Should we accept this wisdom of the Talmud?

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

"It has been taught: Abba Benjamin says, If the eye had the power to see them, no creature could endure the demons. Abaye says: They are more numerous than we are and they surround us like the ridge round a field. R. Huna says: Every one among us has a thousand on his left hand and ten thousand on his right hand. Raba says: The crushing in the Kallah lectures comes from them.
Fatigue in the knees comes from them. The wearing out of the clothes of the scholars is due to their rubbing against them. The bruising of the feet comes from them. If one wants to discover them, him take sifted ashes and sprinkle around his bed, and in the morning he will see something like the
footprints of a cock. If one wishes to see them, let him take the after-birth of a black she-cat, the offspring of a black she-cat, the first-born of a first-born, let him roast it in fire and grind it to powder, and then let him put some into his eye, and he will see them. Let him also pour it into an
iron tube and seal it with an iron signet that they should not steal it from him. Let him also close his mouth, lest he come to harm. R. Bibi b. Abaye did so, saw them and came to harm. The scholars,however, prayed for him and he recovered."

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

Talmud - Mas. Berachoth 6a for those who want to know. There isn't a good chapter verse type system with Talmud I have, so referencing what section a quote is from is still very imprecise.

https://ia600609.us.archive.org/17/items/CompleteBabylonianTalmudEnglish/Complete%20Babylonian%20Talmud%20%28English%29.pdf

 That's the pdf. I don't know how to do keyword searches with the online pdf, but on the downloaded version I can. All kinds of silly stuff in there. Very amusing. Along with Zohar, etc it's worth looking at the writings of heresy to see just how absurd their stuff is. For moderns it continues with Judith Butler, etc.

[Bernadette]

I thought we weren't supposed to read the texts of other religions?

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

I thought we weren't supposed to read the texts of other religions?

Oh, yeah, I'm just being sarcastic to point out the "wisdom" of those who criticize the church isn't that wise at all. If you believed the American Enterprise Institute you'd be told in fact these people are the smartest people on earth, lol. But, Talmud, Zohar, Frank, Judith Butler- they don't really impress upon reading.

[Joseph_3]

I've sampled the Talmud out of curiosity, and came across some very disturbing things. I think it was Sanhedrin 54b that said that bestiality is acceptable as long as it is a young boy committing it. Of all heathenistic religious texts I have ever read that book is by far the most perverse.

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

I've sampled the Talmud out of curiosity, and came across some very disturbing things. I think it was Sanhedrin 54b that said that bestiality is acceptable as long as it is a young boy committing it. Of all heathenistic religious texts I have ever read that book is by far the most perverse.

  It's odd in that they also say a man shouldn't hold his member while peeing lest he accidently masturbate, so it has contradictory puritianism and perversion.
  Overall I'd say it reads as bullshiting and wrangling for it's own sake, and thus most of it is valueless or meaningless.
  Zohar is similarly low quality, but it doesn't even try to have debate, etc and goes to new absurd level with magic letters and the like. It IS very tantalizing imagery. Talmud has a sort of pretense of rationality, but the appeal of the Zohar is clearly artistic.
  I think that mindless wrangling, accepting of bald assertion as truth, etc carries on into post-modernism, etc. IE, there was an aping of Greek rationality but not much in spite of the industry put into the material.

  In Sefer Yetzirah the world is created by the numbers in 10 (1, 2, 3, etc) and the 22 Hebrew letters. It's a reverse order of truth. Rather than there being a world number and letter describe the letter creates the world. Now, think of the philosophy of identity politics- the gender identity is the reality, not the physical sex. The book is more real than the world. I think that spirit persist.
 
  Modern art is a long description and an idea next to a piece of "art" with no beauty. The word is more important than the reality, and if it's a word an unreality is considered a reality. In the Talmud if a story is interesting it's true, you don't have to prove it's true.

[benedicite]

We can accept the Talmud in as much as it does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is more important to study your catechism and let that be the light which guides you.

