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Title: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: mikemac on May 20, 2022, 06:28:11 PM
I received this in an email today.

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Catholic Action’s past support for Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, Archbishop of San Francisco, has not been misplaced. He, along with Cardinal Burke, have served as Episcopal Advisors of Catholic Action since before its inception. Today, His Excellency issued a public statement (5/20/22) addressing and clarifying the situation surrounding House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s ongoing and scandalous support of the intrinsic evil of abortion.

As Nancy Pelosi’s archbishop, Archbishop Cordileone is ultimately responsible for her spiritual well-being and has come to a point where deliberation must stop and where a decision just must be made. His Excellency has taken the remarkable step of putting her on public notice that she is forbidden to receive Holy Communion “unless and until she publicly repudiate her support for abortion ‘rights’” adding that she must also confess her sin and “receive absolution for her cooperation in this evil” in order to be reconciled with the Body of Christ and return to Communion with the Church. As His Excellency’s long-time friend, I can tell you that this decision didn’t come easily and is only after years of dialogue with her personally trying to convince her to change her wayward ways.

Join Archbishop Cordileone's Prayer Campaign

Following a prolonged period of deafening episcopal silence in the face of the scandalous positions of so-called Catholic politicians, one courageous prelate has had the integrity to stand in the public forum and speak the truth. We thank him from the bottom of our hearts!

Nancy Pelosi claims to be Catholic. Archbishop Cordileone actually is Catholic.

His Excellency appropriately invoked the Church’s universal teaching (specifically, canon 915 of the Code of Canon Law) as the basis of his decision lest anyone accuse him of acting on his own personal whims in this matter. The task of disciplining public heresy and scandal is a matter of clear and long-standing Church law to help lead the faithful to God.

Most significantly, Archbishop Cordileone expressed how personally difficult a step it is for him to exercise Church discipline in this fashion, as he has always wished to exercise the ministry of mercy toward wayward Catholics like Pelosi. But in the face of her scandalous “obstinate denial” of the basic doctrines of the Catholic Faith, His Excellency believes his episcopal office requires such an action, as sad as it may be.

For our part, we stand behind His Excellency one hundred percent and pledge our full support for his courageous action. In the present climate of rabid abortion activism, we are certainly aware that he will be even more fiercely attacked than he has been in the past.

Those who wish to support His Excellency’s prayer for the conversion of Nancy Pelosi with fasting and prayer are invited to access an excellent prayer campaign at the Benedict XVI Institute’s website.

Your Excellency, Archbishop Cordileone, we and all our Catholic Action allies are fully behind you!

Your friend in Christ,

Thomas J McKenna

You can sign the petition in support of Archbishop Cordileone here.  I didn't because it asks for your phone number.  But this caught my eye.

"This time we bring out the heavy artillery: we will send a Rosary, a Miraculous Medal and a green Scapular (conversion miracles) to Speaker Pelosi for every 60 people (one for each rosary bead plus the Crucifix) who commits or recommit to praying and fasting for her conversion."

https://benedictinstitute.org/rose-and-a-rosary/?mc_cid=66ffe13610&mc_eid=b59036d2e1
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Prayerful on May 20, 2022, 07:30:48 PM
This is a good thing, but if Francis was in better health, he'd consider a summary dismissal (although a LatAm bp was sacked suddenly and recently for COVID wrongthink and excessive Catholicism) and probably find someone as effete and weak like Gomez of LA.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on May 20, 2022, 07:45:26 PM
I notice that we have different take regarding the current events, but when it comes to how to express Catholicism, almost everyone is in one direction in this forum and this is a good thing. God bless everyone in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirt. Amen.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Antoninus on May 20, 2022, 10:55:06 PM
This is great news. However, Cardinal Gregory of DC, where Pelosi is a large part of the year, will most likely not ban her from Holy Communion in the Archdiocese of Washington DC.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Non Nobis on May 21, 2022, 12:42:28 AM
I was pleased to hear this reported even on the secular news on the radio here: on a station that plays mostly conservative talk radio.

I wish (Arch)bishop Cordileone would have stayed in my town but Pope Benedict XVI had a better idea:

https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2022/05/20/ex-san-diego-auxiliary-bishop-forbids-pelosi-from-taking-communion-at-mass/
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Frank on May 21, 2022, 12:07:43 PM
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Miriam_M on May 21, 2022, 01:28:33 PM
I'll find it later, but +Cordileone's statements were even more comprehensive than the summary in the email of the OP.  For example, he acknowledged the difficult decisions politicians have to consider (the moral impacts of those, and how complex some legislation can be), but noted the difference between more subtle or ambiguous issues and the evil of abortion.  In that regard, the point he made about Pelosi was how "aggressively" she supported this evil, how public and unrelenting her support.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Frank on May 21, 2022, 01:31:58 PM
The following link includes a transcript.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/05/20/archbishop-cordileone-nancy-pelosi-communion-abortion-243037
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: diaduit on May 21, 2022, 02:28:37 PM
I am delighted he has done this but the cynic in me wonders why he couldn't have done this before or is it because the Supreme court leak exposed just how prolife is gathering a massive momentum in USA ....is he moving with the tide?
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Geremia on May 21, 2022, 03:35:03 PM
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Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: mikemac on May 24, 2022, 11:40:27 PM
Archbishop Cordileone compares Pelosi's abortion stance to a “devout satanist”.  A lot of bishops are backing +Cordileone.  Yet Pelosi has already received Holy Communion in Washington.

