Cutting hair

[LouisIX]

Today, your hair isn't sending a message about your morality.

I think it can and does. I don't know about NEVER cutting it, it seems from the examples of the saints and even religious that this isn't absolute. But hair cut, style and color can definitely send a message. You can't read a person's soul through their hair but it is one more exterior sign of the interior state.

That's why - in general, numbers large enough to notice - goths go black, lesbians go butch, rockers (or wannabes) go purple/blue and asymmetric, victoria secret models go long and wavy, playmates go platinum etc... Different cuts and colors have different "feels" to them and they attract people who sympathize with that "feel".

I agree.

Though it's painfully relative and subjective to the times.

I have a beard and long hair (for a guy-- past my shoulders) I usually have in a pony tail.  In another time I could have been confused for a knight or even a cleric.

While long hair has always been a symbol of femininity, it's never been inextricably linked with femininity.  Long hair can represent a sort of regal, manly beauty when a man has the time, money, and station in life to be able to keep it long.

I have a theory that short hair was an entirely practical decision, made necessary by men doing physically demanding things which required hair not get in the way.

[Bonaventure]

I think it depends. Women can cut their hair short so it looks boyish, or have a feminine short style, just as a man can have long, masculine hair, or grow it out and have perms to look like a women.

[Mithrandylan]

Though it's painfully relative and subjective to the times.

I have a beard and long hair (for a guy-- past my shoulders) I usually have in a pony tail.  In another time I could have been confused for a knight or even a cleric.

While long hair has always been a symbol of femininity, it's never been inextricably linked with femininity.  Long hair can represent a sort of regal, manly beauty when a man has the time, money, and station in life to be able to keep it long.

I have a theory that short hair was an entirely practical decision, made necessary by men doing physically demanding things which required hair not get in the way.

Awww, thanks dude-- but we're both married.

Anyways, on a serious note you might be right about short hair.  Actually, HK said that short hair was an innovation of pagans and freemasons.  I'm not sure.  Maybe he can shed some light on it. 

[The Harlequin King]

Awww, thanks dude-- but we're both married.

Anyways, on a serious note you might be right about short hair.  Actually, HK said that short hair was an innovation of pagans and freemasons.  I'm not sure.  Maybe he can shed some light on it.

What I meant was that it was a gesture of French Revolutionary egalitarianism. A gentleman of the 18th century wore his hair long or short but with a long wig (which is admittedly cheating). The revolutionaries imposed short hair for two reasons: 1.) to imitate the ancient Romans, and 2.) to shed the visible signs of nobility and wear the same haircut as a common working man. Short haircuts were of course used by peasants (though especially in America, it seems even the working class commonly wore their hair long. You know what John Steinbeck said about Americans never being proletarian, but only temporarily embarrassed millionaires.)


So today, it makes sense for a trad mechanic or factory worker to keep his hair short so his head doesn't get shredded by machinery. A modern middle class trad, though, lives as comfortably as a noble of Christendom, so there's no reason he couldn't maintain the bearing of his ancestors: standing straight, dressing well, and wearing longer hair than that which was made fashionable by yesterday's Masons and revolutionaries.

[LouisIX]

I think it depends. Women can cut their hair short so it looks boyish, or have a feminine short style, just as a man can have long, masculine hair, or grow it out and have perms to look like a women.

This is going to be a controversial point, but I feel that hair itself is inherently beautiful when long.  Short hair is thus not a look of beauty but simply a pragmatic decision (or began that way). 

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

[Mithrandylan]

I think it depends. Women can cut their hair short so it looks boyish, or have a feminine short style, just as a man can have long, masculine hair, or grow it out and have perms to look like a women.

This is going to be a controversial point, but I feel that hair itself is inherently beautiful when long.  Short hair is thus not a look of beauty but simply a pragmatic decision (or began that way). 

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

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[Kaesekopf]

This is going to be a controversial point, but I feel that hair itself is inherently beautiful when long.  Short hair is thus not a look of beauty but simply a pragmatic decision (or began that way). 

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

I would disagree.  Hair is not necessarily beautiful when long.  I've seen examples of nice-looking short hair, and I've seen horrid examples of long hair.  The long hair types have typically been seen on Little House on the Prairie types, though, fwiw.

[Mithrandylan]

This is going to be a controversial point, but I feel that hair itself is inherently beautiful when long.  Short hair is thus not a look of beauty but simply a pragmatic decision (or began that way). 

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

I would disagree.  Hair is not necessarily beautiful when long.  I've seen examples of nice-looking short hair, and I've seen horrid examples of long hair.  The long hair types have typically been seen on Little House on the Prairie types, though, fwiw.

Inherently doesn't mean "always" if that makes sense.

Something can be done to something that is inherently "x" to make appear as not being "x."

Say we agree that flower type Y is inherently beautiful.  Then someone has bloody diarrhea all over it.

See what I mean?

[erin is nice]

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

Short hair suits some faces and personalities. I look like myself with very short hair, and I look silly with long hair. I think everyone has a style of hair that looks best on him or her, and it is not the same for all men or all women. 

[tx2step]

I agree.
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Though it's painfully relative and subjective to the times.

I have a beard and long hair (for a guy-- past my shoulders) I usually have in a pony tail.  In another time I could have been confused for a knight or even a cleric.
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You know that long hair can't hide that red neck, boy.


My hair is really really short and always screaming red.

[LouisIX]

This is going to be a controversial point, but I feel that hair itself is inherently beautiful when long.  Short hair is thus not a look of beauty but simply a pragmatic decision (or began that way). 

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

I would disagree.  Hair is not necessarily beautiful when long.  I've seen examples of nice-looking short hair, and I've seen horrid examples of long hair.  The long hair types have typically been seen on Little House on the Prairie types, though, fwiw.

Inherently doesn't mean "always" if that makes sense.

Something can be done to something that is inherently "x" to make appear as not being "x."

Say we agree that flower type Y is inherently beautiful.  Then someone has bloody diarrhea all over it.

See what I mean?

This.

[LouisIX]

For that reason, I can understand why men would want long hair, but not why women would want short.  Some women can still look ok with short hair, but I don't think that makes it feminine.

Short hair suits some faces and personalities. I look like myself with very short hair, and I look silly with long hair. I think everyone has a style of hair that looks best on him or her, and it is not the same for all men or all women. 

I agree with that to a point.

[erin is nice]

Women with long hair are being oppressed by the man. 

[Gottmitunsalex]

I can see how short hair works:




Even Liz kept it short:



Erin:
You might want to let it grow out a little bit more and frizzle it (or whatever its called).
You may be amazed at the results.

[erin is nice]

My plan for tomorrow is to keep the top long-ish (about 4 inches) and have the sides and back buzzed to about a half inch.