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Re: Trolley Problem
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2022, 02:44:52 AM »
What is a Catholic response to the trolley problem, where you are on a trolley and you have to option to sacrifice one for the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
What option was not be sinful?

It's a false dichotomy IMO.

Life circumstances don't work like this and if anything it would be more like the difference between euthanasia and the removal of certain drugs leading to death, the end result is the same but the intent makes it a mortal sin or not.

In the same way, you'd try to stop the trolley and save lives, but to give up on that so to speak and directly choose to deliberately kill one person for the "greater good" makes it evil because your intent was to kill.

As the next stage of the trolley experiment goes, what if there are two... or three... or maybe just 1 less then on the other track, what if the lone person is a close loved one, what if they have a cure for cancer? etc which is where the "greater good" evil always leads to which in the end justifies to the person all manner of evils and never leads to anything good.

God Bless.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2022, 03:28:55 AM by josh987654321 »
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"I will not delude you with prospects of peace and consolations; on the contrary, prepare for great battles. Know that you are now on a great stage where all heaven and earth are watching you. Fight like a knight, so that I can reward you. Do not be unduly fearful, because you are not alone." (Diary, 1760)

"It is in My Passion that you must seek light and strength." (Diary, 654)

"I never reject a contrite heart." (Diary, 1485)
 

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Re: Trolley Problem
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2022, 08:18:21 AM »
Kill all 6.  Blame the Russians or Climate Change.

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One is my dove, my perfect one is but one, she is the only one of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her. The daughters saw her, and declared her most blessed: the queens and concubines, and they praised her. Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array?
The Canticle of Canticles, 6:8-9
 
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Re: Shame On You
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2022, 08:20:47 AM »
    Bizarre glorification[/b] of violence...I think[/li]
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    To be fair to Greg, I'm pretty sure he just has a dark, british sense of humor. I don't think there was any real intent to glorify violence.
    One is my dove, my perfect one is but one, she is the only one of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her. The daughters saw her, and declared her most blessed: the queens and concubines, and they praised her. Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array?
    The Canticle of Canticles, 6:8-9
     
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    Re: Shame On You
    « Reply #34 on: April 21, 2022, 01:27:21 PM »
    To be fair to Greg, I'm pretty sure he just has a dark, british sense of humor. I don't think there was any real intent to glorify violence.

    I'm aware that the response was likely scurillity rather than anything more serious, but this thread was created by a young girl in difficult circumstances about the Catholic moral teaching regarding this famous hypothetical problem. I do not know why exactly it was asked, but I do know that proper formation of moral understanding is essential, and there are many errors in the world that surround us, even me.

    This was a simple question about moral theology from someone who is young, may have a hostile family, and may be asking for a specific reason: what is the Catholic response? Scurrilous, wrong, and misleading replies are highly inappropriate.

    Alleged adults should be better. There are a time and place for these things: this is the time and place for serious correct replies. The feelings of adult men do not matter. "Only joking" is not an excuse.

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    Re: Trolley Problem
    « Reply #35 on: April 30, 2022, 06:26:39 PM »
    Being quarrelsome is a sin
    Ha Ha. You bring up self defense and then you quibble and quarrel about the fact that I commented on a post of yours.
     

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    Re: Trolley Problem
    « Reply #36 on: April 30, 2022, 06:28:38 PM »

    In the same way, you'd try to stop the trolley and save lives, but to give up on that so to speak and directly choose to deliberately kill one person for the "greater good" makes it evil because your intent was to kill.

    As the next stage of the trolley experiment goes, what if there are two... or three... or maybe just 1 less then on the other track, what if the lone person is a close loved one, what if they have a cure for cancer? etc which is where the "greater good" evil always leads to which in the end justifies to the person all manner of evils and never leads to anything good.

    God Bless.
    You can not be sure that your choice is for the greater good.
     
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    Re: Trolley Problem
    « Reply #37 on: May 01, 2022, 06:38:05 AM »
    You can not be sure that your choice is for the greater good.

    Exactly, it becomes increasingly discretionary and at the end of the day, the intent made it evil. It's one thing if a whole bunch of people died but you tried to save them or tried to save as many as you could, one can live with that, but if just one innocent person dies that you decided to intentionally kill for the 'greater good', it's something nobody could live with because it was a conscious choice and through fallible wisdom.

    God Bless
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    "It is in My Passion that you must seek light and strength." (Diary, 654)

    "I never reject a contrite heart." (Diary, 1485)
     

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    Re: Trolley Problem
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    Re: Trolley Problem
    « Reply #39 on: May 27, 2022, 01:13:54 PM »
    Father time has an undefeated record.

    But when he's dumb and no more here,
    Nineteen hundred years or near,
    Clau-Clau-Claudius shall speak clear.
    (https://completeandunabridged.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-claudius.html)
     
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