Nancy Pelosi’s archbishop compares her abortion stance to a “devout satanist”

https://metrovoicenews.com/nancy-pelosis-archbishop-compares-her-abortion-stance-to-a-devout-satanist/
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on May 25, 2022, 01:07:25 AM
Yet Pelosi has already received Holy Communion in Washington.
Yes. Cardinal Gregory lets her receive Holy communion in DC.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/banned-cordileone-san-francisco-pelosi-receives-eucharist-washington

https://religionnews.com/2022/05/23/banned-from-communion-in-san-francisco-pelosi-receives-eucharist-in-washington/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10847225/Nancy-Pelosi-receives-COMMUNION-Catholic-church-Georgetown.html

I don't see the unity in the Catholic church on this issue. One bishop bans her from Communion. Another bishop allows her to receive Communion?




 
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on May 25, 2022, 03:14:12 AM
Yet Pelosi has already received Holy Communion in Washington.
Yes. Cardinal Gregory lets her receive Holy communion in DC.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/banned-cordileone-san-francisco-pelosi-receives-eucharist-washington

https://religionnews.com/2022/05/23/banned-from-communion-in-san-francisco-pelosi-receives-eucharist-in-washington/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10847225/Nancy-Pelosi-receives-COMMUNION-Catholic-church-Georgetown.html

I don't see the unity in the Catholic church on this issue. One bishop bans her from Communion. Another bishop allows her to receive Communion?
Division is diabolic. Issues like this should be the priority of Pope Francis which must be provided clarity because it is about the human soul and he should not be consumed with those policies about the tress in the Amazon forest.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on May 25, 2022, 04:50:48 AM
Division is diabolic.
Yes. i thought that unity is one of the four marks of the true Church: One, holy, Catholic and Apostolic being the 4 marks?
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: MaximGun on May 25, 2022, 05:32:21 AM
One reason I don't have anything to do with the new mass or the priests who say it.

Half of their bishops give communion to public pro-abortionists and promoters of abortion.

The other half of their bishops take 40 years to take action and deny it.

They are hirlings.  The entire lot of them.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Goldfinch on May 25, 2022, 11:06:03 AM
Cordileone has been Archbishop of San Francisco since 2012. It took him quite a while, probably emboldened by the leak on the Roe vs. Wade overturn, to realize that Nancy Pelosi is a public sinner and cannot receive communion.

Regardless, it's troubling to hear the Archbishop in a recent interview, when explaining his decision, refer to a woman who is enthusiastic about gay rights and killing babies in the womb as having a "maternal heart" and how he'd still give her a Catholic burial. When further questioned, the Archbishop could not even muster another reason, other than abortion, that would prevent a Catholic from receiving communion.

The smoke of Satan has engulfed the Church.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Xavier on May 25, 2022, 01:39:41 PM
Archbishop Cordileone is another Proof, if any was needed, that God has not forsaken His Hierarchical Church. God expects the faithful to remain in communion with the Pope and the Bishops with Jurisdiction, and not go off on their own here and there. God loves us, and wants us all to be saved. Like He raised up St. Athanasius and others, He will raise up Episcopal Saints in His time.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Kaesekopf on May 25, 2022, 01:57:11 PM
Archbishop Cordileone is another Proof, if any was needed, that God has not forsaken His Hierarchical Church. God expects the faithful to remain in communion with the Pope and the Bishops with Jurisdiction, and not go off on their own here and there. God loves us, and wants us all to be saved. Like He raised up St. Athanasius and others, He will raise up Episcopal Saints in His time.

:lol:
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Kaesekopf on May 25, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
Division is diabolic. Issues like this should be the priority of Pope Francis which must be provided clarity because it is about the human soul and he should not be consumed with those policies about the tress in the Amazon forest.

He and his Vatican staffers are more worried about my going to the TLM than politicians advocating legalized slaughter. 
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Baylee on May 25, 2022, 02:09:56 PM
Archbishop Cordileone is another Proof, if any was needed, that God has not forsaken His Hierarchical Church. God expects the faithful to remain in communion with the Pope and the Bishops with Jurisdiction, and not go off on their own here and there. God loves us, and wants us all to be saved. Like He raised up St. Athanasius and others, He will raise up Episcopal Saints in His time.

:lol:

"if any was needed"   :rofl:
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Xavier on May 25, 2022, 02:24:24 PM
Archbishop Cordileone is another Proof, if any was needed, that God has not forsaken His Hierarchical Church. God expects the faithful to remain in communion with the Pope and the Bishops with Jurisdiction, and not go off on their own here and there. God loves us, and wants us all to be saved. Like He raised up St. Athanasius and others, He will raise up Episcopal Saints in His time.

:lol:

"if any was needed"   :rofl:

Well, the Word of God, the Promise of Christ, and the Teaching of the Church are itself a Proof of the Indefectibility of the Hierarchical Church. Here is the Catholic Encyclopedia: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm

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"Among the prerogatives conferred on His Church by Christ is the gift of indefectibility. By this term is signified, not merely that the Church will persist to the end of time, but further, that it will preserve unimpaired its essential characteristics. The Church can never undergo any constitutional change which will make it, as a social organism, something different from what it was originally.

