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Salvador Ramos
« on: May 26, 2022, 05:08:53 AM »
Broken home, hardly saw his father, lived with grandparents.  Grandfather was a fellon.

Wonder why with 300 million people this does not happen more often.  A nihilistic take down of people and a big middle finger to society.

I would think it was a reasonably common state of mind.
 

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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2022, 05:39:49 AM »
Broken home, hardly saw his father, lived with grandparents.  Grandfather was a fellon.

Wonder why with 300 million people this does not happen more often.  A nihilistic take down of people and a big middle finger to society.

I would think it was a reasonably common state of mind.

Why would you make a thread about this piece of garbage?

The reason why it doesn't happen more often is because personal tragedy and hardship don't often make decent people go out and murder little children.

Why would you think this is common???? What's common is people doing their best in their given situations and moving on from there, not murdering children because life was tough.
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2022, 06:16:06 AM »
Furthermore, who would want this little invertebrate troglodyte's actions to be rationalized if it was one of their children he murdered?

This disgusting tread should be deleted.
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2022, 06:21:40 AM »
Broken home, hardly saw his father, lived with grandparents.  Grandfather was a fellon.

Wonder why with 300 million people this does not happen more often.  A nihilistic take down of people and a big middle finger to society.

I would think it was a reasonably common state of mind.

Why would you make a thread about this piece of garbage?

The reason why it doesn't happen more often is because personal tragedy and hardship don't often make decent people go out and murder little children.

Why would you think this is common???? What's common is people doing their best in their given situations and moving on from there, not murdering children because life was tough.

You underestimate left-leaning America's ability to feel sorry for themselves. Absolving yourself of responsibility by playing the victim role is very "In". And in a country that has become addicted to self-loathing, it's also a very effective strategy for getting whatever you want.
 

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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2022, 07:10:19 AM »
personal tragedy and hardship don't often make decent people go out and murder little children

Really?  How many abortions does America perform every year?

300 million Americans.  Lots of mentally unstable nihilistic people.  Lots of indecent ones aborting their children.

As I said, surprised it does not happen more often.  There are lots of people brought up in shitty homes like Ramos.  Somehow they don't have the combination or death-wish, nihilism and hatred for society he had.

Why make a thread?  Because it is a major school shooting event.  The biggest since Sandy Hook.  That is what we do on this forum, discuss current events.

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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2022, 07:33:55 AM »
Is the six year old school shooter of Kayla Rowland "garbage" too?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/crime-history-6-year-old-is-youngest-shooter-to-kill-at-school

Obviously, somewhere between the age of 6 and 18 people become more and more aware of and culpable for their actions, but it is extremely rare to find a person who mass murders strangers after a happy family upbringing even if they have mental health problems.  The reality appears to be that evil acts like this come from a soul that is empty and has rejected any notion that there is anything good or anyone innocent.  It is a despairing act and a poke in the eye at "society".

It's curious to me that people are this messed up at the age of 18.  At 35 after a messy divorce and in a load of personal debt, then I can see it or at 50 when your health starts to decline or you conclude you've been screwed over by the government or framed for a crime.

This is after all true of children subjected to abuse at a young age and child soldiers in Africa.  Some of them can be saved and some are unsalvageable and end up destroying themselves.
 

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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2022, 07:35:34 AM »
People killing their pre-born children is not the same as murdering school children, because people lie to themselves about what abortion is.

Seems like this thread is just giving undue attention to a low-life brat.
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2022, 07:44:31 AM »
They are THEIR children.

To murder your own children is arguably just as bad if not worse than murdering other peoples.  You should have a greater natural love for your own children.

Lie to themselves?  Right, with all of the scans and the pictures or babies everyone has seen for the last 40 years they lie to themselves.

People also lie to themselves about whether God exists.  If they believe God does not exist then murder is justified.  Ramos just culled some evolved apes.
 
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2022, 07:49:33 AM »
They are THEIR children.

To murder your own children is arguably just as bad if not worse than murdering other peoples.  You should have a greater natural love for your own children.

