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Lyubov

January 04, 2013, 02:22:21 AM
The European Catholic tradition of giving boys "Mary", "Marie", or "Maria" as a middle name is a wonderful tradition. Sadly, in North America this rarely happens. In Europe, almost all of the Catholic royal families give their sons the name. Examples:

Albert Félix Humbert Théodore Christian Eugène Marie (current King of the Belgians)
Philippe Léopold Louis Marie (current Belgian heir)
Juan Carlos Alfonso Víctor María (current King of Spain)
Henri Albert Gabriel Félix Marie Guillaume (current Grand Duke of Luxembourg)
Guillaume Jean Joseph Marie (current Luxembourger heir)
Hans Adam Ferdinand Alois Josef Maria Marko d'Aviano Pius (current Prince of Liechtenstein)
Alois Philipp Maria (current Liechtensteiner heir)

These are just a few samples of a widespread practice. So, what do you think? :D

P.S.- I know that there are certain names that some consider to be masculine versions of "Mary", such as "Marius" or "Mario", but they aren't, really. These names do not actually share an etymology with the name "Mary". I am specifically wondering whether you would be willing to give your sons a feminine name to honour the Blessed Virgin. :)
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The Harlequin King

#1
January 04, 2013, 02:28:59 AM
As a middle name, I think it's okay.

I am fairly certain that Marion is genuinely a male form of Mary. The actor John Wayne's real name was Marion Morrison.

Lyubov

#2
January 04, 2013, 02:30:23 AM
Quote from: The Harlequin King on January 04, 2013, 02:28:59 AM
I am fairly certain that Marion is genuinely a male form of Mary.

I believe you are correct. I forgot about that one!
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totiusque

#3
January 04, 2013, 02:43:55 AM
You can't forget one of the greatest saints devoted to Our Lady - St. Louis Marie de Montfort.

My wife and daughter both have Marie as a middle name and we are considering it for our second girl as well.  I put "Maybe" down since I'm not sure if we would use it for a boy's name, but we'd probably consider it.
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Bonaventure

#4
January 04, 2013, 02:51:42 AM
Maybe.

I don't see myself using the English variant, but if they had a French, Italian, or Spanish name, perhaps.
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jovan66102

#5
January 04, 2013, 02:54:36 AM
My sons are Zachary Joseph Mary, Charles Albert Mary and John Matthias Mary. :)
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Lyubov

#6
January 04, 2013, 02:55:27 AM
Quote from: jovan66102 on January 04, 2013, 02:54:36 AM
My sons are Zachary Joseph Mary, Charles Albert Mary and John Matthias Mary. :)

I knew you would respond to this thread!  ;D
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Vetus Ordo

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January 04, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
Quote from: Lyubov on January 04, 2013, 02:22:21 AM
The European Catholic tradition of giving boys "Mary", "Marie", or "Maria" as a middle name is a wonderful tradition.

You forgot to mention that there's also the reverse tradtion: naming girls as "Joseph" or "John." Often you hear names like "Maria José" (Mary Joseph) or "Maria João" (Mary John).

In Spain, there's also the odd tradition of naming boys "Jesús." That's one I'm uncomfortable with.
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Lyubov

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January 04, 2013, 03:21:20 AM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on January 04, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
Quote from: Lyubov on January 04, 2013, 02:22:21 AM
The European Catholic tradition of giving boys "Mary", "Marie", or "Maria" as a middle name is a wonderful tradition.

You forgot to mention that there's also the reverse tradtion: naming girls as "Joseph" or "John." Often you hear names like "Maria José" (Mary Joseph) or "Maria João" (Mary John).

You're right. The last Queen of Italy, a Belgian princess, was named Marie José.  :)
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OCLittleFlower

#9
January 04, 2013, 02:58:26 PM
I wouldn't, for a few reasons.

1) It isn't really done in our country, and I wouldn't want people thinking he was a fruit or making fun of him.  There's nothing WRONG with it, but we don't HAVE to do it either.

2) I promised my grandmother, Mary, that I would name a daughter after her -- or at least some variation like Marie.  So, I don't see us giving our son the same name as his sister.   :P
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Eliza

#10
January 04, 2013, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: jovan66102 on January 04, 2013, 02:54:36 AM
My sons are Zachary Joseph Mary, Charles Albert Mary and John Matthias Mary. :)

Love it. Good on you, Jovan!

Gottmitunsalex

#11
January 04, 2013, 04:41:07 PM
In Germany, Austria it is (was) commonplace in Catholic families to name the boys,  Maria

Example:
Claus Philipp Maria Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg
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Ancilla Domini

#12
January 04, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
It's not a tradition I'm fond of.

There are plenty of good Catholic names for both boys and girls. I don't see the need to mix them.

Ancilla Domini

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January 04, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on January 04, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
In Spain, there's also the odd tradition of naming boys "Jesús." That's one I'm uncomfortable with.

Agreed.  :)

OCLittleFlower

#14
January 04, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: Ancilla Domini on January 04, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on January 04, 2013, 03:13:10 AM
In Spain, there's also the odd tradition of naming boys "Jesús." That's one I'm uncomfortable with.

Agreed.  :)

Ditto.  That name should be reserved only for Our Lord, IMO.
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