It can never become corrupt in faith or in morals; nor can it ever lose the Apostolic hierarchy, or the sacraments through which Christ communicates grace to men. The gift of indefectibility is expressly promised to the Church by Christ, in the words in which He declares that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It is manifest that, could the storms which the Church encounters so shake it as to alter its essential characteristics and make it other than Christ intended it to be, the gates of hell, i.e. the powers of evil, would have prevailed. It is clear, too, that could the Church suffer substantial change, it would no longer be an instrument capable of accomplishing the work for which God called it in to being.

He established it that it might be to all men the school of holiness. This it would cease to be if ever it could set up a false and corrupt moral standard. He established it to proclaim His revelation to the world, and charged it to warn all men that unless they accepted that message they must perish everlastingly. Could the Church, in defining the truths of revelation err in the smallest point, such a charge would be impossible. No body could enforce under such a penalty the acceptance of what might be erroneous. By the hierarchy and the sacraments, Christ, further, made the Church the depositary of the graces of the Passion. Were it to lose either of these, it could no longer dispense to men the treasures of grace."
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Jayne on May 25, 2022, 03:22:13 PM
Division is diabolic. Issues like this should be the priority of Pope Francis which must be provided clarity because it is about the human soul and he should not be consumed with those policies about the tress in the Amazon forest.

He and his Vatican staffers are more worried about my going to the TLM than politicians advocating legalized slaughter.

Exactly.  While Francis makes occasional statements regarding abortion being evil, he has made it clear from early in his papacy that he does not want to take sides in the culture war. (And that is how he would characterize Archbishop Cordileone's action.) He wants to be "pastoral" to abortion supporters.  I wish he would be half as pastoral to Catholics who want to attend the TLM.

In general, he does not provide clarity about any Catholic teaching, although he has managed to make it clear that there is something wrong with Catholics who want to attend a traditional Mass.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Kaesekopf on May 25, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
Well, the Word of God, the Promise of Christ, and the Teaching of the Church are itself a Proof of the Indefectibility of the Hierarchical Church. Here is the Catholic Encyclopedia: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm

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"Among the prerogatives conferred on His Church by Christ is the gift of indefectibility. By this term is signified, not merely that the Church will persist to the end of time, but further, that it will preserve unimpaired its essential characteristics. The Church can never undergo any constitutional change which will make it, as a social organism, something different from what it was originally.

It can never become corrupt in faith or in morals; nor can it ever lose the Apostolic hierarchy, or the sacraments through which Christ communicates grace to men. The gift of indefectibility is expressly promised to the Church by Christ, in the words in which He declares that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It is manifest that, could the storms which the Church encounters so shake it as to alter its essential characteristics and make it other than Christ intended it to be, the gates of hell, i.e. the powers of evil, would have prevailed. It is clear, too, that could the Church suffer substantial change, it would no longer be an instrument capable of accomplishing the work for which God called it in to being.

He established it that it might be to all men the school of holiness. This it would cease to be if ever it could set up a false and corrupt moral standard. He established it to proclaim His revelation to the world, and charged it to warn all men that unless they accepted that message they must perish everlastingly. Could the Church, in defining the truths of revelation err in the smallest point, such a charge would be impossible. No body could enforce under such a penalty the acceptance of what might be erroneous. By the hierarchy and the sacraments, Christ, further, made the Church the depositary of the graces of the Passion. Were it to lose either of these, it could no longer dispense to men the treasures of grace."
Thank you for yet another non-sequitur copypaste post.   :toth:
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on May 25, 2022, 04:23:15 PM
Division is diabolic.
Yes. i thought that unity is one of the four marks of the true Church: One, holy, Catholic and Apostolic being the 4 marks?
My take on this is the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the One that Jesus made. Now, it is obvious that the infiltration over it by the diabolic is going on just on the fact that the Bishops are divided in terms of implementation of the Catechism of our Church. Nevertheless, the wrongful act of these Church leaders do not create any kind of infirmity to the Holiness of the Mystical Body of Jesus that is the foundation of our true adoration as Catholics. This is a clear situation that God is allowing the devil to do his work the way Job suffered from it. We just continue to pray and be obedient to love God and loving our fellow being. The correct adoration to God is where we find the unity and that is only through Jesus, I humbly submit.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on May 25, 2022, 04:29:41 PM
Division is diabolic. Issues like this should be the priority of Pope Francis which must be provided clarity because it is about the human soul and he should not be consumed with those policies about the tress in the Amazon forest.

He and his Vatican staffers are more worried about my going to the TLM than politicians advocating legalized slaughter.
Worst, people like Jeffrey Sachs who is a pro-abortion advocate is among those who has been appointed among the insiders by the pontiff together with godless Phyllis Zagano. Yes, TLM is banned by Pope Francis while the statute of Protestant Martin Luther is in the Vatican together with the pagan goddess Pachamama wherein many native Americans were killed and offered to that demonic figure. God knows all that is going on.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on May 25, 2022, 04:36:38 PM
Division is diabolic. Issues like this should be the priority of Pope Francis which must be provided clarity because it is about the human soul and he should not be consumed with those policies about the tress in the Amazon forest.

