Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism

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QuaeriteDominum

Quote from: Catholic Knight on June 25, 2024, 06:20:33 AMSSPX accuses Archbishop Vigano of being a Sedevacantist.  Archbishop Vigano is NOT a Sedevacantist until he unequivocally rejects all popes since John XXIII as true popes. 

https://fsspx.news/en/news/vatican-activates-extrajudicial-proceedings-against-archbishop-vigano-45902

The problem I have with the SSPX commenting on this is that I believe it was unnecessary for them to weigh in on the matter officially.  Their short missive on this appears to be an attempt to defend +Lefebvre by proclaiming that +Vigano is not equal to +Lefebvre.  Perhaps this unneeded news release is meant to soften the possible upcoming papal fallout from the supposedly imminent Consecrations of new SSPX Bishops?

In any case, +Vigano is not the SSPX's battle and they would do more service to the matter by not taking sides, especially by creating a lame excuse for engagement like nuancing the general characterization of +Vigano as a fighter like +Lefebvre.

Bonaventure

QuoteThe problem I have with the SSPX commenting on this is that I believe it was unnecessary for them to weigh in on the matter officially.

100% Agreed.

Sadly, many in the SSPX act in a way that exudes Extra SSPXiam Nulla Salus.

Remember how Rostand acted in 2012? "The Church of Bishop Fellay," banning folks from chapels, etc?

QuaeriteDominum

Quote from: Bonaventure on June 27, 2024, 09:57:27 AM
QuoteThe problem I have with the SSPX commenting on this is that I believe it was unnecessary for them to weigh in on the matter officially.

100% Agreed.

Sadly, many in the SSPX act in a way that exudes Extra SSPXiam Nulla Salus.

Remember how Rostand acted in 2012? "The Church of Bishop Fellay," banning folks from chapels, etc?

Yup.

Many Trads suffer the ill effects of being militant, which can certainly be a virtue, but can easily lead to pride, which is not a virtue. The SSPX will suffer 2012 for many years.


Michael Wilson

Quote. Attendite a falsis prophetis
Msgr. Carlo Maria Viganò
Attendite a falsis prophetis


Announcement regarding the start of the extrajudicial criminal trial for schism
(Art. 2 SST; can. 1364 CIC)

The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of "Pope Francis" of having broken communion "with Him" and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process.

I regard the accusations against me as an honor. I believe that the very wording of the charges confirms the theses that I have repeatedly defended in my various addresses. It is no coincidence that the accusation against me concerns the questioning of the legitimacy of Jorge Mario Bergoglio and the rejection of Vatican II: the Council represents the ideological, theological, moral, and liturgical cancer of which the Bergoglian "synodal church" is the necessary metastasis.

It is necessary for the Episcopate, the Clergy and the People of God to seriously ask themselves whether it is consistent with the profession of the Catholic Faith to passively witness the systematic destruction of the Church by its leaders, just as other subversives are destroying civil society. Globalism calls for ethnic substitution: Bergoglio promotes uncontrolled immigration and calls for the integration of cultures and religions. Globalism supports LGBTQ+ ideology: Bergoglio authorizes the blessing of same-sex couples and imposes on the faithful the acceptance of homosexualism, while covering up the scandals of his protégés and promoting them to the highest positions of responsibility. Globalism imposes the green agenda: Bergoglio worships the idol of the Pachamama, writes delirious encyclicals about the environment, supports the Agenda 2030, and attacks those who question the theory of man-made global warming. He goes beyond his role in matters that strictly pertain to science, but always and only in one direction: a direction that is diametrically opposed to what the Church has always taught. He has mandated the use of experimental gene serums, which caused very serious damage, death and sterility, calling them "an act of love," in exchange for funding from pharmaceutical companies and philanthropic foundations. His total alignment with the Davos religion is scandalous. Wherever governments at the service of the World Economic Forum have introduced or extended abortion, promoted vice, legitimized homosexual unions or gender transition, encouraged euthanasia, and tolerated the persecution of Catholics, not a word has been spent in defense of the Faith or Morals that are threatened, or in support of the civil battles of so many Catholics who have been abandoned by the Vatican and the Bishops. Not a word for the persecuted Catholics in China, with the complicity of the Holy See, which considers Beijing's billions more important than the lives and freedom of thousands of Chinese who are faithful to the Roman Church. In the "synodal church" presided over by Bergoglio, no schism is recognized among the German Episcopate, or among the government-appointed Bishops who have been consecrated in China without the mandate of Rome. Because their action is consistent with the destruction of the Church, and therefore must be concealed, minimized, tolerated, and finally encouraged. In these eleven years of "pontificate" the Catholic Church has been humiliated and discredited above all because of the scandals and corruption of the leaders of the Hierarchy, which have been totally ignored even as the most ruthless Vatican authoritarianism raged against faithful priests and religious, small communities of traditional nuns, and communities tied to the Latin Mass.

