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Looks like the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is a fraud.
 
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? I don't understand why there is so much emphasis on homosexuality these days. According to a sermon i heard we are supposed to show love and charity toward homosexuals just as Jesus showed his love for the outcasts. Why the push to teach children in grade schools about this instead of math, science, religion, and history?
 
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One Youtuber, this one I think, calls those lost to that sin of sodom and gomorrah James Martin people. I do not wish to uncharitable, but Jimmy Martin SJ looks like a homo.
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"One thousand Catholics from 37 countries."  :lol:  Wow. How desperate are they?

New Ways Ministry has tried to take over the church since the last century. They never succeeded, not even with sympathetic popes. That is because there's more resisters to their ideas than they have supporters.  They will never be able to marginalize and/or get excommunicated all faithful Catholic priests and lay Catholic parishioners that don't follow their ethos. That $10M they claim they get in donations is principally from Big Tech matching, George Soros-types and non-Catholic enemies of the church.

PF can hardly stand to lose loyal priests and parishioners who raise money, preach and assist the poor in their local neighborhoods, like SJC, to a band of rebels like New Ways Ministry.

The "Vatican official" who met with them is probably a low level operative. New Ways Ministry remains as an unapproved, non-Catholic group to this day. Despite what this source claims.
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New Ways Ministry has tried to take over the church since the last century. They never succeeded, not even with sympathetic popes. That is because there's more resisters to their ideas than they have supporters.  They will never be able to marginalize and/or get excommunicated all faithful Catholic priests and lay Catholic parishioners that don't follow their ethos. That $10M they claim they get in donations is principally from Big Tech matching, George Soros-types and non-Catholic enemies of the church.

:lol:  The bishops are in-line with groups like these.  And, who cares where they get the money from?  Money talks, and trads have little of it. 

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PF can hardly stand to lose loyal priests and parishes who raise money, preach and assist the poor in their local neighborhoods, like SJC.

Like that's stopped the New Religion since 1962?  Besides, the battered wives who attend places like SJC won't give up Mass attendance, so why would the Pope care?
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Bishops are all in line with this? Didn't you listen and hear the condemnation of the group in 2010 by USCCB?

What do you mean, "battered wives" go to SJC? This is pure rubbish.

It matters a great deal where NWM gets money. It's not from Catholics, it's from outsiders and enemies of the church. That means something to the faithful.

If PF did not truly care about the indult parishes, he would have excommunicated all of those priests by now.

You have a spiritual problem and are in need of a priest. Keep up your tirade against parish masses, and you will lose the faith entirely. It may have already happened.
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You have a spiritual problem and are in need of a priest. Keep up your tirade against parish masses, and you will lose the faith entirely. It may have already happened.

:lol:

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Unfortunately, Francis did approve of New Ways late last year, even writing a letter to Jeanine Gramik,.telling her how sorry he is for all of the persecution she and her group have faced over the years. And this "apostolate" also promotes abortion.

https://novusordowatch.org/2021/12/francis-endorses-new-ways-ministry/
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Unfortunately, Francis did approve of New Ways late last year, even writing a letter to Jeanine Gramik,.telling her how sorry he is for all of the persecution she and her group have faced over the years. And this "apostolate" also promotes abortion.

https://novusordowatch.org/2021/12/francis-endorses-new-ways-ministry/
Is novusordowatch a Catholic site?
 

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Unfortunately, Francis did approve of New Ways late last year, even writing a letter to Jeanine Gramik,.telling her how sorry he is for all of the persecution she and her group have faced over the years. And this "apostolate" also promotes abortion.

https://novusordowatch.org/2021/12/francis-endorses-new-ways-ministry/
Is novusordowatch a Catholic site?

It is a sedevacantist site, of the Cekadist variety.
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It doesn't matter, what they wrote is true. Google it.
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It doesn't matter, what they wrote is true. Google it.

Truth may be truth no matter who it comes from, but I have found NOW often times quoting things out of context or slanting information. The site pretty much exists as a propaganda vehicle to spread sedevacantism and scandal about the "post-conciliar Church". They're the sede equivalent of CNN, Infowars, or The Sun. Bishop Sanborn's writings or What Catholics Believe hosted by Fr. Jenkins tend to be more objective as far as sedevacantist (using the term broadly) media goes.

That said, MHFM is definitely the worst of the bunch.
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Pope Francis thanks New Ways Ministry in recent correspondence
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The Vatican in 1999 barred Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent from ministry involving homosexual people. The two had been involved in gay ministry in the United States for more than 30 years. (CNS/Nancy Wiechec)
The Vatican in 1999 barred Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent from ministry involving homosexual people. The two had been involved in gay ministry in the United States for more than 30 years. (CNS/Nancy Wiechec)
In two letters to New Ways Ministry this year, Pope Francis commended the organization for its outreach to the LGBTQ community and referred to one of its co-founders, Loretto Sr. Jeannine Gramick, as "a valiant woman" who had suffered much for her ministry.

