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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2022, 02:13:57 AM »
Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but even if this is completely true and Roe is overturned, that does NOT mean abortion is outlawed.  It just means the question of abortion is left to the states.  No doubt many more conservative states will either outlaw or otherwise heavily restrict abortion, but the northeast and western states will no doubt keep it completely legal, as it is now, or perhaps even expand it.

Overturning Roe is just the first battle. It isn't the war. Never has been.

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2022, 02:47:54 AM »
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2022, 05:40:22 AM »
Double down on your praying that it's overturned.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2022, 06:54:01 AM »
Abortion supposedly completely overturned. Decision leaked.

I'll save my reaction for when it's done. They won't go quietly. We should pray for the Justices that they don't get cold feet and waver on doing the right thing despite the pressure and even after the verdict, if it does get overturned, the battle will only just begin, but it should be very revealing.

I'll be keen to see how Biden, other Bishops/Priests/laity and Bergoglio weigh in on it, as it should be very revealing IMO. Lets see which wolves in sheep's clothing stick their heads up and try to subvert this.

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2022, 07:06:56 AM »
Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but even if this is completely true and Roe is overturned, that does NOT mean abortion is outlawed.  It just means the question of abortion is left to the states.  No doubt many more conservative states will either outlaw or otherwise heavily restrict abortion, but the northeast and western states will no doubt keep it completely legal, as it is now, or perhaps even expand it.

True, but without overturning Roe v Wade the battle cannot even begin, so Roe v Wade is the first step, your right it's going to be rough, and nowhere near over, but it's crucial to even start.

It will also be very revealing as IMO we will see many wolves in sheep's clothing weigh in and show their true colours.

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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2022, 07:29:09 AM »
Someone help this foreign, please.

Even if RvW is overturned, states will still be able to make laws in favor of murder of the innocent unborn (aka abortion), won't they?
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2022, 09:02:34 AM »
Not to burst anyone’s bubble, but even if this is completely true and Roe is overturned, that does NOT mean abortion is outlawed.  It just means the question of abortion is left to the states.  No doubt many more conservative states will either outlaw or otherwise heavily restrict abortion, but the northeast and western states will no doubt keep it completely legal, as it is now, or perhaps even expand it.

Those states that do not outlaw abortion will there be a back and forth going on depending on how the  political spectrum swings for the day? In Vermont, the idea has been bandied (if overturning  R v W goes through) of making abortion , with voter consent,  guaranteed law into the constitution.  Evil.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2022, 09:06:52 AM »
Someone help this foreign, please.

Even if RvW is overturned, states will still be able to make laws in favor of murder of the innocent unborn (aka abortion), won't they?

It works the other way round in a way.  States will be able to allow the murder of babies.  In the US, "murder" is technically legal at the Federal level.  Murder is regulated by the States.  So if I shoot someone, I won't be investigated by the Feds or tried in Federal courts (there's exceptions for crossing State lines, but I'm talking the general principle).  The immediate impact (it will take a few months) of overturning RvW, is that about half the States will outlaw abortion, or simply start enforcing laws already on the books against abortion.  The Blue States (where most Catholics reside) will decriminalize it.  Those States are lost, and it will take the Church going back to basics and converting their local populations until abortion is outlawed.

If the leak becomes reality, this will be a huge win.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2022, 09:50:57 AM »
Someone help this foreign, please.

Even if RvW is overturned, states will still be able to make laws in favor of murder of the innocent unborn (aka abortion), won't they?

Yes.  And ugly California already moved, within hours of the leak, to solidify the "right."  So there will be deeper blue states than ever before, if that was possible -- you know, true Navy blue, which is quite close to black -- in this case, fittingly.
 
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2022, 10:30:30 AM »
Someone help this foreign, please.

Even if RvW is overturned, states will still be able to make laws in favor of murder of the innocent unborn (aka abortion), won't they?

Yes. This has always been a danger with getting the legality of abortion knocked down to the level of individual States, and the Pro-life movement has already prepared for this. The fight is going to be brought directly to the Blue States. Whereas before we had to broaden our efforts to effect the nation as a whole, now we will be able to concentrate our forces directly against the abortionist strong-holds. We've effectively boxed the abortionists in and are surrounding them. The fight will not stop until the genocide against the Unborn is halted in its entirety.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2022, 10:51:11 AM »
Non-American working for Sotomoyer identified as the leaker.  He has to go back.



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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2022, 11:58:56 AM »
Non-American working for Sotomoyer identified as the leaker.  He has to go back.




I couldn’t work out if he’s now a naturalized American. If he is can he be sent back? You can lose US citizenship for “Committing an act of treason against the United States”. This was certainly an attack against the judiciary. In any event his actions are criminal and he should spend time behind bars.
 
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2022, 12:30:00 PM »
He's not of the American nation whatever his citizenship.
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2022, 12:42:17 PM »
Non-American working for Sotomoyer identified as the leaker.  He has to go back.




Eh, lets not leap to rash judgment. Roberts only just started an investigation so doubt they found the culprit that quickly, what would be really awkward is if it was actually one of the justices...

As for the decision, it's obviously correct both morally and from a constitutional law pov (Roe was a total shambles and caused so many issues for pretty much every area of law as it was so policy based). I might even forgive SCOTUS for their garbage gay marriage and trans decisions, however I'd be surprised if it's as anti-abortion as people say it is. There is likely some wiggle room. Moreover, people in the pro-life are a little myopic about Roe. All that happens if Roe is overturned is it goes back to the states and many will implement very liberal abortion regimes, there is also every possibility of Congress passing an even more extreme abortion 'law' in the future. It would be difficult for the SCOTUS to strike down any such law, and thus, if Roe is overturned it is really just one stage in a very long process. I am also concerned about what it will mean for the elections, will democrats get more votes due to crazy and angry libs who don't want babies? It may also revive Biden's plan to pack the court, which would be a disaster. I can therefore see prudence arguments against it, although I think it is the right thing to do.
 
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Re: Abortion complete victory for us
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2022, 12:46:46 PM »
Someone help this foreign, please.

Even if RvW is overturned, states will still be able to make laws in favor of murder of the innocent unborn (aka abortion), won't they?

Yes. This has always been a danger with getting the legality of abortion knocked down to the level of individual States, and the Pro-life movement has already prepared for this. The fight is going to be brought directly to the Blue States. Whereas before we had to broaden our efforts to effect the nation as a whole, now we will be able to concentrate our forces directly against the abortionist strong-holds. We've effectively boxed the abortionists in and are surrounding them. The fight will not stop until the genocide against the Unborn is halted in its entirety.

This is one way of seeing it, but, forgive me for saying this, it seems very naive. You will not be able to convince the average Californian or Millenial that abortion is wrong because they want to have sexual relations without consequences and they aren't capable of discussing the things of morality they want rationally. Neither for that matter will the average democrat state judge be convinced, and be sure judicial elections (where they exist) will be fought and win on a judges views as regards abortion. Federal judges would be less important, but they could potentially get involved in the right circumstances. You could also well see Congress pass an abortion law and that would be an even bigger problem.
 
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