Lie to themselves?  Right, with all of the scans and the pictures or babies everyone has seen for the last 40 years they lie to themselves.

People also lie to themselves about whether God exists.  If they believe God does not exist then murder is justified.  Ramos just culled some evolved apes.

This is a whole different topic and acknowledging that people lie to themselves about abortion doesn't mean one sympathizes with the reasons for doing so, or excuses people for doing so either, it's an observation that many people hypocritically, and irrationally, LIE TO THEMSELVES about abortion not being murder. Lying to oneself implies a known guilt on their part.
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2022, 08:28:21 AM »
Perhaps Ramos lied to himself too.

As I said, no God, no murder since in that case the fifth commandment is a fiction.

Nature is murdering things all the time.  Red in tooth and claw.

If such a thing as natural law exists, put there by God, then it SHOULD inform a woman not to murder the child inside her.  After all that is a very basic function of nature.

If it does not inform a woman, then how can we know what mentally ill Ramos thought about the school children he killed?

Very simple to understand this.  He is a messed up, mental, criminal man-child with crappy parenting in a crappy society and without a Catholic Church to help him because the priests in his Latino community are largely apostates.  Had he had a decent Catholic school and been scared with thoughts of burning forever in Hell he would almost certainly not have murdered those children.  And millions of Catholic women would not abort their children either.


 
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2022, 08:42:40 AM »
I see, so it's basically everybody else's faut that the kid went and gunned down a bunch a grade-schoolers.
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2022, 08:55:02 AM »
Well, if a 6 year old guns down a classmate then we certainly look to blame the parents of that child.  The child is below the age of criminal responsibility and then there is a sort of share of the blame to apportion as the child gets older and experiences life and copes with stresses and strains and mental disorders.

And child soldiers in Africa are not blamed for their actions usually because we understand that most of them were brainwashed.  Nor do we put the insane into prisons, because we understand they are not in their right mind.

So, to some extent yes.  Society is to blame.  A society that says to an 18 year old that he is worthless, because it is godless and only the fittest survive and all that matters is the material goods you can acquire and those who are poor are bullied at school (which I believe he was), is somewhat to blame when a mentally unstable person goes on a rampage.

It is Ramos' fault, his parents fault, the bullies at school's fault, the secular media's fault, the assholes who locked him down for the last couple of years with no good reason etc.  There's a complex soup of reasons why a person ends up so messed up at 18 that they take revenge on a bunch of school children.

It does not happen as often in places or at times where the culture is not so degraded.  So the culture (which those in power are responsible for) contributes to it and thus shares some of the blame.
 
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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2022, 09:01:48 AM »
You bring up good points, but when a person picks up a gun and shoots school children with it, they lose their voice and need to die.
Why contribute to the negative effects our society produces by using this cunt's name and rationalizing his actions?

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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2022, 10:22:59 AM »
Does the six year old child in the above example need to die then?

If not then where does one draw the line ?  And it is a line or a spectrum where depending on circumstances and all sorts of other things that only God has a real understanding of we would find it difficult to say how much was mental illness and how much was evil intent?

I agree that as an active shooter that Ramos needed to die to stop him continuing to shoot.

But I am still sad that at 18 people are this messed up, especially people who don't have a history or torturing animals or being well known for being evil.
 

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Re: Salvador Ramos
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2022, 11:57:34 AM »
A 16 year old female passenger died in a horrific car crash less than a month ago in my small, rural, bible-belt town. When a moment of silence was announced over the school intercom, apparently a number of students began jeering about how the girl who died 'deserved it', and 'good riddance'.

My son, who shared some classes with her (including the one with the jeering) was aghast. Some doing the jeering were 'God fearing' Trads or NO attending Catholics.

Students were merely told to 'settle down', because teachers have no control or power, as parents have abdicated responsibility over their children to the kids themselves, letting them form a hive mentality. We can see this in society at large, where all sorts of factions devolve into brain rot over wanting to fit in with a particular group.

This will not end anytime soon. And it's not the left's fault, or the right's fault. It is on all of us.
Feels like Groundhog Day again.
 
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