Written in Spanish on official Vatican stationery, Francis' letters mention that the pope is aware that New Ways Ministry's "history has not been an easy one," but that loving one's neighbor is still the second commandment, tied "necessarily" to the first commandment to love God.

"Thank you for your neighborly work," Francis wrote in a June 17 letter addressed to Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, which is based in Mount. Rainier, Maryland.

"Despite what some church leaders might say or think of us, it appears that Pope Francis is happy that we're reaching out and helping to bring LGBTQ people into the church, and helping those who are here to stay," DeBernardo told NCR.

DeBernardo said he decided to publicly disclose the correspondence between New Ways Ministry and the pope in response to the Vatican's General Secretariat for the Synod of Bishops removing a New Ways Ministry webinar video from a resources website for the 2021-2023 synod on synodality.

Reports in conservative Catholic media outlets indicated that the secretariat removed the video on Dec. 7 after learning that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops had censured New Ways Ministry in 2010 for its support of civil marriage for same-sex couples. A spokesman for the secretariat has not returned requests for comment from NCR.

"We weren't planning on making the correspondence public," DeBernardo said, "but given this situation, it's important for people to know. We do believe [Francis] wants LGBTQ people speaking, and we think it'd be helpful for him and helpful for his message and his invitation of inclusion, that people know that he has been corresponding with us."

Francis' correspondence with New Ways Ministry – an organization that has often drawn the ire of church authorities who doubt the group's adherence to Catholic doctrine on homosexuality - is one more example of Francis striking a more conciliatory posture than his more conservative predecessors and the U.S. Catholic bishops.

"The Holy Father's warm letter to New Ways Ministry is not only another step in his outreach to LGBTQ people, but the beginning of a kind of rehabilitation for New Ways, and for [New Ways cofounder] Sister Jeannine [Gramick] as well, in recognition of their important ministry in our church," said Jesuit Fr. James Martin, editor-at-large of America Media who called for the Catholic Church to be more welcoming to LGBTQ people in his book, Building a Bridge.

On May 3, Francis wrote in response to a letter that DeBernardo had sent him on April 21 that he read DeBernardo's letter from an "attitude of shepherd closeness," and that the letter helped him to better understand New Ways Ministry's history.

"It helped me a lot to know the full story you tell me," Francis wrote. "Sometimes we receive partial information about people and organizations, and this doesn't help. Your letter, as it narrates with objectivity its history, gives me light to better understand certain situations."

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In his second letter, which was handwritten and dated June 17, Francis thanked DeBernardo for his "heart, open to your neighbor." He also sent Sr. Jeannine Gramick his cordial regards.

"I know how much she has suffered," the pope wrote. "She is a valiant woman who makes her decisions in prayer."

In May 1999, the Vatican's Congregation of the Doctrine for the Faith declared that Gramick and fellow New Ways Ministry co-founder Fr. Robert Nugent were to be prohibited from pastoral work with homosexual people because of the "ambiguities and errors" of their approach. The notification was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the congregation's prefect who later became Pope Benedict XVI.

Since its founding in 1977, New Ways has run afoul of church authorities. In 1984, Archbishop James Hickey of Washington denied the organization any official authorization or approval of its activities. The late Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, then the president of the U.S. bishops' conference, issued a statement in 2010 declaring that New Ways Ministry had no approval or recognition from the Catholic Church.

Some church officials in recent years have spoken at New Ways Ministry's events, including Bishop John Stowe of Lexington, Kentucky. But the organization's strained history with the Catholic hierarchy reportedly caused its webinar video to be scrubbed from the synod secretariat's resources website.

The 75-minute video, entitled "From the Margins to the Center: LGBTQ Catholics & Synodality," features a webinar presentation by Fordham theologian Robert Choiniere, who is also the director of adult formation at St. Francis Xavier Church in Manhattan.

Martin, a consultor for the Vatican's Secretariat for Communications, told NCR that he was disappointed to see New Ways Ministry's video removed from the synod resources website "after some people complained."

"At the beginning of the synod, the Holy Father asked, 'Do we allow people to express themselves, to walk in faith even though they have had difficulties in life, and to be part of the life of the community without being hindered, rejected or judged?' " said Martin. "For LGBTQ Catholics, that is still an open question."

On Dec. 6, Martin tweeted a link to the New Ways Ministry video, which was then still on a website that the General Secretariat for the Synod of Bishops created to share resources for the synod on synodality. Martin hailed it as a "small but historic step forward" in the church's relationship with LGBTQ people."
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