Benedict XVI dead at 95

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clau clau

#45
Father time has an undefeated record.

But when he's dumb and no more here,
Nineteen hundred years or near,
Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
(https://completeandunabridged.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-claudius.html)

Greg

If any of this video is correct then I don't fancy his chances.

Contentment is knowing that you're right. Happiness is knowing that someone else is wrong.

clau clau

#47
Quote from: Greg on January 05, 2023, 02:05:45 AMIf any of this video is correct then I don't fancy his chances.

Do you think you will get on the heavenly beach before the german?

I'll get me coat ...
Father time has an undefeated record.

But when he's dumb and no more here,
Nineteen hundred years or near,
Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
(https://completeandunabridged.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-claudius.html)

awkward customer

#48
Quote from: Greg on January 04, 2023, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: awkward customer on January 04, 2023, 10:53:15 AMWhat do you make of the fact that Benedict didn't call out Bergoglio for his manifest formal heresy? 

Didn't he recognise it?  Or was he one himself?

This confirms they were comfortable with each other.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/opinion/an-insiders-view-of-benedicts-resignation

Of course they were comfortable with each other.  They were both on the same side, the side of the Vatican II revolt.

Goldfinch

Quote from: Greg on January 05, 2023, 02:05:45 AMIf any of this video is correct then I don't fancy his chances.



Considering Wojtyła is a saint, there's no reason Ratzinger can't be one.
"For there are no works of power, dearly-beloved, without the trials of temptations, there is no faith without proof, no contest without a foe, no victory without conflict. This life of ours is in the midst of snares, in the midst of battles; if we do not wish to be deceived, we must watch: if we want to overcome, we must fight." - St. Leo the Great

Bonaventure

Quote from: Goldfinch on January 05, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: Greg on January 05, 2023, 02:05:45 AMIf any of this video is correct then I don't fancy his chances.



Considering Wojtyła is a saint, there's no reason Ratzinger can't be one.

Don't forget about Montini.
"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

Goldfinch

Quote from: Bonaventure on January 07, 2023, 12:37:26 AM
Quote from: Goldfinch on January 05, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: Greg on January 05, 2023, 02:05:45 AMIf any of this video is correct then I don't fancy his chances.



Considering Wojtyła is a saint, there's no reason Ratzinger can't be one.

Don't forget about Montini.

Given the fact that his cult is practically non-existent, I often forget about him.
"For there are no works of power, dearly-beloved, without the trials of temptations, there is no faith without proof, no contest without a foe, no victory without conflict. This life of ours is in the midst of snares, in the midst of battles; if we do not wish to be deceived, we must watch: if we want to overcome, we must fight." - St. Leo the Great

Santantonio

Quote from: Robert on January 02, 2023, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: Santantonio on January 02, 2023, 03:25:05 PM
Quote from: Robert on January 01, 2023, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: Santantonio on January 01, 2023, 11:40:47 AMSylvester was Pope when Emperor Constantine united the Roman Empire to the Catholic Church.

This isn't really true. It was Theodosius I who established Catholicism as the state religion. Constantine just allowed the Church official freedom, toleration, and support. He didn't even become a member of the Church until his deathbed, and even that is unclear since he was baptized by an Arian (that's not even getting into his tacit repudiation of Nicaea toward the end of his life, the lifting of Arius' exile, giving Arius and Arians places at court, and the fact all his sons were either Arian, Semi-Arian, or apostatised).

Regarding the katechon types in Thessalonians, the union isn't so much about having to be full but rather operational and not conflicting is sufficient. Regarding the baptism, the older legend and the art suggests that Syvester did baptise Constantine.

"It is recorded that Pope Sylvester baptized Constantine. The historical evidence for this pontificate for this era is sorely lacking for such an important time in Church history. What is known of Sylvester is given to us through the Vita beati Sylvestri. The lack of historical record, however, does not mean the events of history did not happen"
https://communio.stblogs.org/2009/12/pope-saint-sylvester-i.html

The legend regarding Pope St. Sylvester is of later origin, from the fifth century, and is logistically infeasible. The following are historical facts:

Constantine was baptized on his deathbed in 337.

He was at his Villa in Nicomedia at the time.

Pope St. Sylvester died in 335, and even when alive was always in Rome; preferring instead to interact with the Imperial Court via legates such as St. Hosius of Cordoba and the Bishop of Thessalonica (at that time under the Pope's patriarchal jurisdiction).

The Imperial Court Chaplain was, at this time, Bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia.

Bishop Eusebius, later Patriarch of Constantinople, was secured his See at Nicomedia by Constantine.

Bishop Eusebius was also the same man who secured from Constantine an Imperial pardon for Arius and an end to his exile.

Unless Pope St. Sylvester descended from Heaven to baptize Constantine, or was actually still alive and bilocated, it is impossible that he could have baptized him. Eusebius of Nicomedia, on the other hand, fits all the facts quite comfortably and we have records from around the time that list him as the one who baptized Constantine.

You are correct. The Acts of Sylvester tried to cover up the fact that Constantine was baptised by an Arian.
I will only add that it was still under Sylvester's reign that pagan Rome came to accept Christianity, the tides were turning, and since B16 died on the same day, when the tides seem to be turning the other way, and that he may have been the true Pope, not Francis, it could be seen as related to the katechon phenomena.

Jmartyr

It is not about orthodoxy. It is about a feeling for the divine.
"If anyone is excommunicated it is not I, but the excommunicators." - Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
" A false church cannot have a true mission." - St. Francis De Sales
" The way is open for us to deprive councils of their authority, contradict their acts freely, and profess confidently, whatever SEEMS to be true. " - Martin Luther