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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2022, 06:32:41 PM »
Why do we not believe U.S. Generals when they say that the Ukies are winning; but do believe them when they say that they are losing; and vice-versa?
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2022, 11:46:10 PM »
Why do we not believe U.S. Generals when they say that the Ukies are winning; but do believe them when they say that they are losing; and vice-versa?
Because the facts indicate that the Ukrainians are not winning but they are losing.
 
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2022, 01:49:38 AM »
Why do we not believe U.S. Generals when they say that the Ukies are winning; but do believe them when they say that they are losing; and vice-versa?

For the same reason we believe a banker who exposes a banking fraud. Or a doctor who exposes pharmaceutical fraud.  They are acting against their interests
 
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2022, 10:20:46 AM »
Why do we not believe U.S. Generals when they say that the Ukies are winning; but do believe them when they say that they are losing; and vice-versa?

The general has absolutely nothing to gain by making this admission, and everything to lose.

It's the same way Romans who saw Christians die for their faith and came to know the truth, except in this situation we don't really need faith since the only news to ever come from the pro-NATO propaganda outlets turns out to be a lie EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2022, 11:28:13 AM »
Why do we not believe U.S. Generals when they say that the Ukies are winning; but do believe them when they say that they are losing; and vice-versa?
Because the facts indicate that the Ukrainians are not winning but they are losing.
The Ukrainians may be losing, but all the posts by U.S. Military experts have been "booed" and portrayed as lackeys of the N.W.O. While now that a U.S. General is telling us that the Ukies are losing, he is now a hero; could this not be a ploy from the N.W.O. ?
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2022, 11:31:58 AM »
I'm surprised that more of the armchair moralists on this forum are not commenting on Ukraine's using its own citizens as human shields and not fighting according to the rules of civilised war, the separation of civilians and military.

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Earlier Ukraines governor for Luhansk, Serhiy Haidai, said some 800 civilians including children were sheltering in bunkers at the Azot plant. He said Russian shelling had caused a big fire at the plant, but did not report any Ukrainian casualties.

Multiple times in this war, we find that the places were the UKR soldiers are making their last stand are filled with women and children, so that the Russian army are facing killing women and children if they attack it.  Then the Russians then have to essentially siege the place and starve them out.

Why on earth would women and children need to be in a huge chemical plant or a steelworks?

It's an obvious tactic of slowing down the Russian advance, but an immoral one.
 
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2022, 01:00:47 PM »
And you dismiss all claims of Russian atrocities; so I guess we could call you an "armchair immoralist"?
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2022, 06:50:25 PM »
And you dismiss all claims of Russian atrocities; so I guess we could call you an "armchair immoralist"?

You're trying to accuse others of ignoring atrocities allegedly made by Russians while you are ready to do the same for Ukraine. Considering the shameless liars in Ukraine's corner, you have zero legs to stand on when you begin your "whataboutism" rhetoric.
 
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2022, 07:52:26 PM »
And you dismiss all claims of Russian atrocities; so I guess we could call you an "armchair immoralist"?

 Considering the shameless liars in Ukraine's corner, you have zero legs to stand on when you begin your "whataboutism" rhetoric.
Mr. Wilson. Do you realize  that the Ukrainians have been lying?
https://needtoknow.news/2022/06/fired-ukrainian-official-admits-she-lied-about-russians-committing-mass-rape-to-convince-west-to-send-more-weapons/
 
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2022, 02:01:13 AM »
And you dismiss all claims of Russian atrocities; so I guess we could call you an "armchair immoralist"?

I haven't dismissed anything which has not subsequently turned out to be bullshit.  So I was right to dismiss it.

Are Russians committing some atrocities?  Yes, of course they are, it is war.  Atrocities always happen in war. 

The winning side has the power to cover it up, better than the losing side.

The bigger picture is that this is a battle between the God hating naturalists in the New World Order (our governments) and their opponent Russia and others.  While Russia aren't perfect they are God's instrument to fight against the NWO, a fly in the ointment, a spanner in the works, a cog in the machine.  Anyone THAT hated by the transhumanist God haters must be worth supporting.
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2022, 02:33:51 AM »
Why do we not believe U.S. Generals when they say that the Ukies are winning; but do believe them when they say that they are losing; and vice-versa?

For the same reason we believe a banker who exposes a banking fraud. Or a doctor who exposes pharmaceutical fraud.  They are acting against their interests

Or he could be taking money from Russia, or he could be too fixated on tactical level analysis, overlooking operational and political levels of war (common among former commanders).

The reality is that Russia has tactical advantage on Donbas part od the front, yet for weeks now are unable to make progress and the Ukrainian defense holds quite well. Eventually Ukrainians will probably withdraw to Kramatorsk - Slovyansk line to shorten the front, while for now they keep bleeding Russian troops out in Severodonetsk. Russia has too few troops to conduct offensive operations on multiple directions. Remember when they broke though near Popasna coupe of weeks ago? Now they are stalled because they did not have enough manpower to follow up the initial breakthrough (they had to pull out troops from the south which gave Ukrainians time to bring reinforcements and seal the gap in defences).

To be informed about the conflict you need to follow various militarny analysts who put together scant information that comes from the frontline and are able to interpret it, rather than following sensational media headlines which are intended to gain more clicks.
 

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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
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Re: Ukraine Has Lost, Must Negotiate With Russia - US General
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2022, 06:34:11 AM »
Russia has too few troops to conduct offensive operations on multiple directions. Remember when they broke though near Popasna coupe of weeks ago? Now they are stalled because they did not have enough manpower to follow up the initial breakthrough (they had to pull out troops from the south which gave Ukrainians time to bring reinforcements and seal the gap in defences).

To be informed about the conflict you need to follow various militarny analysts who put together scant information that comes from the frontline and are able to interpret it, rather than following sensational media headlines which are intended to gain more clicks.

1.  I don't follow any media headlines at all.  I only listen to various analysts.  When what they say comes about then I score them higher.  When what they predict does not come about I score them lower.

2.  Russia is winning.  It does not have to win in a way acceptable to US or western military strategists.  It does not have to win to your timetable or the media's timetable.  Every war they have ever fought and won has been a dirty, slow, grinding war.  It is their way.

And it is screwing with the western economies too.  Russians are not facing high food prices or high gas prices at home and their currency is appreciating.  All that high priced all means that even the discounted oil they are selling to India is profitable for them.

The USA has to win wars quickly because Americans have the attention spans of goldfish and a 2 year election cycle.  If they have not won the war by the next Superbowl or new season of "The Batchelor" or if Americans have more than 5000 body bags come home and too many folded flags then you quit and start throwing your toys out of the pram.

The Russians are not like that.  They don't have that mentality.
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