This one-sided zeal is reminiscent of Cromwell's fanaticism, typical of those who defy Providence in the presumption of knowing that they are finally at the top of the hierarchical pyramid, free to do and undo as they please without anyone objecting to anything. And this work of destruction, this willingness to renounce the salvation of souls in the name of a human peace that denies God is not an invention of Bergoglio, but the main (and unmentionable) purpose of those who used a Council to contradict the Catholic Magisterium and to begin to demolish the Church from within, in small steps, but always in a single direction, always with the indulgent tolerance or culpable inaction – if not the explicit approval – of the Roman authorities. The Catholic Church has been slowly but surely taken over, and Bergoglio has been given the task of making it a philanthropic agency, the "church of humanity, of inclusion, of the environment" at the service of the New World Order. But this is not the Catholic Church: it is her counterfeit.

The resignation of Benedict XVI and the appointment by the St. Gallen Mafia of a successor in line with the diktats of the Agenda 2030 was intended to allow – and has succeeded in allowing – the global coup to take place with the complicity and authoritative support of the Church of Rome. Bergoglio is to the Church what other world leaders are to their nations: traitors, subversives, and final liquidators of traditional society who are certain of impunity. Bergoglio's defect of consent (vitium consensus) in accepting his election is based precisely on the evident alienity of his action of government and magisterium with respect to what any Catholic of any age expects from the Vicar of Christ and the Successor of the Prince of the Apostles. Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council.

This is also and principally an offense against the Divine Head of the Church, Our Lord Jesus Christ, Whose sacred authority Bergoglio claims to exercise for the detriment of the Mystical Body, with an action that is too systematic and coherent to appear to be the fruit of mere incapacity. In the work of Bergoglio and his circle, the Lord's warning is put into practice: Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the guise of lambs, but who are ravenous wolves at heart (Mt 7:15). I am honored not to have – and indeed I do not want – any ecclesial communion with them: theirs is a lobby, which conceals its complicity with the masters of the world in order to deceive many souls and prevent any resistance against the establishment of the Kingdom of the Antichrist.

In the face of the Dicastery's accusations, I claim, as Successor of the Apostles, to be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, with the Magisterium of the Roman Pontiffs, and with the uninterrupted doctrinal, moral, and liturgical Tradition which they have faithfully preserved.

I repudiate the neomodernist errors inherent in the Second Vatican Council and in the so-called "post-conciliar magisterium," in particular in matters of collegiality, ecumenism, religious freedom, the secularity of the State, and the liturgy.


I repudiate, reject, and condemn the scandals, errors, and heresies of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who manifests an absolutely tyrannical management of power, exercised against the purpose that legitimizes Authority in the Church: an authority that is vicarious of that of Christ, and as such must obey Him alone. This separation of the Papacy from its legitimizing principle, which is Christ the High Priest, transforms the ministerium into a self-referential tyranny.

No Catholic worthy of the name can be in communion with this "Bergoglian church," because it acts in clear discontinuity and rupture with all the Popes of history and with the Church of  Christ.

Fifty years ago, in that same Palace of the Holy Office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican II. His defense is mine; his words are mine; and his arguments are mine – arguments before which the Roman authorities could not condemn him for heresy, having to wait instead for him to consecrate bishops so as to have the pretext of declaring him schismatic and then revoking his excommunication when he was already dead. The scheme is repeated even after half a century has demonstrated Archbishop Lefebvre's prophetic choice.

In these times of apostasy, Catholics will find in Pastors faithful to the mandate received from Our Lord an example and an encouragement to abide in the Truth of Christ.

Depositum custodi, according to the Apostle's exhortation: as the time approaches when I will have to give an account to the Son of God of all my actions, I intend to persevere in the bonum certamen and not to fail in the witness of faith which is required of each one who, as Bishop, has been endowed with the fullness of the priesthood and constituted Successor of the Apostles.

I invite all Catholics to pray that the Lord will come to the aid of His Church and give courage to those who are persecuted for their Faith.

 

+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

June 20, 2024
S.cti Silverii Papæ et Martyris
B.ti Dermitii O'Hurley, Episcopi et Martyris
 
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

Santantonio

5 July 2024

Viganò excommunicated for schism

A press release from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith declares the excommunication "latae sententiae" incurred by the former nuncio to the United States, who does not recognize the legitimacy of Pope Francis or of the Second Vatican Council.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2024-07/vigano-excommunicated-for-schism.html

Michael Wilson

Santi,
thanks, that is why we have this thread and another couple like this. If the Vatican really and truly believed that +Vigano wasn't a Catholic, they would be inviting him to "Ecumenical dialogue"; "Fraternal worship" and making declarations on how it was really the Catholic Church that was wrong when they excommunicated him. Since this isn't happening (and wont happen); we know that +Vigano is a Catholic.
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

Santantonio

Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 07, 2024, 03:59:55 PMSanti,
thanks, that is why we have this thread and another couple like this. If the Vatican really and truly believed that +Vigano wasn't a Catholic, they would be inviting him to "Ecumenical dialogue"; "Fraternal worship" and making declarations on how it was really the Catholic Church that was wrong when they excommunicated him. Since this isn't happening (and wont happen); we know that +Vigano is a Catholic.