He and his Vatican staffers are more worried about my going to the TLM than politicians advocating legalized slaughter.

Exactly.  While Francis makes occasional statements regarding abortion being evil, he has made it clear from early in his papacy that he does not want to take sides in the culture war. (And that is how he would characterize Archbishop Cordileone's action.) He wants to be "pastoral" to abortion supporters.  I wish he would be half as pastoral to Catholics who want to attend the TLM.

In general, he does not provide clarity about any Catholic teaching, although he has managed to make it clear that there is something wrong with Catholics who want to attend a traditional Mass.
Who am I to judge?, is such a vague phrase that can be used by the demonic in justifying evil acts. The most recent pronouncement by the pontiff that I found problematic was when he stated in Feb 2 this year I think, about the blasphemers being part of the Communion of Saints. I find that statement by Pope Francis simply crossing the lines of the teachings of the previous popes.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: red solo cup on May 26, 2022, 01:06:57 PM
Another parish has banned her.
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/no-sacrament-you-more-dioceses-ban-pelosi-receiving-communion?fbclid=IwAR0OXv7gy5iZr0eNz6_PDbTHS0C7G029iFm-GI1sGZUUl_wtAquSJytrncs
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Elizabeth on May 26, 2022, 04:41:55 PM
I knew it would be Holy Trinity in Georgetown to give Nancy sacrilegious Communion. 
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Geremia on June 02, 2022, 02:40:06 PM
Though I don't agree with the schismatic Dimond Bros. on everything, they did make a good video on Cordileone's Modernism (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3bZsmuqC14).

Cordileone interview in aforementioned video:
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I cannot judge her [Pelosi's] faith. [Not even in the external forum‽] From my interactions with her, I think she's sincere when she says that. I think her faith really is important to her; it really is important to her to be Catholic; and she feels devotion in her heart. […] She has a wonderful maternal heart.[❗️]
cf. St. Pius X, Pascendi (https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis.html) §7 on the Modernists' vital immanence: "faith, which is the basis and the foundation of all religion, consists [according to Modernists] in a sentiment which originates from a need of the divine."

Letter to the faithful on the Notification sent to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, May 20, 2022 (https://sfarchdiocese.org/letter-to-the-faithful-on-the-notification-sent-to-speaker-nancy-pelosi/):
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Speaker Pelosi remains our sister in Christ. [Not if she's excommunicated!] Her advocacy for the care of the poor and vulnerable [except the unborn!] elicits my admiration. I assure you that my action [of withholding Communion from her] here is purely pastoral, not political.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: james03 on June 02, 2022, 03:20:58 PM
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Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Goldfinch on June 03, 2022, 03:16:01 PM
Archbishop Cordileone is another Proof, if any was needed, that God has not forsaken His Hierarchical Church.

Archbishop Cordileone Undoes with his Left Hand What He Did with his Right
 (https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2022/05/archbishop-cordileone-undoes-with-his.html?m=1)

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Well, friends, I checked with a contact in the San Francisco area about whether homosexualist cheerleader James DeWan was ordained to the permanent diaconate on Saturday by Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone. I posted yesterday asking for information about the missing candidate, since ten were scheduled for ordination and only nine attended. I hoped and prayed that the archbishop had better sense than to ordain a man with so scandalous a background who is obviously unfit for ordained ministry in the Church by the Church's own directives!

Unfortunately, DeWan was, in fact, ordained. Here's the response I received from my northern California friend:

Yes on the ordination. There was a guy missing but not him and my contact didn't know why. Don't know anything about him. I can tell you the program is quite solid although the new class will have a different guy in charge. They had the parishes where the deacons came from and where they were going and one was the notorious MHR (Most Holy Redeemer) but my contact didn't know if they had one or were receiving one.

The archbishop with the "heart of a lion" apparently has feet of clay.

I'm reposting a few of DeWan's disgraceful tweets here like the one above. Frankly I'm shocked at what Archbishop Cordileone has done and so grievously disappointed. Of course the San Francisco archdiocese is notoriously pro-homosexual and Archbishop Cordileone inherited a lot of problems. It seems rather foolish to give himself more.

Warning, disgusting picture: https://assistant.gloria.tv/FxK6pqhk7ZiS1AZwTDoBU6KMY/gfivihwxcekn0gsux3d8xpt12jedzzk2jbzoy6l.webp?format=webp (https://assistant.gloria.tv/FxK6pqhk7ZiS1AZwTDoBU6KMY/gfivihwxcekn0gsux3d8xpt12jedzzk2jbzoy6l.webp?format=webp)

DeWan isn't the only permanent deacon whose behavior is shocking. In 2017, another permanent deacon brought scandal to the archdiocese. "Openly gay" deacon Brian Bromberger was investigated for articles and actions in flagrant violation of Catholic teaching. Some of his articles for The Bay Area Reporter which celebrates sodomy are too pornographic to review here. While the diocesan spokesman said the deacon was being investigated in 2017, he apparently got a pass since he continues to be listed among priests and deacons with faculties in the archdiocese. See the PDF from October 2021. Meanwhile, he continues to write for the The Bay Area Reporter and to applaud the gay lifestyle.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Every person on earth no matter how committed to mortal sin should be treated with kindness. But to allow active homosexuals and those who shill for homosexuality to serve at the altar handling the Body and Blood of the Lord is shocking and sacrilegious! We know from Michael Rose's book, Good-Bye Good Men that gatekeepers in the seminaries locked out manly men who embraced Church teaching as "too rigid." Instead they welcomed gays into the priesthood giving us the scourge of child sex abuse where a high percentage of those molested were young teen boys groomed, fondled, and raped by gay priests.

