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Title: Contempt for leaders
Post by: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Melkor on May 01, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
Biden is a joke and the election was almost 💯 % rigged. Don't worry about making fun of him. We do the same with our gay-boy Trudeau.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.

This is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.

Catholics should know better, whether or not they like, or agree with, any given head of state.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: TandJ on May 02, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
Well surprisingly yesterday I read (in either Davis or Connells moral theology) that you have to obey even an illegitimate leader. I was shocked to read that
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Daniel on May 02, 2021, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 02, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
Well surprisingly yesterday I read (in either Davis or Connells moral theology) that you have to obey even an illegitimate leader. I was shocked to read that

I don't know who Davis and Connell are, but this is incorrect. Or, at the very least, it can't possibly be universally binding. (If it was, we'd be then morally bound to obey everyone and anyone who tries to boss us around. Not only is this absurd, but in practice it would be an impossible rule to live by, since there might be one person commanding you to do X and another person forbidding you from doing X. As soon as that happens you'd be forced to sin, since you can't possibly obey both "leaders".)


As for the original post, we really shouldn't be making fun of anybody.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.

This is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.

Catholics should know better, whether or not they like, or agree with, any given head of state.

I'm not really concerned. No Russian collusion was found, despite millions of taxpayer dollars spent on the investigation. You can consider Biden legitimate but I don't. I'm not going to pretend like I do by calling him "President Biden."
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.

This is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.

Catholics should know better, whether or not they like, or agree with, any given head of state.

I'm not really concerned. No Russian collusion was found, despite millions of taxpayer dollars spent on the investigation. You can consider Biden legitimate but I don't. I'm not going to pretend like I do by calling him "President Biden."

If the legitimacy of a given head of state, duly sworn in and recognized as such by the branches of government, were dependent upon the personal opinion of each citizen, then the command to honor leaders and superiors could never really be enforced and the system itself would collapse.

The same reasoning applies to the question of the pope. It would all be reduced to a no true Scotsman situation. "Why don't you obey so and so?" Because, according to my interpretation, so and so is not the "true President" or the "true Pope". And so forth.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.

This is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.

Catholics should know better, whether or not they like, or agree with, any given head of state.

I'm not really concerned. No Russian collusion was found, despite millions of taxpayer dollars spent on the investigation. You can consider Biden legitimate but I don't. I'm not going to pretend like I do by calling him "President Biden."

If the legitimacy of a given head of state, duly sworn in and recognized as such by the branches of government, were dependent upon the personal opinion of each citizen, then the command to honor leaders and superiors could never really be enforced and the system itself would collapse.

The same reasoning applies to the question of the pope. It would all be reduced to a no true Scotsman situation. "Why don't you obey so and so?" Because, according to my interpretation, so and so is not the "true President" or the "true Pope". And so forth.

Biden has more than sufficient military and police force to maintain power, despite the opinions of a number of citizens who don't think he's illegitimate. Of course, if the vast bulk of a citizenry stopped recognizing the legitimacy of their government, it probably would fall. That's happened on more than a few occasions. Some level of popular support is necessary for a government. The fact is, corrupt governments exist and fraudulent elections happen. You are free to disagree with my assessment of Biden and the last election. It really doesn't bother me. Nothing will change the fact we're stuck with this guy for 4-8 years. But accepting or rejecting the legitimacy of the last election is not a matter of Catholic faith and morals, and I am free to draw a different conclusion in accordance with my conscience.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Daniel on May 02, 2021, 06:42:58 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 05:53:26 PM
But accepting or rejecting the legitimacy of the last election is not a matter of Catholic faith and morals,

Practically speaking, I think it is a matter of morals. And this is what concerns me. We may not fall into heresy if we guess wrong. Nevertheless, the Church teaches that we are morally obligated to obey the civil authorities. Now it would seem that we do not know who the civil authorities are, but that doesn't mean we're off the hook. We have to make a guess, and, if we guess wrong, and if we subsequently disobey, then we are accountable for our disobedience, because we willfully disobeyed. But I think we can hope in God to move us and inspire us that we may guess correctly and act accordingly, if we are of good will and if we pray about it.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Melkor on May 02, 2021, 06:53:00 PM
Render unto Caesar. Was Caesar a "legitimate" leader? No. But Our Lord pair taxes and obeyed the census decree. Does this mean we have to obey the government in things that aren't evil? Yes. Can we trash Biden for the incoherent child sniffer he is? Damn right we can.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.