That's a humorous observation which I can appreciate. But to be more serious, my first reaction on the day Vigano decided not to appear in Rome and represent his viewpoint was disappointment. Then I understood he already decided that he would not appear because he doesn't recognize Bergoglio as Pope, which means he doesn't recognize the current Magisterium, either. Although I would have preferred him to appear, I also realize it would have been inconsistent of him to do so, even indefensible. I've also been wondering if he feared for his life, and the recent attention Libero Milone has drawn to the suspect death of Cardinal Pell (an ongoing topic (link) and the way he believes an element in the Vatican Bank, as represented by Cardinal Becciu's allegations against him (Milone) was lying to Francis. I'm not entirely convinced B/F (Bergoglio/Francis) was being lied to, although I'm leaning in the direction that he is in on the whole thing, even if he doesn't agree with this "group" that elected him, and he feels "used" by them, he turns a blind eye mostly. Still, Bergoglio's sympathies or ignorance don't really matter in the question about the state of his papacy, and its legitimacy. On the more frightening side, there could conceivably be jarring reasons he's doing this, and like Benedict, there could be all sorts of repurcussions that we, the public, are entirely unaware of, that weigh upon him, such as possible threats involving terrorism.

My first reaction was also disappointment in his dialectic that Vigano chose to go the heresy route in his objections to B/F, while ignorning the other, quite strong arguments against the nature of Benedict's confusing and suspect resignation and the manner in which the conclave took place (which B/F has admitted to lately) potentially being uncanonical on a conspiracy pact basis. And again I was disappointed when Vigano said on social media without any evidence that a former student from Argentina, back when B/F was Master of Novices of the Society of Jesus there, claims that B/F participated somehow in abuse somewhere in the very early 1970s. But we know B/F wasn't gay, because his former girlfriend has gone public years ago. I need more to believe it. I'm not sure Vigano isn't being lied to also, and there are no details at all about the nature of this accusation.

Anyway, there could be some positives, like how the Vatican is pressured to slow down on its transformations, and how the SSPX is sticking with its plan to bring change within the Church (I know there are quite vocal trads who disagree with me on this, it's why I was banned from Cathinfo years ago).

Michael Wilson

Quote from: Santantonio on July 09, 2024, 07:43:51 AMMy first reaction was also disappointment in his dialectic that Vigano chose to go the heresy route in his objections to B/F, while ignorning the other, quite strong arguments against the nature of Benedict's confusing and suspect resignation and the manner in which the conclave took place (which B/F has admitted to lately) potentially being uncanonical on a conspiracy pact basis. And again I was disappointed when Vigano said on social media without any evidence that a former student from Argentina, back when B/F was Master of Novices of the Society of Jesus there, claims that B/F participated somehow in abuse somewhere in the very early 1970s. But we know B/F wasn't gay, because his former girlfriend has gone public years ago. I need more to believe it. I'm not sure Vigano isn't being lied to also, and there are no details at all about the nature of this accusation.
 
1. Benedict's resignation from his very own testimony was valid, as he affirmed it afterwards.
2. The Conclave Conspiracy is difficult to "make stick", as there has always been behind the scenes maneuvering and politicking around the Papal election.
3.While the testimony is quite thin; there are two public letters from P.F. To Fr. James Martin and Sr. Jeanine Gramick praising their "ministry/outreach" to public sodomites and encouraging them in their sins
This is much more serious than any person transgression that Bergoglio might have committed, before or after becoming Pope.
4.While the above scenario of "no ecumenical" dialogue sounds humorous; its a sad fact that those who defend the Catholic faith are not welcome in the brave new ecumenical Church; while all sorts of heretics; abortionists; communists etc.etc. Are invited and met with open arms.
5.Its impossible to deny that Pope Francis is a public heretic, without changing the definition of the term. 
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez

Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 09, 2024, 12:34:41 PMIts impossible to deny that Pope Francis is a public heretic, without changing the definition of the term.

Which heresies does he explicitly espouse?

