What would you do if you were drafted?

Started by Kaesekopf, January 27, 2013, 01:55:42 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Ancilla Domini

Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Yes.

erin is nice

Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Only under extreme necessity.

CoolCat

Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Only under extreme necessity.
Please explain the conditions that meet your definition of "extreme necessity".

Der Kaiser

Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

yes for protection of the nation. Like if there is an invasion etc. but not to invade another country
"If a Pope changes the rites of the sacraments he puts himself outside the Church and is Anathema"-Pope Innocent III

"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of Anti-Christ"-Our Lady of La Sallette

The hebrews have not recognized the lord, therefore we can not recognize the hebrews.-St Pius X

erin is nice

Quote from: CoolCat on January 28, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Only under extreme necessity.
Please explain the conditions that meet your definition of "extreme necessity".

An actual invasion.

jovan66102

Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

No.
Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.

Vive le Christ-roi! Vive le roi, Louis XX!
Deum timete, regem honorificate.
Kansan by birth! Albertan by choice! Jayhawk by the Grace of God!
"Qui me amat, amet et canem meum. (Who loves me will love my dog also.)" St Bernard of Clairvaux
https://musingsofanoldcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/

Gottmitunsalex

Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on January 28, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Only under extreme necessity.
Please explain the conditions that meet your definition of "extreme necessity".

An actual invasion.
Well if that were the case, you would not wait or need to be conscripted. You would just bear arms (if you haven't given them up already)  ;D , and fight from home. It's called defense.

In actuality, there cannot be a case of extreme necessity to compel a Catholic to accept to go to war for a Non-Catholic homeland.  Catholic Europe, Heiliges Römisches Reich, to name a few, now that, one would go to war for. 
Even against your own tyrannical government, a communistic, left wing government, like.. Republican Spain (Communists). Where the Catholics (Carlists, Franqoists) rose and fought for the One True Faith and for the land.


It's interesting to see how people would prefer prison, possible death or run away to another country before going to war by conscription. But when it comes to giving up their guns, they would peaceably do it.

Ironic.

Unless it was for the One True Faith, I would not go to war for any country. And sure as hell I am not giving up my guns.   




 
"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?"  St. John Chrysostom  Sunday Homily

"The two goals of the Jews: The universal domination of the world and the destruction of Catholicism, out of hatred for Christ" --Mgr. Jouin

OCLittleFlower

Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on January 28, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Only under extreme necessity.
Please explain the conditions that meet your definition of "extreme necessity".

An actual invasion.

So a bombing a la Pearl Harbor wouldn't cause you to draft young men if you were the Commander in Chief?
-- currently writing a Trad romance entitled Flirting with Sedevacantism --

???? ?? ?????? ????????? ???, ?? ?????.

Der Kaiser

Quote from: OCLittleFlower on January 29, 2013, 04:33:15 AM
Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: CoolCat on January 28, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: erin is nice on January 28, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on January 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Do you think the State has a moral right to conscript and draft young men to go to war?

Only under extreme necessity.
Please explain the conditions that meet your definition of "extreme necessity".

An actual invasion.

So a bombing a la Pearl Harbor wouldn't cause you to draft young men if you were the Commander in Chief?

That would count as an invasion in my book anyway.
"If a Pope changes the rites of the sacraments he puts himself outside the Church and is Anathema"-Pope Innocent III

"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of Anti-Christ"-Our Lady of La Sallette

The hebrews have not recognized the lord, therefore we can not recognize the hebrews.-St Pius X

erin is nice

Quote from: OCLittleFlower on January 29, 2013, 04:33:15 AM
So a bombing a la Pearl Harbor wouldn't cause you to draft young men if you were the Commander in Chief?

No, I would not consider that an invasion. Besides, didn't they know ahead of time that was going to happen? Or am I thinking of some other event?

Bonaventure

It seems that every major US military conflict is based on an attack. With the Mexican American War, they claimed Mexico shot first, even though then Rep. Abe Lincoln demanded to see the exact spot note map.

The US went to war with Spain over the alleged sinking of the USS Maine, but afaik, they discovered that the Maine malfunctioned and sank. Spain didn't shoot it down.

WWI was over the Lusitania, which was bringing munitions to Britain. Etc.
Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation. When his breath departs he returns to his earth; on that very day his plans perish.

Kaesekopf

#26
For Pearl Harbor, hadn't we imposed crippling sanctions on the Japanese (in terms of steel and oil) while continued to support the "Allies" with resources?  It was, in effect, an act of war, and the Japanese had no other action to take. 

Also, I thought Pearl Harbor was known about, FDR just needed some event to occur to give him the popular sentiment to enter the war.

But of course our leaders need an attack to occur.  They know we will rarely ever be invaded, but popular sentiment wins the day.  If you can find some Japs, Krauts, or terr'rists to pin it on, well....  we can't hear you over your impending freedom.

Wie dein Sonntag, so dein Sterbetag.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.  ~Treebeard, LOTR

Jesus son of David, have mercy on me.

Bonaventure

#27
Yes, because "we" (I use the term loosely) wanted Japan to end their war against China. Ending oil supply to the Empire of Japan would essentially cripple their war machine. It was political.
Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation. When his breath departs he returns to his earth; on that very day his plans perish.

Bernadette

Funny, I was just talking with my uncle about this a couple of days ago. I said, "I wonder how long it will be before women have to register for the draft." He said, "Oh, they don't do that anymore!"  I was pretty sure that he was wrong, since I seem to remember seeing the question :"If you are a male, have you registered for Selective Service?" on some sort of form that I'd filled out in the past. Thankfully, I'm too old now, if women ever DO have to register, and I highly doubt that I'd pass the physical.  :P
My Lord and my God.
Ven. Matt Talbot, pray for Tom.

jovan66102

Quote from: Bernadette on January 29, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
Funny, I was just talking with my uncle about this a couple of days ago. I said, "I wonder how long it will be before women have to register for the draft." He said, "Oh, they don't do that anymore!"  I was pretty sure that he was wrong, since I seem to remember seeing the question :"If you are a male, have you registered for Selective Service?" on some sort of form that I'd filled out in the past. Thankfully, I'm too old now, if women ever DO have to register, and I highly doubt that I'd pass the physical.  :P

Young men are, indeed, still required to register with the Selective Service Administration, tho' the actual draft ended on 1 July 1973. If they do not, they are ineligible for many Federal programs such as student loans.
Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.

Vive le Christ-roi! Vive le roi, Louis XX!
Deum timete, regem honorificate.
Kansan by birth! Albertan by choice! Jayhawk by the Grace of God!
"Qui me amat, amet et canem meum. (Who loves me will love my dog also.)" St Bernard of Clairvaux
https://musingsofanoldcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/