That the problem was male on male abuse was confirmed by the John Jay report. What kind of bishop, in the light of all we've seen, happily ordains men with perverted and disordered sexual lives? Even if they don't act out on their disordered inclinations, they are not fit canidates for ministry. Their view of life is skewed, like looking at your image in a fun house mirror.

I remember reading years ago about a Canadian bishop who publicly stated that only men who would make good husbands and fathers should be ordained to the priesthood. How right he was! And the same goes for the permanent diaconate.

Archbishop Cordileone can't have it both ways. You can't defend the assault on the family by aborting its youngest and most vulnerable members, and then turn around and embrace the assault on the family through homosexuality and same sex "marriage." It's like raising two roosters and still expecting to get baby chicks. The archbishop's actions are schizophrenic! In one act he defends the family; in the other he attacks it.

To discipline Nancy Pelosi and forbid her from receiving Communion was a pastoral act for the good of her soul. To allow an active gay man to function as an ordained minister and ordain another who rejects Church teaching and cheers for sodomy and same-sex marriage is not only not pastoral, but scandalous!

We are left with one more betrayal by a bishop whom we believed was an answer to prayer. How many more shocking disappointments must we endure. How many times will we have to carry the heaviest cross of all, the betrayal by our own spiritual fathers?

(https://josephsciambra.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/dewan7.jpg)

I can no longer praise Archbishop Cordileone. I can only mourn and shake my head as I think of Nancy being denied Communion while two champions of sodomy not only receive the Body of Christ but serve at the altar and are presented to the faithful as worthy ministers to preach and teach the faith they mock by their actions.

May God have mercy on Archbishop Cordileone.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: diaduit on June 04, 2022, 04:26:34 AM
His act of banning of communion for Pelosi while completely correct just doesn't pass my sniff test....neither does Vigano but of course I could be utterly wrong and I know God will win regardless.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Xavier on June 04, 2022, 07:39:25 AM
Let's Pray for Archbishop Cordileone and other Bishops to be strong in the Lord and faithful to Jesus and Mary in all things. Amen.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Goldfinch on June 04, 2022, 04:38:01 PM
Let's Pray for Archbishop Cordileone and other Bishops to be strong in the Lord and faithful to Jesus and Mary in all things. Amen.

They could start by not ordaining actively gay deacons, for instance.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on June 04, 2022, 04:38:34 PM
Maybe Bishop Cordileone being an appointee of Pope Emeritus Benedict knows that he won't have the red cap under the reign of Pope Francis being the way of the current leadership, thus, rather made that bold statement against Pelosi for there is nothing to loss and he just have to make a stand of a Catholic leader. This is the reality in the politics within the Catholic Church leadership that is not peculiar. But he has to go back to the reality that he needs an ally among the sodomites who has very strong influence in the socio-political and economic affairs of the U.S.

He ordained a person who does not even know the definition of love and is openly transgressing the will of God. 
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 04, 2022, 08:12:32 PM

They could start by not ordaining actively gay deacons, for instance.
Right. But IMHO this should also apply to candidates for the priesthood and bishoprics? With this out in the open, it is truly incredible that he would be ordained, except that historians claim that there have been homosexually active Popes. For example, Paul II, Sixtus  IV, Leo X, Julius III.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Julio on June 04, 2022, 08:24:14 PM
^I agree and it must start with ordaining Priests.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Goldfinch on June 05, 2022, 11:24:50 AM
They could start by not ordaining actively gay deacons, for instance.
Right. But IMHO this should also apply to candidates for the priesthood and bishoprics? With this out in the open, it is truly incredible that he would be ordained, except that historians claim that there have been homosexually active Popes. For example, Paul II, Sixtus  IV, Leo X, Julius III.

What historians are those?
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Justin Martyr on June 05, 2022, 11:48:25 AM

They could start by not ordaining actively gay deacons, for instance.
Right. But IMHO this should also apply to candidates for the priesthood and bishoprics? With this out in the open, it is truly incredible that he would be ordained, except that historians claim that there have been homosexually active Popes. For example, Paul II, Sixtus  IV, Leo X, Julius III.

This is complete slander against Paul II and Leo X. I don't know about the other two, but such a claim would require very solid substantiation.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 05, 2022, 01:15:46 PM
I have been hearing from "pseudo-historians" since my high school days, that all kinds of historical figures were Sodomites; which past generations somehow never perceived. While there were some Popes that have led immoral lives, I have not heard of a single one who was one of these.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Lynne on June 05, 2022, 02:53:11 PM

Archbishop Cordileone Undoes with his Left Hand What He Did with his Right
 (https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2022/05/archbishop-cordileone-undoes-with-his.html?m=1)

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjE5O21aaYBeYWvp1tFljLG8V-Yg0JWs4rQm7Ia5kkekshKuwKzhO84xAk1DaUv3eeJRNdBJwNgFeJs_SP5faAQcnzvsBfUHBOZakvOzkHxW1FCTRPeSElPLjEoR9Xs_e9GOFdiBh6blBEqxadJ3tm1JXd4AEDdP3hHtUl_9BwFSP1qVkthzteMRjkg)

The person to the right of Archbishop Cordileone, is that a woman?



Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Goldfinch on June 05, 2022, 03:18:35 PM
The person to the right of Archbishop Cordileone, is that a woman?

We shouldn't presume to judge the sex that the person identifies with.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Justin Martyr on June 05, 2022, 04:51:57 PM
The person to the right of Archbishop Cordileone, is that a woman?

We shouldn't presume to judge the sex that the person identifies with.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Larry on June 05, 2022, 06:56:59 PM

Archbishop Cordileone Undoes with his Left Hand What He Did with his Right
 (https://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2022/05/archbishop-cordileone-undoes-with-his.html?m=1)

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjE5O21aaYBeYWvp1tFljLG8V-Yg0JWs4rQm7Ia5kkekshKuwKzhO84xAk1DaUv3eeJRNdBJwNgFeJs_SP5faAQcnzvsBfUHBOZakvOzkHxW1FCTRPeSElPLjEoR9Xs_e9GOFdiBh6blBEqxadJ3tm1JXd4AEDdP3hHtUl_9BwFSP1qVkthzteMRjkg)

The person to the right of Archbishop Cordileone, is that a woman?




I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 05, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
I have been hearing from "pseudo-historians" since my high school days, that all kinds of historical figures were Sodomites; which past generations somehow never perceived. While there were some Popes that have led immoral lives, I have not heard of a single one who was one of these.
I don't know if these historians were mistaken in their claims:
Paul II:
1. Leonie Frieda, The Deadly Sisterhood: A Story of Women, Power, and Intrigue in the Italian Renaissance, 1427–1527, chapter 3 (HarperCollins, 2013) ISBN 978-0-06-156308-9
2.  Karlheinz Deschner, Storia criminale del cristianesimo (tomo VIII), Ariele, Milano, 2007, pag. 216.
3. Nigel Cawthorne, Das Sexleben der Päpste. Die Skandalchronik des Vatikans, Benedikt Taschen Verlag, Köln, 1999, pag. 171.
4. Claudio Rendina, I Papi, Storia e Segreti, Newton Compton, Roma, 1983, p. 589.

Sixtus IV
 1. Cawthorne, Nigel (1996). Sex Lives of the Popes. Prion. p. 160. ASIN 185375546X.
  2.  Stefano Infessura, Diario della città di Roma (1303–1494), Ist. St. italiano, Tip. Forzani, Roma 1890, pp. 155–156


Leo X 
C. Falconi, Leone X, Milan, 1987

Julius III
Burkle-Young, Francis A., and Michael Leopoldo Doerrer. The Life of Cardinal Innocenzo del Monte: A Scandal in Scarlet, Lewiston, N.Y.: Edwin Mellen, 1997


Julius II
Louis Crompton, Homosexuality and Civilization, page 278 (Harvard University Press, 2006) ISBN 978-0-674-01197-7

Also Traditioninaction.org has raised questions about a post VII pope. I don't know how credible Traditioninaction.org is.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 06, 2022, 06:11:11 PM
With reference to the question of withholding Communion from pro-choice politicians, according to the AP-NORC poll: Sixty-six percent of all Catholics  said Communion should not be withheld from politicians who disagree with church teaching on abortion. The poll also found that 77 percent of U.S. Catholics said Communion should not be denied to someone who identifies as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, and 64 percent of U.S. Catholics say that abortion should be legal in most or all cases. Another poll finds that more than two-thirds of U.S. Catholics now support same-sex marriage.
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/06/06/poll-us-catholics-disagree-church-abortion-lgbt-243108
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 06, 2022, 06:30:44 PM
AINg,
Anyone can claim anything they want in a book. The lives of a few Popes were indeed scandalous, and even denounced by Catholic historians; but I have yet read of one of the Popes being charged with Sodomy.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Baylee on June 06, 2022, 06:42:21 PM
With reference to the question of withholding Communion from pro-choice politicians, according to the AP-NORC poll: Sixty-six percent of all Catholics  said Communion should not be withheld from politicians who disagree with church teaching on abortion. The poll also found that 77 percent of U.S. Catholics said Communion should not be denied to someone who identifies as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, and 64 percent of U.S. Catholics say that abortion should be legal in most or all cases. Another poll finds that more than two-thirds of U.S. Catholics now support same-sex marriage.
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/06/06/poll-us-catholics-disagree-church-abortion-lgbt-243108

So, at least 2/3 of Novus Ordo adherents are not Catholic.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 06, 2022, 06:45:09 PM
I have yet read of one of the Popes being charged with Sodomy.
Sodomy? I am not sure what that is. Would sexual activity between two males qualify as Sodomy?
I have seen some Traditional Catholics quote from the site:  Traditioninaction.org. I don't know how credible they are, but apparently you have not read all of their articles.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 06, 2022, 06:45:48 PM
With reference to the question of withholding Communion from pro-choice politicians, according to the AP-NORC poll: Sixty-six percent of all Catholics  said Communion should not be withheld from politicians who disagree with church teaching on abortion. The poll also found that 77 percent of U.S. Catholics said Communion should not be denied to someone who identifies as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, and 64 percent of U.S. Catholics say that abortion should be legal in most or all cases. Another poll finds that more than two-thirds of U.S. Catholics now support same-sex marriage.
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/06/06/poll-us-catholics-disagree-church-abortion-lgbt-243108

