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The Bookstore / Re: Normandt' Catholic Meditat...

Last post by Normandt - Today at 05:07:32 AM

147. His plan of Love


"Hear me, O coastlands, listen, O distant peoples. The Lord called me from birth, from my mother's womb he gave me my name." Isaiah, chapter 49, verse 1

At the beginning of our existence, when we are in the womb, and even before we find ourselves there, the Lord calls us to him and to his mission. It's extraordinary that the Lord already has a plan for our life, whether we are a little foetus or even when we were only a small cell.

God creates us and he is with us from the first moment of our formation until we return to him. His plan of Love, he offers it to us. He knows us perfectly, since he is the Life that gives us life.

We become aware that we exist. Then we discover that all that we are comes from the Heart of God, our Creator. God is Creator and present for all, without exception.

The new American Bible, 2011-2014
Book: The heart's mission, Normand Thomas

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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Engaging with the Eastern ...

Last post by LausTibiChriste - Today at 04:59:43 AM

If Salvation is coming from the East then maybe we adopt their ways.

Trads who think the conversion of Russia means that they're going to adopt the TLM are in for a big surprise

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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Engaging with the Eastern ...

Last post by AlNg - Today at 01:13:58 AM

Here is a quote from St. Augustine of Hippo, considered a saint in the Orthodox Church

Can you provide a reference for this? I heard that at least some Orthodox Christians do not consider Augustine of Hippo to be a Saint? And according to the First Council of Constantinople in 381 AD, I read that the Creed adopted there did not contain the filioque, but contains the phrase: "And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;..."

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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Engaging with the Eastern ...

Last post by AlNg - Today at 01:01:39 AM

1.Christ founded a Church, only one.
2.The Church must be visible and apparent.
3. Composed of a body of faithful, under one government; teaching authority; agreeing and confessing one and the same doctrine.
4. Not a heterogeneous collection of individuals professing different doctrines; under different leaders.

How does that apply to the Catholic Church of today?

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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Engaging with the Eastern ...

Last post by Greg - Today at 12:57:26 AM

If Salvation is coming from the East then maybe we adopt their ways.

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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Engaging with the Eastern ...

Last post by LausTibiChriste - Today at 12:19:52 AM

As the article states, some of the "Latinizations" such as the stations of the Cross, are centuries old; the same for the Rosary. Plus these priests have not lost the missionary spirit. Finally the use of the Old Slavonic as an antidote to the nationalism that plagues the Eastern Rites and to a greater extent the Orthodox is probably a good idea.

Rosary is a personal devotion which some Easterns practice but many do not.

Stations of the Cross sure, but what you're not getting is that these practices are alien to Easterns and while they would readily admit there's nothing wrong with them it's not for them.

Almost all liturgies outside the West said by Easterns are Old Slavonic.

You can't impose on Easterns, that's not how they work (here I'm talking in particular about Russians)...if the Church realized this in the early 20th century, and listened to Bl. Leonid and Ven. Sheptysky, we might even have had some sort of Union by now. Until those filthy Polish Jesuits got their greasy Polish Jesuit fingers over everything.

This isn't trying to evangelize a culture that is foreign to Christianity, you're talking about a Church with venerable traditions, some of which are older than ours. You can't impose.

Luckily the Church is a lot more nuanced than manual thumping Latin laymen.

The West trying to impose it's way on Russia is precisely why there's a war going on. It's no different in the liturgical realm.

You can't impose Western praxis on them. It won't work and will drive them away. And if it drives them away, we should bear some responsibility for that.

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The Coffee Pot / Re: Catholic Memes

Last post by clau clau - May 04, 2024, 11:52:13 PM

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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Engaging with the Eastern ...

Last post by LausTibiChriste - May 04, 2024, 11:28:35 PM

Yes one of them is a priest in Moscow.

If you want Latinization just go Latin.

It depends.

Some of the arguments of the "de-Latinization" promoters are the same things the Novus Ordo Cranmerites pushed. The Bugnini Holy Week, etc.

Liturgical archaeologism is almost never good.

Not the same at all.

And I agree, liturgical archeaologism is terrible

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General News and Discussion / Re: More Jewish Terror in the ...

Last post by Geremia - May 04, 2024, 10:36:24 PM

Foreign (Israeli-Zionist) collusion in 🇺🇸 politics... 🤦�♂️

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General News and Discussion / Re: More Jewish Terror in the ...

Last post by Geremia - May 04, 2024, 10:33:17 PM

"Antisemitism Awareness Act" (H.R. 6090)