This is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.

Catholics should know better, whether or not they like, or agree with, any given head of state.

I'm not really concerned. No Russian collusion was found, despite millions of taxpayer dollars spent on the investigation. You can consider Biden legitimate but I don't. I'm not going to pretend like I do by calling him "President Biden."

If the legitimacy of a given head of state, duly sworn in and recognized as such by the branches of government, were dependent upon the personal opinion of each citizen, then the command to honor leaders and superiors could never really be enforced and the system itself would collapse.

The same reasoning applies to the question of the pope. It would all be reduced to a no true Scotsman situation. "Why don't you obey so and so?" Because, according to my interpretation, so and so is not the "true President" or the "true Pope". And so forth.

Biden has more than sufficient military and police force to maintain power, despite the opinions of a number of citizens who don't think he's illegitimate. Of course, if the vast bulk of a citizenry stopped recognizing the legitimacy of their government, it probably would fall. That's happened on more than a few occasions. Some level of popular support is necessary for a government. The fact is, corrupt governments exist and fraudulent elections happen. You are free to disagree with my assessment of Biden and the last election. It really doesn't bother me. Nothing will change the fact we're stuck with this guy for 4-8 years. But accepting or rejecting the legitimacy of the last election is not a matter of Catholic faith and morals, and I am free to draw a different conclusion in accordance with my conscience.

The question is not whether you agree with the legitimacy of the elections or not. Personally, I think all elections of such magnitude are rigged one way or the other. History teaches us that. Even Charles V, an otherwise godly ruler, rigged his way into the imperial throne through unashamed bribery. Papal elections are also full of stories like that.

The point is that once a given head of state is legally recognized as such, you owe him a modicum of respect. It's part of one's character to show respect to people in authority and not behave as resentful brats. Otherwise, how would the command to honor leaders and superiors be enforced to begin with? One can always invoke reasons as to why A or B is not the "true" superior, leader, president, king, etc. Biden, for all intents and purposes, is the president of the United States. No-one else is. The same way Trump was before him, the Left's pouts notwithstanding. As such, you owe him the respect due to his office, regardless of how you think he got there. That's all it means.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: james03 on May 02, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
QuoteThis is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.
You are foreign, so I don't expect you to know the details, but that was not the case.  The position of the Left was that Trump broke the law and needed to be impeached, that is, lawfully removed from office, as in, he was the President.

The position from the Right is that Biden was never elected, and he's not the President.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: james03 on May 02, 2021, 08:05:41 PM
Did the Catholic Church condemn the Sanfedisti?  No.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: james03 on May 02, 2021, 08:11:35 PM
Vetus,
Do you condemn Franco?
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 08:16:55 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 02, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Vetus Ordo on May 02, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 01, 2021, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 01, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I've just read that contempt for leaders is sinful. What kind of sin would it be if a person makes fun of their president on social media and whatnot and feeling like I don't have to obey a president who is illegitimate. I'm guilty of this pretty frequently in the last few months

A government is only a government if it is legitimate.  It is kind of like a law that requires you to commit evil.  It isn't a real law and cannot be obeyed.  I have no doubt that Pretender Biden is an illegitimate leader.  I have no respect for fake leaders who are installed with an army surrounding them and an MSM acting like a ministry of propaganda.

This is exactly the same attitude that the Left had towards Trump. In his case, he was illegitimate because of Russian collusion.

Catholics should know better, whether or not they like, or agree with, any given head of state.

I'm not really concerned. No Russian collusion was found, despite millions of taxpayer dollars spent on the investigation. You can consider Biden legitimate but I don't. I'm not going to pretend like I do by calling him "President Biden."