So, at least 2/3 of Novus Ordo adherents are not Catholic.
It is a disaster.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Justin Martyr on June 06, 2022, 07:38:44 PM
With reference to the question of withholding Communion from pro-choice politicians, according to the AP-NORC poll: Sixty-six percent of all Catholics  said Communion should not be withheld from politicians who disagree with church teaching on abortion. The poll also found that 77 percent of U.S. Catholics said Communion should not be denied to someone who identifies as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, and 64 percent of U.S. Catholics say that abortion should be legal in most or all cases. Another poll finds that more than two-thirds of U.S. Catholics now support same-sex marriage.
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2022/06/06/poll-us-catholics-disagree-church-abortion-lgbt-243108

So, at least 2/3 of Novus Ordo adherents are not Catholic.

If we're basing it off this survey, then it would mean atleast 2/3 of Novus Ordo adherents in America are not Catholic. Which has been known for decades. I'm surprised the number isn't higher. Heck, you even had American Archbishops in pre-Vatican II times publically professing heresy via statements such as "No Salvation Outside the Church? Nonsense!". Im just glad faithful souls still dwell in the America at all.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 06, 2022, 10:11:19 PM

If we're basing it off this survey, then it would mean atleast 2/3 of Novus Ordo adherents in America are not Catholic. Which has been known for decades. I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
Where is the true Catholic Church that people have been talking about? Would it be the Church which is  una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Francis or not?
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Justin Martyr on June 07, 2022, 12:49:35 AM

If we're basing it off this survey, then it would mean atleast 2/3 of Novus Ordo adherents in America are not Catholic. Which has been known for decades. I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
Where is the true Catholic Church that people have been talking about? Would it be the Church which is  una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Francis or not?

Large numbers of faithless, nominal "Catholics" in the west have no bearing on the identity of the Catholic Church. Nor did the large numbers of Arian bishops in the 4th Century. The Church has always consisted more of chaff than of wheat during her earthly sojourn, with many reprobate within her walls. The Fathers were fond of the analogy of the Ark of Noe, where within the sole means of salvation there were far more animals than men.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: mikemac on June 09, 2022, 08:30:02 PM
Whatever you think of Archbishop Cordileone you can't deny that he started something that could grow into something very good.

Colorado Catholic Bishops Tell Democrats Who Voted for Abortions Up to Birth to Not Receive Communion

https://www.lifenews.com/2022/06/08/colorado-catholic-bishops-tell-democrats-who-voted-for-abortions-up-to-birth-to-not-receive-communion/
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 09, 2022, 11:24:05 PM
Whatever you think of Archbishop Cordileone you can't deny that he started something that could grow into something very good.

Colorado Catholic Bishops Tell Democrats Who Voted for Abortions Up to Birth to Not Receive Communion

https://www.lifenews.com/2022/06/08/colorado-catholic-bishops-tell-democrats-who-voted-for-abortions-up-to-birth-to-not-receive-communion/
Abortions up to birth? What about those who vote to allow abortions up to 5 months?
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: mikemac on June 10, 2022, 08:41:00 PM
Whatever you think of Archbishop Cordileone you can't deny that he started something that could grow into something very good.

Colorado Catholic Bishops Tell Democrats Who Voted for Abortions Up to Birth to Not Receive Communion

https://www.lifenews.com/2022/06/08/colorado-catholic-bishops-tell-democrats-who-voted-for-abortions-up-to-birth-to-not-receive-communion/
Abortions up to birth? What about those who vote to allow abortions up to 5 months?

Yea, I imagine they are just being current.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 11, 2022, 10:43:43 AM
I have yet read of one of the Popes being charged with Sodomy.
Sodomy? I am not sure what that is. Would sexual activity between two males qualify as Sodomy?
I have seen some Traditional Catholics quote from the site:  Traditioninaction.org. I don't know how credible they are, but apparently you have not read all of their articles.
Sodomy generally refers to sexual activity between two people of the same sex; but it can also refer to unnatural sexual acts between people of opposite sex.
Ref. To T.I.A. Are spokesmen for a cult to a Brazilian philosopher, Dr. Plinieo Correa De Olivera, who had many unsound ideas, manly about incredible excellence of his own person; and anti-clericalism as regards to the Church.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 12, 2022, 01:10:09 AM

Ref. To T.I.A. Are spokesmen for a cult to a Brazilian philosopher, Dr. Plinieo Correa De Olivera, who had many unsound ideas, manly about incredible excellence of his own person; and anti-clericalism as regards to the Church.
I was asked for a source. i gave 9 other sources in addition to TIA.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 12, 2022, 01:28:49 AM
it can also refer to unnatural sexual acts between people of opposite sex.
There are priests who say that sexual activity between two married people is not Sodomy as long as it does not involve artificial contraception and in the end it is open to producing children.  Are they heretics? Is there an infallible document which confirms that these priests  are heretics?
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 12, 2022, 01:18:46 PM

