Pius XII denied beatification of "very well known founder of a religious order"?

Started by Geremia, November 11, 2021, 03:28:57 PM

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Maximilian


https://www.ucanews.com/news/saints-who-smoked-popes-who-puffed-and-priests-who-snuffed/66635#

How about modern popes? Pius X took snuff and smoked cigars. Benedict XV did not smoke and did not like others' smoke. Pius XI smoked an occasional cigar. Pius XII did not smoke. And John XXIII smoked cigarettes.

Paul VI was a non-smoker. So was John Paul I, though Vatican officials appeared to hint—just after his sudden, perplexing death—that his final ill health might be due to heavy smoking.

John Paul II did not smoke, but Pope Benedict XVI reportedly does (or once did), apparently favoring Marlboros.

Tobacco use became an issue during the beatification investigations of Joseph of Cupertino, John Bosco, and Philip Neri. With the first two, the devil's advocates argued that heroic virtue did not apply because they used tobacco. Joseph's advocate argued, based on interviews with Joseph during his life, that his smoking was an aid to his holiness, helping him stay up at night for his devotions and extend his fasting.

In the case of Philip Neri, the examination of his corpse during the investigation showed that the soft tissues of his nose had gone and so his body was not incorruptible. It was suggested that this was due to his heavy use of snuff. But these were weak arguments against their saintliness.

Maximilian


http://theradtrad.blogspot.com/2015/08/holy-smoke.html

Snuff was popular among wealthy clergy. Benedict XIII, Benedict XIV Lambertini, and Pius IX all enjoyed a hint of nasal stimulation. Snuff became so popular that papal edicts against the presence of snuff boxes on the altar were needed. Recent John XXIII and Benedict XVI were cigarette smokers. Pius X and XI liked cigars, although Pius X had a stronger penchant for cigarettes (one account of him in the sacristy, atop the sedia gestatoria with tiara and all, has him puffing furiously before Mass with a deacon holding an ash tray for him). Smoking was allowed during Mass at St. Peter's basilica to avoid the migration of men in and out of the temple.

Frank

Quote from: GiftOfGod on November 11, 2021, 10:36:39 PM
Too bad Pope Pius XII didn't apply such scrutiny to heretic Archbishop Roncalli (later John XXIII) before he elevating him to the Patriarchate of Venice (and, ipso facto, to the cardinalate).

And it's too bad then-Cardinal Pacelli (later Pius XII) didn't also apply such scrutiny to the homosexual Bishop Montini (later Paul VI) before continuously promoting him for decades in the Vatican bureaucracy.

Did Pope Pius XII apply scrutiny when he appointed Fr. Bugnini (a Freemason) as secretary to the Commission for Liturgical Reform (where Bugnini "reformed" the Easter Vigil in 1951, Holy Week in 1955, and created the Novus Ordo Missae in the 1960s)? In 1965, Fr. Bugnini said "We must strip from our Catholic prayers and our Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren, that is, for Protestants." How could Pope Pius XII not notice this attitude during the liturgical changes 10-15 years before?

I believe Pius XII to be a Pope but he was probably the worst one of the 20th Century, or maybe in the history of the Church, because, to paraphrase Cromwell, the enemies of the Church flourished under his protection; they were ready to pounce upon his death and unleash the Abomination of Desolation that we have lived under ever since.
Good post.I found that very informative. Enough to turn anyone Sede.

Not me though.  ;D
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