If the legitimacy of a given head of state, duly sworn in and recognized as such by the branches of government, were dependent upon the personal opinion of each citizen, then the command to honor leaders and superiors could never really be enforced and the system itself would collapse.

The same reasoning applies to the question of the pope. It would all be reduced to a no true Scotsman situation. "Why don't you obey so and so?" Because, according to my interpretation, so and so is not the "true President" or the "true Pope". And so forth.

Biden has more than sufficient military and police force to maintain power, despite the opinions of a number of citizens who don't think he's illegitimate. Of course, if the vast bulk of a citizenry stopped recognizing the legitimacy of their government, it probably would fall. That's happened on more than a few occasions. Some level of popular support is necessary for a government. The fact is, corrupt governments exist and fraudulent elections happen. You are free to disagree with my assessment of Biden and the last election. It really doesn't bother me. Nothing will change the fact we're stuck with this guy for 4-8 years. But accepting or rejecting the legitimacy of the last election is not a matter of Catholic faith and morals, and I am free to draw a different conclusion in accordance with my conscience.

The question is not whether you agree with the legitimacy of the elections or not. Personally, I think all elections of such magnitude are rigged one way or the other. History teaches us that. Even Charles V, an otherwise godly ruler, rigged his way into the imperial throne through unashamed bribery. Papal elections are also full of stories like that.

The point is that once a given head of state is legally recognized as such, you owe him a modicum of respect. It's part of one's character to show respect to people in authority and not behave as resentful brats. Otherwise, how would the command to honor leaders and superiors be enforced to begin with? One can always invoke reasons as to why A or B is not the "true" superior, leader, president, king, etc. Biden, for all intents and purposes, is the president of the United States. No-one else is. The same way Trump was before him, the Left's pouts notwithstanding. As such, you owe him the respect due to his office, regardless of how you think he got there. That's all it means.

I respect the office of the American presidency. I will obey, for pragmatic reasons, any morally permissible law Mr. Biden signs. I refer to him as "Pretender Biden" as a reference to holding a title of pretence. I don't consider that disrespectful. It is sometimes used among royal claimants. I do not pretend like my opinion of his legitimacy amounts to anything other than my personal opinion. I'm not going to stage an insurrection or heap disrespect upon him. But I will not call him something that I do not believe he is, and that's a legitimate president. I owe him no more than that. If you consider that bratty, okay.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Gardener on May 02, 2021, 10:17:06 PM
Quote from: TandJ on May 02, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
Well surprisingly yesterday I read (in either Davis or Connells moral theology) that you have to obey even an illegitimate leader. I was shocked to read that

That's absurd. If they are illegitimate, then they are not lawful. In essence, your source is positing that one has to themselves deny reality and assent to unlawfulness. Patently absurd.

One might engage in non-sinful things if prudence dictates, but a person is never morally bound to obey someone who is not lawfully in authority and power, since they do not have said authority or power in any conceivable fashion.

For example, if the Mafia "ran" a town, one might assess the risk of "disobeying" and opt to abide by any random edict provided it is not objectively sinful. But they are not morally bound to do so. If said edict is objectively grave matter, then one is morally bound to "disobey". Moreover, one never NEVER bound to obey unjust laws.

If one wishes to posit this broad obedience to even illegitimate authority, then one might as well throw out all the martyrs of Ireland, England, Mexico, etc. since in reality, they were just disobedient idiots.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Vetus Ordo on May 03, 2021, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: james03 on May 02, 2021, 08:11:35 PM
Vetus,
Do you condemn Franco?

What for?
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: james03 on May 04, 2021, 06:45:43 AM
Disobeying and showing contempt for the duly elected government of Spain.  Obviously.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Miriam_M on May 04, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
I thought the original question had to do with "contempt," which I consider different from (a) condemnation of an individual's policies and (b) outrage with regard to corrupt elections, outrage at unlawful attempts by governmental bodies such as Congress to override due process, etc.

I consider "contempt" to be equivalent to hatred.  Thus, if I behave contemptuously to a person of any rank or no rank, it's a sin.  And ditto if I nourish hatred of that person within my heart.

