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Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2022, 01:49:12 PM »
it can also refer to unnatural sexual acts between people of opposite sex.
There are priests who say that sexual activity between two married people is not Sodomy as long as it does not involve artificial contraception and in the end it is open to producing children.  Are they heretics? Is there an infallible document which confirms that these priests  are heretics?
No, the sexual act to be licit, must not deliberately exclude progeny; any act of copulation that is not of itself for engendering children is Sodomic. Any sexual act in which the procreative end is deliberately frustrated or excluded is Onanism.  Marriage is not a license to do whatever one wants; even the marriage act must be in accord with morality and its natural purpose. 
Here is a quote from a standard volume of Moral Theology: John McHough, O.P. & Charles Callan, O.P. "Moral Theology-A complete Course Based On St. Thomas Aquinas And the Best Modern Authorities" Vol II pg. 593
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c) Unnatural Consumated acts.-Pollution is mortally sinful (#2535 sqq) and is worse in married than in single persons, as being an injury to the faith pledged in marriage; and hence it is not lawful to practice it even for the purpose of artificial fecundation. Rectal copulation is also gravely sinful, being unnatural lust (see 2534) and a violation of conjugal faith. The usual forms of unnatural vaginal coition, which are very much practiced today, are contraceptive in purpose,.....
Then #2534 states the following:
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Unnatural lust.-Worst among the sins of impurity, as such, are crimes of unnatural lust, for they exercise the sexual act, not only illicitly, but also in a manner that defeats its purpose of reproduction. In some non-veneral respects, however, natural sins of purity may be worse than the unnatural; for example, adultery is worse as regards injustice, sacrilegious lust as regards religion, etc. There are four distinct species of unnatural impurities-pollution, unnatural coition, sodomy, bestiality (see Denzinger 1124).
a) For procreation nature requires copulation, and hence pollution is unnatural, for it exercises semination without copulation, either alone (self abuse, solitary vice, masturbation) or with another (softness).
b) For procreation nature requires proper copulation, that is, one that will permit of a fertile union between the two life elements, the sperma and the ovum. Hence, unnatural coition does not comply with this necessity, for it does not employ the proper organ of sexual union, substituting rectal for vaginal intercourse, or else by some form of natural or artificial onanism it frustrates the act of its destined conclusion. This sin is worse than pollution, since pollution omits to use intercourse, whereas unnatural coition positively abuses it.
c)For procreation nature requires heterosexual intercourse, a condition disregarded by sodomy, which is the lustful commerce of male with male (pederastry, uranism), or femal with female (tribadism, sapphism, Lesbian love). This sin is worse than unnatural coition, for it is a greater perversity to neglect one of the two needed life elements than to neglect the right process for their union.(see Gen., XIX. 24, 25; Lev., xx. 13; Rom., i. 26,27)
Denzinger 1124 (cited above) in a list of lax moral propositions condemned is the following:
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124  24. Voluptuousness, sodomy, and bestiality are sins of the same ultimate species, and so it is enough to say in confession that one has procured a pollution.
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Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2022, 02:33:28 PM »

No,
You might be right, but I have heard differently from others, for example from a Catholic Jesuit priest who was a professor of Catholic theology at a Catholic university which operates with the approval and support of the local Catholic bishop.
 

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Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2022, 10:19:15 AM »

No,
You might be right, but I have heard differently from others, for example from a Catholic Jesuit priest who was a professor of Catholic theology at a Catholic university which operates with the approval and support of the local Catholic bishop.
Correct; but individual Catholic bishops are not protected from falling into error. Further, there has been a great lack of vigilance by Catholic bishops since Vatican II, in the safeguarding of the soundness of the formation of priests in the seminaries and the teaching of Catholic doctrine in their diocese.
The example that you brought up on another thread of Fr. Hans Kung, who has been teaching and publishing heresies since the Council is only one of many.
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Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2022, 12:15:55 PM »

They could start by not ordaining actively gay deacons, for instance.
Right. But IMHO this should also apply to candidates for the priesthood and bishoprics? With this out in the open, it is truly incredible that he would be ordained, except that historians claim that there have been homosexually active Popes. For example, Paul II, Sixtus  IV, Leo X, Julius III.
Even if the above were in fact true, this would not change either the teaching of the Church which condemns such acts, or the necessity of rigorously screening candidates to the priestly and religious life, to exclude any that were not ready and willing to live virtuous lives and strive for sanctity. 
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