The NO - 2% Catholicism?

[Bonaventure]

I was recently discussing childhood experiences in the Novus Ordo with a friend of mine, who is also a tradvert.

One idea that comes to mind is that the entire NO experience I had - in serving, school, etc. - was a diluted Catholicism. A watered down Catholicism. 2%.

I took it more seriously than others, but at the same time, it was so lax compared to what I know now.

What say you on this topic?

[Mithrandylan]

Comparing Catholicism to milk, eh?

The NO is strawberry skim milk. 

Tradition, on the other hand, is whole milk.  Straight from the udder.

[Bonaventure]

Comparing Catholicism to milk, eh?

The NO is strawberry skim milk. 

Tradition, on the other hand, is whole milk.  Straight from the udder.

I would say non-homogenized. Just like the old days, from the milkman with the cream at the top of the bottle.

[Bonaventure]

Also, you probably know, but I do not mean the Novus Ordo Missae of 1969. Whilst this Johannine-Pauline service is a main aspect, it is not the entirety of the new program, the new religion.

I mean everything. The charities, the chanceries, the schools, everything.

[Mithrandylan]

Comparing Catholicism to milk, eh?

The NO is strawberry skim milk. 

Tradition, on the other hand, is whole milk.  Straight from the udder.

I would say non-homogenized. Just like the old days, from the milkman with the cream at the top of the bottle.

Milkmen are a modernist innovation.  Think USCCB with a bottling factory. 

Scary.

[LouisIX]

2% sounds about right.  Maybe 5%. 


When I was a young lad we were taught by a few nuns and had a nun as a principal.  I think the revolution didn't fully hit their order until the early 90s.  Before then things were quite neocath but with more smells and bells than usual.  I remember the awe I felt at Mass (though I was certainly robbed of the incomparable awe I would have felt with the TLM). 


But even with that, I feel miles from how my grandparents were raised.  And then the nuns suddenly stopped wearing their headcoverings and we had more problems than some felt (and felt is terrible).

[Penelope]

It really is bare bones. I grew up in a parish that at least maintained some veneer of authentic Catholicism: bells at the Consecration, didn't begin using altar girls till the late '90s, the grade school used to go to Mass every first Friday (and we had a half day of school those days, too!), once in a while threw some Latin into the Mass, kept all the old statues, didn't really teach us a bunch of hippie kumbaya social justice crap, you get the idea. Yet even with this, it was still all bare bones Catholicism.

[OzarkCatholic]

Just an FYI, Whole milk is 4.00% fat:



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_content_of_milk

[Greg]

Homeopathic Catholicism.

No evidence it is working like it is supposed to, missing the vital ingredients, but people convince themselves it should be working, so it must be.

Sounds about right.

[Archer]

It really is bare bones. I grew up in a parish that at least maintained some veneer of authentic Catholicism: bells at the Consecration, didn't begin using altar girls till the late '90s, the grade school used to go to Mass every first Friday (and we had a half day of school those days, too!), once in a while threw some Latin into the Mass, kept all the old statues, didn't really teach us a bunch of hippie kumbaya social justice crap, you get the idea. Yet even with this, it was still all bare bones Catholicism.

That was my experience as well.  Enough where you could tell it was a Catholic parish, but lacking the richness of the Faith. 

[dymphna17]

Sadly, very few have been taught the Faith, so they have no idea what they are missing.  You can't know the richness, with full cream, of whole milk if all you've ever had was watered down skim.  And they've been taught that whole milk is poison, so most won't go near it.

[Elliott]

I was brought up baptist. So I guess my faith was like soy milk.

[Kaesekopf]

Sadly, very few have been taught the Faith, so they have no idea what they are missing.  You can't know the richness, with full cream, of whole milk if all you've ever had was watered down skim.  And they've been taught that whole milk is poison, so most won't go near it.

Indeed.  Except, some are open to it.

As an example (that I use often), my parents used to belong to a very modern NO parish (the one with a good grade school that I went to and grew up at).  As I hit high school and went to college, I became more traditional, and slowly exerted some suggestion to go to the Basilica of St Josaphat, which offers a "more traditional" NO.  Smells, bells, not-crap music, beautiful church, etc.  Bit by bit, I think, I'll be able to get them trad. 

I just think they see it as foreign and hard to understand.  So, it's less of a hatred and more of a wariness and distaste for change.

[Penelope]

So, it's less of a hatred and more of a wariness and distaste for change.

Ironic, no? If only there had been more distaste for change, oh, 50 years ago.

But I also think that wariness, distaste for change, and a general lack of understanding of the Faith are the reasons that my family resist the idea of the Latin Mass. I dare not discuss the rest of it with them. They would write me off as a lunatic (well, even more so than they have already) and they wouldn't understand the subtleties of tradition. It isn't open hostility to Truth, but more of a hostility to the suggestion that something important in their lives has been woefully wrong for the past 40-odd years.

[Kaesekopf]

So, it's less of a hatred and more of a wariness and distaste for change.

Ironic, no? If only there had been more distaste for change, oh, 50 years ago.

But I also think that wariness, distaste for change, and a general lack of understanding of the Faith are the reasons that my family resist the idea of the Latin Mass. I dare not discuss the rest of it with them. They would write me off as a lunatic (well, even more so than they have already) and they wouldn't understand the subtleties of tradition. It isn't open hostility to Truth, but more of a hostility to the suggestion that something important in their lives has been woefully wrong for the past 40-odd years.

I think oftentimes they are just willing to go along with what the priests and bishops say because they "are in the leadership."

Some people, like my father, don't consider themselves to have much time to debate the case for traditionalism and thus just try to fulfill their obligations to God as they were instructed.

For all the revolt you hear of if you changed things overnight, I think the mass majority of people would go along with changes.  They might whine, but in the end they still have to go to church.