I don't have such feelings about Biden, Harris, or other individuals.  I have, however, disgust -- if not contempt (strong word) -- for the entire quasi-fascistic style takeover of governmental processes and media by The  Left as an organized movement with human members.

Thus, the hatred that was owned and nourished by the Left during/after the Clinton-Trump election and then swelled to a demonic level during the 4 years after that became the driving theme of the Democratic campaign:  hatred for a man, hatred for the person of DJT.  There's nothing "Democratic," "American," or admirable about that.  I did not see DJT wage a similar campaign, defined by the Politics of Hatred, but it was waged daily in the media and in schools, by the Democrats, against him.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: TandJ on May 04, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Miriam you explained it like I should have. I don't HATE them and I genuinely wish for their salvation, but this whole experience the past few months has disgusted me and I'm very angry about people calling him a good Catholic and scandalizing people with his behavior. I'm angry he is getting communion without repenting, I'm angry he is ruining our country.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Miriam_M on May 04, 2021, 11:58:42 AM
Quote from: TandJ on May 04, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Miriam you explained it like I should have. I don't HATE them and I genuinely wish for their salvation, but this whole experience the past few months has disgusted me and I'm very angry about people calling him a good Catholic and scandalizing people with his behavior. I'm angry he is getting communion without repenting, I'm angry he is ruining our country.

The anger is morally legitimate and understandable.  I feel it, too; it's just that I try not to get too exercised (I'm avoiding the news) about it because it begins to affect my life and relationships seriously when I do.  It's a natural activity to read the news; it's a natural impulse to react to injustices such as these, so I don't accuse you of doing something you should not. 

Those of us who live in a sea of "Blue" face this every day, but I find that I have to try to influence others more subtly.  For example, the other night I was treated to a dinner by a family whose student I have helped in a major way. Believe me, these are liberals.  Most Indians who come to this country and are successful are indeed liberals.  I have never tried to influence them away from what I correctly perceive are their political positions.  However, Mom brought up on Saturday night her concerns about the suppression of free speech on college campuses (where her son is and will be elsewhere in grad school in fall). After quietly listening to her voiced displeasure with what she herself called "Cancel Culture,", I said to her rather directly: "Since you and your husband are concerned about this, it's your responsibility to speak up against Cancel Culture where you live and work, because unfortunately it is the predominant movement here at present."

I think I made an impression upon her.  More people need to feel liberated about this; she told me she has encountered similar resistance to popular expectations in several situations that she has encountered.  Again I told her that this was an indication that clearly her voice is the moderate one, not a radical one, and thus she should encourage this genuine resistance.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: james03 on May 04, 2021, 02:32:26 PM
QuoteI don't HATE them and I genuinely wish for their salvation,

I always find this incomplete.  I genuinely wish that Biden REPENTS for his grievous sins and is saved.  I imagine that is implied in your statement, but it needs to be called out in this day and age.  Biden needs to publicly repent considering the public nature of his scandalous behavior. 

Also, on contempt, I absolutely have contempt for pedophiles who anally rape little toddlers.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: mikemac on May 04, 2021, 10:52:14 PM
US Catholic bishops may press Biden to stop taking Communion
When U.S. Catholic bishops hold their next national meeting in June, they'll be deciding whether to send a tougher-than-ever message to President Joe Biden and other Catholic politicians
28 April 2021
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-catholic-bishops-press-biden-stop-taking-communion-77366692


Pelosi's Archbishop Says Pro-Abortion Catholics Should Be Denied Communion
May 3, 2021
https://sports.yahoo.com/pelosi-archbishop-says-pro-abortion-170336742.html
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: VivaCristoRey on May 05, 2021, 07:24:02 AM
Quote from: mikemac on May 04, 2021, 10:52:14 PM
US Catholic bishops may press Biden to stop taking Communion
When U.S. Catholic bishops hold their next national meeting in June, they'll be deciding whether to send a tougher-than-ever message to President Joe Biden and other Catholic politicians
28 April 2021
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-catholic-bishops-press-biden-stop-taking-communion-77366692


Pelosi's Archbishop Says Pro-Abortion Catholics Should Be Denied Communion
May 3, 2021
https://sports.yahoo.com/pelosi-archbishop-says-pro-abortion-170336742.html

