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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2022, 12:56:19 PM »

This is one way of seeing it, but, forgive me for saying this, it seems very naive. You will not be able to convince the average Californian or Millenial that abortion is wrong because they want to have sexual relations without consequences and they aren't capable of discussing the things of morality they want rationally. Neither for that matter will the average democrat state judge be convinced, and be sure judicial elections (where they exist) will be fought and win on a judges views as regards abortion. Federal judges would be less important, but they could potentially get involved in the right circumstances. You could also well see Congress pass an abortion law and that would be an even bigger problem.

No offense taken. The people you mention don't need to be convinced of anything, they need to be compelled to think and act in certain ways, none of which involves persuasion. For example, a good propagandist isn't concerned with getting his target to agree with him, the goal is to bring impulses and behaviors to surface which can then be exploited.
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Court has voted to overturn Roe, according to draft opinion
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2022, 12:58:26 PM »
Court has voted to overturn Roe, according to draft opinion:

leaked SCOTUS initial Dobbs v. Jackson opinion, Justice Alito circulated (10 Feb. 2022):

Alito's intro. (pp. 1-6) gives a good overview of Roe v. Wade, its arbitrary trimester scheme, and flaky justification.
p. 2:
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[Roe's] survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant (e.g., its discussion of abortion in antiquity) to the plainly incorrect (e.g., its assertion that abortion was probably never a crime under the common law).
cf. Hilger's The Fake and Deceptive Science Behind Roe v. Wade: Settled Law v. Settled Science
Planned Parenthood v. Casey's scrapping Roe's trimester scheme (p. 4):
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Casey threw out Roe’s trimester scheme and substituted a new rule of uncertain origin under which States were forbidden to adopt any regulation that imposed an “undue burden” on a woman's right to have an abortion.
pp. 68-91: Appendix A:
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This appendix contains statutes criminalizing abortion at all stages of pregnancy in the States existing in 1868. The statutes appear in chronological order.
pp. 92-98: Appendix B:
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This appendix contains statutes criminalizing abortion at all stages in each of the territories that became States and in the District of Columbia. The statutes appear in chronological order of enactment.

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2022, 01:37:36 PM »

This is one way of seeing it, but, forgive me for saying this, it seems very naive. You will not be able to convince the average Californian or Millenial that abortion is wrong because they want to have sexual relations without consequences and they aren't capable of discussing the things of morality they want rationally. Neither for that matter will the average democrat state judge be convinced, and be sure judicial elections (where they exist) will be fought and win on a judges views as regards abortion. Federal judges would be less important, but they could potentially get involved in the right circumstances. You could also well see Congress pass an abortion law and that would be an even bigger problem.

No offense taken. The people you mention don't need to be convinced of anything, they need to be compelled to think and act in certain ways, none of which involves persuasion. For example, a good propagandist isn't concerned with getting his target to agree with him, the goal is to bring impulses and behaviors to surface which can then be exploited.

Fair enough, but again, unlikely to work due to all the opposing forces involved. I suppose prayers and sacrifice might work.
 

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2022, 01:49:56 PM »
As far as abortion law is concerned, this just a law. It facilitates the crime but still, the real sin starts in people heads.

I personally rather pray for the Church so it is clean enough to be able to show everybody a way out from the hell, it is the Faith. Rather than "just stop abortion".

By the way, another interpretation of this "leak": a next stepping stone toward a secession in USA?
 

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2022, 02:49:31 PM »
a next stepping stone toward a secession in USA?
How would that secession look?


source: LifeNews.com "26 States Will Ban All or Most Abortions if Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade"
 
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2022, 02:52:50 PM »

Fair enough, but again, unlikely to work due to all the opposing forces involved. I suppose prayers and sacrifice might work.

It has already been working. Why try to convince a bunch of Feminists and Lefties when you can get them to wear vagina hats on their heads??
You seem to think I'm just sharing my opinion here. Not the case. The Pro-life movement is easily one of the most sophisticated movements in existence and has been successfully waging a 50 year guerilla war against the mighty abortion/eugenics lobby and has hit that lobby with a panoply of cutting edge tactics --even inverting the Leninist method and using it for good.

When many Catholics have been doing nothing but griping and boasting, re: abortion, about what they would do (yea right lol), the Pro-lifers have been studying and applying Alinksy, Lenin, and the Art of War.

Prayer sacrifice only work if you're willing to cooperate with God, and do the work with Him, He's not gonna work miracles for people who sit idle on their hands.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2022, 03:15:03 PM »
From: https://onepeterfive.com/evil-abortion/

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The Didache solemnly states, as Priests for Life, led by Fr. Frank Pavone, notes:

The Lord’s Teaching to the Heathen by the Twelve Apostles … The second commandment of the Teaching: “Do not murder; do not commit adultery”; do not corrupt boys; do not fornicate; “do not steal”; do not practice magic; do not go in for sorcery; do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant.” For “this is the way of life” while “[t]here are two ways, one of life and one of death; and between the two ways there is a great difference,” and the way of death leads to a culture of death and to perdition if unrepented.

It is neglect of the sovereign divine commandment “Thou shalt not kill” (Ex. 20:13), enshrined in the Law given to Moses, and still earlier in the precepts of natural law confirmed to Noah: “Whosoever shall shed man’s blood, his blood shall be shed: for man was made to the image of God” (Gen. 9:6), that has led to the greatest and most tragic genocidal holocaust of our time, of nearly 2 billion children cruelly killed worldwide. This worst and greatest of all ongoing holocausts so terribly pierces — as with 2 billion swords — the hearts of Jesus and Mary, and which Catholic crusaders against evil must fight with all our strength. All people of goodwill who uphold natural law are called to stand with us ...

