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[Greg]

When we have US military parades commemorating WW2 vets, do we fly a 48 star flag?

Not remotely the same thing.  Besides most Americans would not spot the difference.

A hell of a lot of other other countries formed that UNION of Republics.  You can bet if Scotland left the Union the Scots would be mighty pissed off if the British had a parade under the flag of St. George and pretended the scots didn't participate in the wars of the union.

I'd let the Russians be Russians.  If you have the right to own automatic  firearms and expect the rest of the world to respect that choice, then let them use what flag they see fit for their parades.  You're reading far too much into it.

Sure people died, but they also put the first man into space and other achievements.

You're the ones with faggot marriage and trannies on TV.  Russia has its problems, but a resurgence of communism is not one of them.

[JackoPaul]

I thought you guys would know better than to believe everything you read online and in the papers about the new Russian bogey man. That is no flag of the soviet union.



Click the attachment below and you can see there is yellow in the bottom corner of the flag. Also it is not solid yellow and looks more like embroidery to me. If the flag was held tight I am sure it wouldnt resemble a hammer and sickle in the slightest

[MeanGene]

For what it's worth I'm not convinced the flag in the picture is a proper Soviet flag. To be honest I really doubt that Russia could return to Communism (even with massive popular support) because there are just too many people in the country now who would stand to lose genuine fortunes in the process.

[JackoPaul]

from what i can tell the four flags are

Victory Day Flag (A historical battle flag)

A copy of the flag raised above Reichstag on 1st May 1945. Replicas of the Victory Banner can be used alongside the national flag on Victory Day.

Russian Ground Forces flag


Russian Air Forces flag


Russian Navy flag


So I dont think these flags imply Putin's intent to conquer Eastern Europe and reinstate the Soviet Union. But just in case lets order a few extra thousands tomahawks and B2 bombers that should bump up the companies share price.

[james03]

You're We're the ones with faggot marriage and trannies on TV.

Fixed it for you.

For the record I'm for closer ties with Russia and have given the Sakhalin Oil Field project as a model.

[LausTibiChriste]

A lot of old Poles I talked to missed a lot about the Soviet Union too.

That is surprising.  The Pole I knew from school hated the Russians and said the feeling was widespread in Poland.

Personally I think Poland would do well to align with the Russians, but always thought that grievances over the Iron Curtain and Katyn would stand in the way. 

Poland should have a bright future.  When I worked in Lithuania the Polish labor crew I had was the best group of workers I've ever known.  Quality craftsmanship and hard work abounded.

That's because Russia =/= Communism.

Yes, Poles do hate Russians generally. My Polish ex, whom I'm still friends with and is a very sweet and holy woman, turned into a straight up you-know-what when she found out I was dating a Russian.


Poles may hate Russians, but some of them miss the communism. I can see why, to be honest - everyone had a job, everything was secure, as my future MIL put it (although she is Russian) "We were poor - but everyone was poor too". I'm not apologizing for communism, but I can sympathize with why they would miss parts of it.

[King Wenceslas]

Before this gets into a love fest for the good old days of Communist Russia:

Pius XI on the Evil of Communism

March 19, 1937

Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever. Those who permit themselves to be deceived into lending their aid towards the triumph of Communism in their own country, will be the first to fall victims of their error. And the greater the antiquity and grandeur of the Christian civilization in the regions where Communism successfully penetrates, so much more devastating will be the hatred displayed by the godless.

[LausTibiChriste]

Who here is loving Communism?

[Maximilian]

KATIE HOPKINS: I came to Cuba a commie-hater ready to bury Castro, so why have I ended up praising him as a dictator whose people are in some ways freer than we are?

By KATIE HOPKINS FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 18:58 EDT, 29 November 2016 | UPDATED: 21:09 EDT, 29 November 2016

There has been much said about the death of Fidel Castro.

There was jubilation in the streets of Miami, where exiled Cubans celebrated the passing of a monster - a man who crushed them of any hope, silenced dissent and dictated a lifetime of poverty for its people.