I hope they actually follow through with this, and that the Vatican doesn't stop them.  I'm not holding my breath on that but they might surprise me.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: mikemac on May 05, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
Quote from: VivaCristoRey on May 05, 2021, 07:24:02 AM
Quote from: mikemac on May 04, 2021, 10:52:14 PM
US Catholic bishops may press Biden to stop taking Communion
When U.S. Catholic bishops hold their next national meeting in June, they'll be deciding whether to send a tougher-than-ever message to President Joe Biden and other Catholic politicians
28 April 2021
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-catholic-bishops-press-biden-stop-taking-communion-77366692


Pelosi's Archbishop Says Pro-Abortion Catholics Should Be Denied Communion
May 3, 2021
https://sports.yahoo.com/pelosi-archbishop-says-pro-abortion-170336742.html

I hope they actually follow through with this, and that the Vatican doesn't stop them.  I'm not holding my breath on that but they might surprise me.

Agreed.  It would be about time, if they do it.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: red solo cup on May 06, 2021, 04:11:21 AM
"The person who does not become irate when he has cause to be , sins. For an unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices. It fosters negligence and stimulates not only the wicked, but above all, the good to do wrong". -St John Chrysostom
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Melkor on May 06, 2021, 08:25:57 AM
But defining the right cause can be a bit tricky lol.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Tennessean on May 10, 2021, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: Melkor on May 06, 2021, 08:25:57 AM
But defining the right cause can be a bit tricky lol.
I think the 5 Eyes/Anglosphere are headed for a Crisis of the Third Century (if we aren't there now), where every camp has their own deep fake president. Just a secret police state that are into occult and psyops running the show (like General Vallely and his satanist buddy General Aquino scratch the surface of in Mind War (https://archive.org/details/from-psyop-to-mind-war-the-psychology-of-victory/mode/2up)). Get what you want from your enemy by making them believe you're on the same side. Kill them slow, before the war. Give em porn and turn their men into women. The right cause would be none of the above. I don't think the US will repent, we'll probably get smoked in a war the established were certain they could win, and then back home people will just do whatever they want. I think a lot of people are demon possessed already, and they're just waiting for the orgy of violence to kick off. Whatever happens, I think getting out of here is the best option. I feel more optimistic about France or even east Africa repenting before we (in the US) do tbh.

(https://i.ibb.co/kBr7ryZ/silent-solitude.jpg)

I don't remember who WrathOfGnon is, and I don't know the context of the quote, but I always liked it. Christians are exiles.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Prayerful on May 11, 2021, 04:05:24 PM
Frankly legitimacy is a great deal of nothing unless it something like an appeal to a portion of the population able to do stuff. Someone is in power or they are not. We should are exhorted to pray for our enemies and that without charity, we could have nearly the powers of the Lord, but be nothing. That is so hard, but it must be attempted.
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Tennessean on May 17, 2021, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Melkor on May 01, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
Biden is a joke and the election was almost 💯 % rigged. Don't worry about making fun of him. We do the same with our gay-boy Trudeau.
He looks like beardless Castro. Have you seen those side-by-sides?
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: mikemac on May 18, 2021, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Tennessean on May 17, 2021, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Melkor on May 01, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
Biden is a joke and the election was almost 💯 % rigged. Don't worry about making fun of him. We do the same with our gay-boy Trudeau.
He looks like beardless Castro. Have you seen those side-by-sides?

That has clearly been suggested.  He doesn't look like his brother or Pierre.  :)
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: Melkor on May 18, 2021, 10:39:14 AM
https://medium.com/@leibowitt/of-course-fidel-castro-is-justin-trudeaus-dad-nobody-has-debunked-anything-4db6fc8a9042
Title: Re: Contempt for leaders
Post by: mikemac on May 18, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Melkor on May 18, 2021, 10:39:14 AM
https://medium.com/@leibowitt/of-course-fidel-castro-is-justin-trudeaus-dad-nobody-has-debunked-anything-4db6fc8a9042

Who's your daddy?   :)