[AlNg]

If you believed the American Enterprise Institute you'd be told in fact these people are the smartest people on earth,

Jews win a lot of Nobel prizes and they excel in many areas. Even Catholics quote the Jewish historian Josephus. At one time some universities had quotas against Jews because there were too many of them qualifying for admission. Now though, American universities and colleges are using various methods to restrict the number of Asians that they admit.

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

If you believed the American Enterprise Institute you'd be told in fact these people are the smartest people on earth,

Jews win a lot of Nobel prizes and they excel in many areas. Even Catholics quote the Jewish historian Josephus. At one time some universities had quotas against Jews because there were too many of them qualifying for admission. Now though, American universities and colleges are using various methods to restrict the number of Asians that they admit.

  Jews have a lot of intellectual achievement. Certainly a lot of mental endurance. That said, there is a weakness to their tradition and habits of thought.
  It goes like this- "How can a people who seem to be the smartest also be so consistently wrong?" I think that's worth dissecting. What are the strong and the weak points of Jewish mental abilities?
 And, really, maybe you can expand that to history- why are they so good at being generally successful whereever they go but also get kicked out, why was their religion so persistant but their kingdoms so short lived?
  Everything has a lot of strengths and weaknesses which aren't immediately apparent. A strength proves a weakness, a weakness a strength, etc.
  Of course, if a jew becomes a christian we are are happy, and the first christians were jews. I'm attacking the jewish religious and poisonous intellectual tradition, not jews who have the right ideas. I'm sure cultural and personality characteristics show up to benefit us when they are with us, but maybe some weaknesses they'd have to overcome as well, like anyone.
  Because jew means religion and race it becomes a tangled topic. Obviously we recognize they were god's chosen people. Note I don't attack the old testament, but Kabbalah, pharisees, etc.

  As to university policies of enrollment, I think that should be done with blind testing- IE, turn the names to a string of numbers, then let the smartest one's in. That way you can't claim bias. Obviously in a community college just let anyone in who completed high school.

[Jmartyr]

Doesn't the Talmud call our Blessed Lady a harlot?

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

Doesn't the Talmud call our Blessed Lady a harlot?

  I'm joking to highlight how ridiculous the Talmud is.

[TradGranny]

We can accept the Talmud in as much as it does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is more important to study your catechism and let that be the light which guides you.

Blasphemous attacks on Our Lord and Our Lady (too disgusting to repeat here) mean that Catholics should not read that digusting filth. Or do you like a little poison mixed in with your meal?

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

We can accept the Talmud in as much as it does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is more important to study your catechism and let that be the light which guides you.

Blasphemous attacks on Our Lord and Our Lady (too disgusting to repeat here) mean that Catholics should not read that digusting filth. Or do you like a little poison mixed in with your meal?

  To can read it to criticize the descendants of the Pharisees. As to the Zohar how anyone doesn't instantly laugh at it upon reading perplexes me.

[TradGranny]

We can accept the Talmud in as much as it does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is more important to study your catechism and let that be the light which guides you.

Blasphemous attacks on Our Lord and Our Lady (too disgusting to repeat here) mean that Catholics should not read that digusting filth. Or do you like a little poison mixed in with your meal?

  To can read it to criticize the descendants of the Pharisees. As to the Zohar how anyone doesn't instantly laugh at it upon reading perplexes me.

In your OP you referred to that document which is a disgusting blasphemous attack on God, His Church, Our Lady and Our Lord the "Wisdom of the Talmud."

[CatholicStudyAttempt]

We can accept the Talmud in as much as it does not contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church. It is more important to study your catechism and let that be the light which guides you.

Blasphemous attacks on Our Lord and Our Lady (too disgusting to repeat here) mean that Catholics should not read that digusting filth. Or do you like a little poison mixed in with your meal?

  To can read it to criticize the descendants of the Pharisees. As to the Zohar how anyone doesn't instantly laugh at it upon reading perplexes me.

In your OP you referred to that document which is a disgusting blasphemous attack on God, His Church, Our Lady and Our Lord the "Wisdom of the Talmud."

  I was being sarcastic