God.

[FatherCekada]

Ha!  I was hoping to see you post here!

Couldn't resist, alas!

Faulty as it is, ecclesiology-wise I would think FSSP < SSPX simply out of practical concerns.

A poem we learned in freshman year in the minor seminary would seem to fit in nicely here:

Theoria sine praxi
est currus sine axi,
sed praxi sine theoria
est asinus stans in via!

Theory without practice
is a chariot without wheels,
but practice without theory
is an ass standing in your way. 

On a more serious note, ecclesiology is everything, tmw!

Bishop Sanborn wrote a very important and objective article on the topic in 1991, Resistance and Indefectibility, which you can find here:

http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=21&catname=10

I recommend you give it a careful read.

God bless you!

[Roland Deschain2]

Not very impressed.

What I learned:

A true shepherd has a mission from the Church and is orthodox......so where does that leave Francis?

Apparently Vatican II did spawn a new Church which is different than what came before and will never exist again so.....get in line and march along.

Comparisons to abandoning our LORD at the crucifixion without actually addressing the theological underpinnings of the current response to the crisis that sedevacantists present.

What will the arguments be if, after the upcoming synod, the "Church" officially changes it teaching on divorced and remarried Catholics receiving the sacraments?

[LouisIX]

I never claimed to be an apologetical authority against this schizmatic ERROR.

Another violation of the forum rule against dogmatic sedeplenist accustions.

Yeah, its pretty apparent the "dogmatic" rule on this forum only applies to Sedevacantists. It's been glaring for a while.

Actually, that's not true.  If it seems that way it is simply because we see many more sedes making "dogmatic" posts than SSPXers or diocesan trads.  Just because Laramie's post hasn't been disciplined yet does not mean that it will not be.  The mods here take time to discuss potentially problematic posts in an attempt to make the best forum possible.  IF you think a post breaks forum rules then you should report it.  It does not help us see it if you merely complain about it in the thread.

Anyway, if you don't like the rules or how they are enforced, you are not forced to stay here, you know?  This is a sedeplenist forum with a great tolerance for sedevacantism.  It seems that people often forget this.

[Mysterium Fidei]

What will the arguments be if, after the upcoming synod, the "Church" officially changes it teaching on divorced and remarried Catholics receiving the sacraments?

I don't think the Modernists running the Conciliar religion will do that. They would never be that overt to officially change established teaching. They will say that nothing has changed and that the Church absolutely upholds the indissolubility and sanctity of marriage. However, the Church must show" mercy" and She must take a more "pastoral" approach to those in these difficult situations and that they must be examined on a case by case basis.

Basically, I think Francis is going to delegate to Bishops or even individual Priests to allow those divorced and remarried outside the Church to receive Holy Communion.

[RobertJS]

I never claimed to be an apologetical authority against this schizmatic ERROR.

Another violation of the forum rule against dogmatic sedeplenist accustions.

Yeah, its pretty apparent the "dogmatic" rule on this forum only applies to Sedevacantists. It's been glaring for a while.

Actually, that's not true.  If it seems that way it is simply because we see many more sedes making "dogmatic" posts than SSPXers or diocesan trads.

Anyway, if you don't like the rules or how they are enforced, you are not forced to stay here, you know?  This is a sedeplenist forum with a great tolerance for sedevacantism.  It seems that people often forget this.

It's a clarification of the rules. Would it be allowable here for any sedevacantist to claim the SSPX position is theologically impossible? Theologically impossible always means dangerous.