The world needs millions more good people of conscience everywhere determined to put an end to the criminal killing of children at home and abroad everywhere. We must never stop this spiritual crusade until every last pre-born child is protected."

Rosary of the Unborn Video:

"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2022, 03:19:15 PM »
a next stepping stone toward a secession in USA?
How would that secession look?


source: LifeNews.com "26 States Will Ban All or Most Abortions if Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade"

The flyover country bans abortion.

The two coasts keep abortion. Perfect setup for two tsunamis.
 
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2022, 03:41:01 PM »
In 1571, The Holy League wasn't out trying to convince the Ottomans not to attack them.

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2022, 04:31:29 PM »
1p5's take: https://onepeterfive.com/ Novena Link: https://catholicnovenaapp.com/novenas/our-lady-of-fatima-novena/#

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News out of the United States has sent fear into the hearts of Marxists across the globe.

According to the first report from Politico, a draft majority opinion from the US Supreme Court overturns that nefarious decree of child murder, Roe v. Wade, from 1973. The opinion states “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”

Washington DC has erupted already last night with the news:

Meanwhile, men of God pray the Rosary against the errors of Russia:

The Liberal Disorder

We note that the language of the opinion continues the hubris of the Liberal disorder in that it seeks to put truth to a majority vote. It is the lie that a political system alone – the so-called democratic order, in this case – is that which makes an action, a law, or a decree just. In other words, if the majority wills it, there is justice.

This lie is summed up in another child murder case in these United States, the secondly infamous, Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992) in which Chief Justice Kennedy said:

At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.

Thus we know that when Roe falls – and it will fall, or the United States will feel the wrath of God – it is only the beginning. The restoration of the Catholic City must first revoke the triumph of the will as the principle of political and social order, and restore public rights to Christ the King. Nothing less can save us.

Effects of the Consecration of Russia?

Yet as OnePeterFive contributing editor Kennedy Hall noted in his comments, this news comes on the heels of the Consecration of Russia by Pope Francis.

We are willing to publish contrary opinions on this issue, but the coincidence cannot be ignored. Perhaps this is indeed the effect of the Consecration. This news is a cause of rejoicing, and we should be thankful for this consolation in the midst of darkness.

It is time to work and pray. Pray and work.

On the other hand, according to Eric Sammons, the leak itself may be an attempt to undermine this whole decision, if the news is in fact accurate.

Without a doubt, the Marxists will do everything in their power to maintain the sacrifice of little children to their gods of power and wealth.

Therefore, let us, with confidence, turn to Our Lady, the Crusher of Serpents.

JOIN the Novena
In this month of Mary, it could be that God will finally crush this serpent of child murder in the United States, which would send a shockwave across the Liberal disorder. In March we heard the news about the Consecration of Russia just in time to begin a Novena for its success. Now we hear news against the errors of Russia just in time to begin the Novena to Our Lady of Fatima.

Therefore we call all Catholics to join in this Novena for the overturning of Roe v. Wade, starting tomorrow. Let us turn with confidence to Our Lady, together, and join the fight for the sake of souls.

T. S. Flanders
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May 3



Most Holy Virgin, who deigned to come to Fatima to reveal to the three little shepherds the treasures of graces hidden in the recitation of the Rosary, inspire our hearts with a sincere love of this devotion, so that by meditating on the mysteries of our redemption that are recalled in it, we may gather the fruits and obtain the conversion of sinners, the conversion of Russia and this favor which I so earnestly seek,

the overturning of Roe v. Wade in the United States

which I ask of thee in this novena, for the greater Glory of God, for thine own honor and for the good of all people.

Amen.

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Glory Be
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"He [His Grace Archbishop Lefebvre]exhorted them:

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Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."

Taken from: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass
 
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2022, 05:58:18 PM »
This whole situation looks so amazing right now, and it's only getting better. I'm almost giddy.

Undermining the Supreme Court?? These dirty tricks will further alienate the Abortionists from the public.
Let them scream and rage over the "reproductive rights" of "birthing bodies".
The same people who advocate for the overt sexualization of children, racially indoctrinating children, and child genital mutilation, are the same ones who are going to rage the hardest against the possibility of RvW getting overturned, and the this all will become synonymous in the public's eye.
Let them come at us.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2022, 06:16:16 PM »
This is one opinion. Justice Sam Alito might pull back on his draft. Supposedly the FBI are going to investigate, which is funny. Havard Professor Vermeule suggested this is more about barracking legislator into enshrined Roe V Wade and Casey into law, although the numbers are doubtful. I notice how the demonstrators appeared on cue with printed signs that looked hand drawn. It glows green. The saying about not counting chickens till they are hatched is wise.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2022, 06:59:30 PM »
This is one opinion. Justice Sam Alito might pull back on his draft. Supposedly the FBI are going to investigate, which is funny. A Havard Professor Vermeule suggested this is more about barracking legislator into enshrined Roe V Wade and Casey into law, although the numbers are doubtful. I notice how the demonstrators appeared on cue with printed signs that looked hand drawn. It glows green. The saying about not counting chickens till they are hatched is wise.

The egg has already been hatched. There's nothing anybody can do at this point. There's no way the overturning Justices can backtrack without SCOTUS as a whole losing face. Furthermore, all hostility directed toward the Justices that are set to overturn will appear to be partisan coercion against The Court. We've got the aborts by the balls. Even if an overturning Justice does backtrack, the outrage will immense, and it will not come just from Pro-lifers. By the Abortionists overtly synonymizing themselves to the public with all of the other perversions I mentioned above, and then forcing themselves on SCOTUS, they will face drastic consequences, as the common American will be greatly offended by this.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2022, 07:14:59 PM »
Thank you James03, Miriam_M and dellery

PS - Too bad federal ban isn't in question...
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