And endless platitudes from liberals and the left, elevating Castro to an icon, a 'legendary orator and revolutionary' (Justin Trudeau), a 'champion of social justice' (Corbyn) who would 'remain forever in the hearts of progressive mankind' (Kim Jung Un).

I came expecting to uncover the truth behind the monster.

To mock the liberal press sat in Islington and Brooklyn, shopping at Whole Foods, cheering a man who even in death still has his people fed from ration books, searching about for milk.

To scorn the commie b*stard mentality where everyone is equal. If you are given equal share of virtually nothing, what exactly is there to celebrate?

To give voice to a people obliged into silence by a regime which has dictated a ten day period of mourning, just as it dictates every aspect of their lives.

But I have not found what I came for. I found something quite different.

It is not all pretty. The legacy of Castro on the daily lives of his people is a ruinous mess. Buildings searching for something to hold them upright, cars limping between one repair and the next, men openly offering their bodies for foreign cash, an exchange mechanism of sorts offered just as willingly by the women too - to earn the money to get by.

People queuing endlessly with their ration books, hoping for meat or milk, filling in the spaces with bread, patiently waiting by empty shelves.

I realise there are no shopping bags here, no people laden down with stuff.

Here the women carry one loaf, one bag of meat, one lime, one piece of fruit. Pieces of a difficult and time-consuming puzzle that is meal-time for a family.

And I wonder how they feel about squirrelling away through crumbling corridors to tiny rooms they share, hanging washing on their balconies barely clinging buildings. Falling, in slow motion over decades. Disconnected from the world - no internet, no cable tv, no power.

It is a country frozen in time. As if it has been hit by a nuclear blast - then repopulated with the hardy and determined. Finding a way to make things work amongst the rubble and ruin, a weird Orwellian nightmare.

But this is not a sad story either.

Because I found the Cuban people to be strong, and fiercely proud of their way of life.

Queuing in their thousands at the Revolution Square, I stood with them through the night as they waited in line. Queuing without complaint. Young and very old. Tiny babies in their Sunday best. Politely joining the back of the line, without hint of wanting to put themselves before others.

Many appeared to shed genuine tears.

'I'm devastated because it's as if my own father had died, he was like my second father. Everything we have, my education as a doctor, it's thanks to him,' said Maria del Carmen, 57, who had been standing in line since before dawn.

I went back early the next day. And again they were there. Fresh faces, prepared to stand endlessly in the heat to walk past his memorial in a square that has been central to Cuba's recent history, a place where Castro gave many of his lengthy speeches.

Among the mourners was Belkis Meireles, a 65-year-old civil engineer who arrived two hours before the start.

'I am very sad. I came to pay homage to our father, friend, commander,' Meireles said. 'He was a man who freed us and sent doctors and teachers everywhere around the world.'

Some quietly confirm there is a pressure to attend the government's many staged events. A elderly man reflects on the buses which used to bring people to this same square to hear Castro speak. Buses which a local representative of the regime was expected to fill. Or be accountable for the consequences.

There are many quiet mutterings like this. Of farmers given cows to tend for milk by Castro's government - but acutely aware of their fate if one should be stolen or die.

Of drivers, who failed to pull over at speed for the Castro cavalcade - gunned down out of the road.

Of the curious disconnect between the ability to access rudimentary healthcare and education but not a toilet roll or milk.

And of a country so dependent on the foreign currency, that tourists remain first class citizens, locals forbidden from crossing the threshold of hotels or tourist spots. A glaring inequality which makes me feel uncomfortable.

It is an awkward take on social justice. A perverse notion of 'progressive mankind', frozen in time, buildings falling to ruin, all equally poor beneath the upper echelon of military, government and foreign cash.

And yet, these people do seem to truly love the leader they lost - however flawed. A father figure, who abandoned their kind ways often, but whose love was constant none-the-less. An unfaithful husband, whose love was true all the same.

And for every chapter of history which proves him to be monster, there is another page which lives on. Enduring values which you can find in the people today;

Patriotism - manifest in their flag draped around shoulders, and precious currency - young women selling cakes, keen I take the notes home with me, to remind me of their country when I leave.

Pride - in a small island, the David to America's Goliath - who fearlessly prevails, against the odds.

And a strong sense of family, where people stand together, stay together, keep strong for each other to make things better.

A group of young men, appearing out of nowhere to make sure I received the correct change at a food stall, a woman offering me her umbrella as I queue in the sun.

I love what they have built here. I admire the invisible scaffolding in their society which keeps things calm amidst the chaos.

I find the freedom from things of our world to be as welcome as the endless freedom we are indulged with at home.

We have freedom to protest about everything, endless tolerance for multiculturalism which has translated to us living in Ghetto Kingdoms, systems of healthcare so sophisticated they will inevitably bankrupt themselves through our over-indulgence. Education systems so determined to support the stupid at the expense of the brightest, they are left to fail.

I wonder about it all.

We may believe we live in a sophisticated society enjoying more freedom than at any other time in history.

But I have come to understand how Castro giving his people freedom from all that might be a greater legacy after all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3984170/KATIE-HOPKINS-came-Cuba-commie-hater-ready-bury-Castro-ended-praising-dictator-people-ways-freer-are.html

[Greg]

The good side of communism is that you didn't have to watch your young women prostitute themselves to feed themselves.

I went to Cheb in the Czech Rep in 1991 and it appeared the entire town was a brothel.  German's streaming over the border for cheap sex.  Poland was much the same.

I was driving a converted Ambulance to Croatia at the time not a sex tourist. I was 23.

Capitalism is great if you are in the G7.  Kinda shit if you are not.  Rents are high, costs are high and you are a wage slave.  In some cases an actual slave.

It's better than broken socialism, but it's still shit.

[Greg]

Thanks for the above Mean Gene.  Looks like the second flag above to me with the crossed swords

[abc123]

The hammer and cycle was flying at the 2018 Moscow Victory Day Parade on May 9th.

You seem to be determined to push an agenda without much regard for facts. I'm reminded of this gem you posted:

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=19769.msg437247#msg437247

which you never responded to when called on it. Perhaps you need Russia to be the big, bad communist monster you imagine it to be so that your desperate clinging to some prophecy regarding her "conversion" will not seem like utter bollocks. Unfortunately for you Russia's spiritual state is on the upswing while the West continues to degenerate into nihilism and hedonism.

[james03]

 

My Polish ex, whom I'm still friends with and is a very sweet and holy woman, turned into a straight up you-know-what when she found out I was dating a Russian.

LOL.  2 strikes against you.  She might throw things at you.

[james03]

KATIE HOPKINS: I came to Cuba a commie-hater ready to bury Castro, so why have I ended up praising him as a dictator whose people are in some ways freer than we are?

What an idiot.  Is she going to write lovingly of the N. Korean dude who died and how the people were bawling?  Shows what reprogramming can do and why you need to keep your kids out of public schools (as if milleneal derangement syndrome is not enough to convince you.)  The NKs were eating bark and even resorting to cannibalism, and yeah they worshipped dear leader as a god who was delivered by a crane (bird, not cool mechanical device every man needs in his back yard).  There's a cool Youtube video of a guy that filmed what it was like in that country.  Pretty scary.

Cuba is probably the poorest country in Latin America.  It was propped up with Russian and later Ven. crude oil.  I can't imagine what that place is like now.  Speaking of Venezuela....

[mikemac]

Hey all I said was the hammer and cycle was flying at the 2018 Moscow Victory Day Parade on May 9th.  A little touchy eh.  Deny it all you want but ...


Rehearsal of Victory Day military parade in Moscow
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201805/08/WS5af0fc86a3105cdcf651c86b_7.html




Source - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5708585/Putin-warns-world-peace-fragile-Russia-Victory-Day-parade.html


Source - https://sputniknews.com/photo/201805091064286999-moscow-military-parade-victory-day-2018/