Ref. To T.I.A. Are spokesmen for a cult to a Brazilian philosopher, Dr. Plinieo Correa De Olivera, who had many unsound ideas, manly about incredible excellence of his own person; and anti-clericalism as regards to the Church.
I was asked for a source. i gave 9 other sources in addition to TIA.
Well any Catholic history of the Church. One does not have to have read an enormous amount on the Papacy, since the vast majority of the Popes where very good an many were saints; the scoundrels were few in number.
For example: Rev. Reuben Parsons S.J. "Studies in Church History" (seven volumes).
A less compendious source is Rev. Phillip Hughes "A History of the Catholic Church" in three volumes (both available at amazon)
For just a history of the Popes, Eamon Duffy (who wrote a great trilogy of the Reformation in England) "Saints and Sinners, a History of the Popes". His research is outstanding. (also amazon)
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 12, 2022, 01:49:12 PM
it can also refer to unnatural sexual acts between people of opposite sex.
There are priests who say that sexual activity between two married people is not Sodomy as long as it does not involve artificial contraception and in the end it is open to producing children.  Are they heretics? Is there an infallible document which confirms that these priests  are heretics?
No, the sexual act to be licit, must not deliberately exclude progeny; any act of copulation that is not of itself for engendering children is Sodomic. Any sexual act in which the procreative end is deliberately frustrated or excluded is Onanism.  Marriage is not a license to do whatever one wants; even the marriage act must be in accord with morality and its natural purpose. 
Here is a quote from a standard volume of Moral Theology: John McHough, O.P. & Charles Callan, O.P. "Moral Theology-A complete Course Based On St. Thomas Aquinas And the Best Modern Authorities" Vol II pg. 593
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c) Unnatural Consumated acts.-Pollution is mortally sinful (#2535 sqq) and is worse in married than in single persons, as being an injury to the faith pledged in marriage; and hence it is not lawful to practice it even for the purpose of artificial fecundation. Rectal copulation is also gravely sinful, being unnatural lust (see 2534) and a violation of conjugal faith. The usual forms of unnatural vaginal coition, which are very much practiced today, are contraceptive in purpose,.....
Then #2534 states the following:
Quote
Unnatural lust.-Worst among the sins of impurity, as such, are crimes of unnatural lust, for they exercise the sexual act, not only illicitly, but also in a manner that defeats its purpose of reproduction. In some non-veneral respects, however, natural sins of purity may be worse than the unnatural; for example, adultery is worse as regards injustice, sacrilegious lust as regards religion, etc. There are four distinct species of unnatural impurities-pollution, unnatural coition, sodomy, bestiality (see Denzinger 1124).
a) For procreation nature requires copulation, and hence pollution is unnatural, for it exercises semination without copulation, either alone (self abuse, solitary vice, masturbation) or with another (softness).
b) For procreation nature requires proper copulation, that is, one that will permit of a fertile union between the two life elements, the sperma and the ovum. Hence, unnatural coition does not comply with this necessity, for it does not employ the proper organ of sexual union, substituting rectal for vaginal intercourse, or else by some form of natural or artificial onanism it frustrates the act of its destined conclusion. This sin is worse than pollution, since pollution omits to use intercourse, whereas unnatural coition positively abuses it.
c)For procreation nature requires heterosexual intercourse, a condition disregarded by sodomy, which is the lustful commerce of male with male (pederastry, uranism), or femal with female (tribadism, sapphism, Lesbian love). This sin is worse than unnatural coition, for it is a greater perversity to neglect one of the two needed life elements than to neglect the right process for their union.(see Gen., XIX. 24, 25; Lev., xx. 13; Rom., i. 26,27)
Denzinger 1124 (cited above) in a list of lax moral propositions condemned is the following:
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124  24. Voluptuousness, sodomy, and bestiality are sins of the same ultimate species, and so it is enough to say in confession that one has procured a pollution.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: AlNg on June 12, 2022, 02:33:28 PM

No,
You might be right, but I have heard differently from others, for example from a Catholic Jesuit priest who was a professor of Catholic theology at a Catholic university which operates with the approval and support of the local Catholic bishop.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 18, 2022, 10:19:15 AM

No,
You might be right, but I have heard differently from others, for example from a Catholic Jesuit priest who was a professor of Catholic theology at a Catholic university which operates with the approval and support of the local Catholic bishop.
Correct; but individual Catholic bishops are not protected from falling into error. Further, there has been a great lack of vigilance by Catholic bishops since Vatican II, in the safeguarding of the soundness of the formation of priests in the seminaries and the teaching of Catholic doctrine in their diocese.
The example that you brought up on another thread of Fr. Hans Kung, who has been teaching and publishing heresies since the Council is only one of many.
Title: Re: Archbishop Cordileone Formally Addresses Pelosi Scandal
Post by: Michael Wilson on June 19, 2022, 12:15:55 PM

They could start by not ordaining actively gay deacons, for instance.
Right. But IMHO this should also apply to candidates for the priesthood and bishoprics? With this out in the open, it is truly incredible that he would be ordained, except that historians claim that there have been homosexually active Popes. For example, Paul II, Sixtus  IV, Leo X, Julius III.
Even if the above were in fact true, this would not change either the teaching of the Church which condemns such acts, or the necessity of rigorously screening candidates to the priestly and religious life, to exclude any that were not ready and willing to live virtuous lives and strive for sanctity.