I readily concede that his actions, inactions, footnotes, and innuendos are scandalous, many gravely so.  Actions speak louder than words.  But that is not heresy.
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Michael Wilson

Many; if you want a pretty good list, you can consult this "Open Letter"
https://onepeterfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Open-Letter-to-the-Bishops-of-the-Catholic-2019.pdf
There are other heresies, but one would suffice.
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez

Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 09, 2024, 05:31:34 PMMany; if you want a pretty good list, you can consult this "Open Letter"
https://onepeterfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Open-Letter-to-the-Bishops-of-the-Catholic-2019.pdf
There are other heresies, but one would suffice.

I agree that the whole of the evidence is rather weighty, but it seems that the individual items are written in such a way that one could choose a plausible (if uncommon) interpretation of his words that is not heretical.

Pascendi prepared us for how to recognize this for what it is, but I don't see any slam dunks.
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Michael Wilson

C.J.
O.K. Explain this statement by Pope Francis in a non-plausible but also non heretical way:
Quote3. Amoris laetitia 299: 'I am in agreement with the many Synod Fathers who observed that "the baptized who are divorced and civilly remarried need to be more fully integrated into Christian communities in the variety of ways possible, while avoiding any occasion of scandal. The logic of integration is the key to their pastoral care, a care which would allow them not only to realize that they belong to the Church as the body of Christ, but also to know that they can have a joyful and fruitful experience in it. They are baptized; they are brothers and sisters; the Holy Spirit pours into their hearts gifts and talents for the good of all. ... Such persons need to feel not as excommunicated members of the Church, but instead as living members, able to live and grow in the Church and experience her as a mother who welcomes them always, who takes care of them with affection and encourages them along the path of life and the Gospel."' (II, IV)
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers

ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez

Quote from: Michael Wilson on July 10, 2024, 04:48:07 PMC.J.
O.K. Explain this statement by Pope Francis in a non-plausible but also non heretical way:
Quote3. Amoris laetitia 299: 'I am in agreement with the many Synod Fathers who observed that "the baptized who are divorced and civilly remarried need to be more fully integrated into Christian communities in the variety of ways possible, while avoiding any occasion of scandal. The logic of integration is the key to their pastoral care, a care which would allow them not only to realize that they belong to the Church as the body of Christ, but also to know that they can have a joyful and fruitful experience in it. They are baptized; they are brothers and sisters; the Holy Spirit pours into their hearts gifts and talents for the good of all. ... Such persons need to feel not as excommunicated members of the Church, but instead as living members, able to live and grow in the Church and experience her as a mother who welcomes them always, who takes care of them with affection and encourages them along the path of life and the Gospel."' (II, IV)

Quotethe baptized who are divorced and civilly remarried[/b] need to be more fully integrated into Christian communities in the variety of ways possible, while avoiding any occasion of scandal

If there is scandal, then the "ways possible" is an empty set and the statement holds true.

QuoteThe logic of integration is the key to their pastoral care, a care which would allow them not only to realize that they belong to the Church as the body of Christ, but also to know that they can have a joyful and fruitful experience in it

This does not claim that they are integrated as living members, only that they ought to be made aware that they could have a joyful and fruitful experience if they were.

QuoteThey are baptized; they are brothers and sisters; the Holy Spirit pours into their hearts gifts and talents for the good of all

God does send graces into the hearts of those who are in mortal sin.  Otherwise, none of them would ever repent.

QuoteSuch persons need to feel not as excommunicated members of the Church, but instead as living member[/b]s

He does not assert that they are living members but that they ought to be made to feel as living members.  This is a monstrous pastoral failure that fails to call them to conversion, but it's not a heresy.
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Michael Wilson

C.J.
QuoteIf there is scandal, then the "ways possible" is an empty set and the statement holds true.
"If", there is always scandal in allowing encouraging public sinners to receive Holy Communion as the above letter of the Pope did and which is now done in the Church generally by his orders.
Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on July 11, 2024, 10:56:53 AMThis does not claim that they are integrated as living members, only that they ought to be made aware that they could have a joyful and fruitful experience if they were.
Here is what the above document stated:
Quoteinstead as living members, able to live and grow in the Church
Sounds like it is describing them as "living members" to me.

Quote from: ChairmanJoeAintMyPrez on July 11, 2024, 10:56:53 AMGod does send graces into the hearts of those who are in mortal sin.  Otherwise, none of them would ever repent.
Yes, to repent from Mortal Sin, go to Confession do penance and amend one's life; not to continue in sin and add more sins to one's soul by sacrilegious Communions and public scandal.
QuoteSuch persons need to feel not as excommunicated members of the Church, but instead as living members, able to live and grow in the Church
One cannot "live and grow in the Church" if one is living in Mortal Sin, and one cannot have a "joyful and fruitful experience" unless one repents and goes to Confession and ammends one's life. This document encourages to live in sin and unfortunately that is how it has been explained by the Pope himself in his "response" to the bishops of Argentina query.


"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers