Is it sinful for men to dress as women for laughs?

Started by Josephine87, February 09, 2019, 04:34:50 PM

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This is probably one of my favorite forms of comedy.  But is it wrong?  Just curious.
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If women can wear pants I see no reason why a man cannot wear a dress, even seriously.
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Quote from: Josephine87 on February 09, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
This is probably one of my favorite forms of comedy.  But is it wrong?  Just curious.

With an audience that is (at least by and large) normal and not perverted I don't see that a little bit of it is wrong - it CAN BE funny (e.g. Mrs Doubtfire). The problem today is that sometimes the audience IS perverted (or easily influenced that way, in this pro-gay world).  I think it's  a little touchy, but although we should avoid giving temptation, what extremes should we go to to avoid "tempting" a pervert - e.g. should men never hug each other?

Some will say that men should never dress as women, even in occasional play-acting or joking (regardless of the audience), and that women should never wear pants.  I disagree, but this is based on my own understanding of morality and what is "too scrupulous" vs. what is "too lax". (Oh no, another pants thread?)
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Quote from: Matto on February 09, 2019, 04:37:43 PM
If women can wear pants I see no reason why a man cannot wear a dress, even seriously.

Scotland, and pretty much most of history, agrees.
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Quote from: Josephine87 on February 09, 2019, 04:34:50 PM

This is probably one of my favorite forms of comedy.  But is it wrong?  Just curious.

No, because the humor comes from the recognition that this is abnormal. It is not presented as something normal or to be emulated. Comedy comes from overturning the norms of society. By doing so temporarily, we are actually reinforcing those norms.

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I know it's not the same thing, but my mom used to watch those shows where the protagonists were gay men. She said she found it "so funny." That always angered me even as a child. I've met other women, even women opposed to homosexuality, who also think gay men in fiction are "funny." I never understood that and probably never will.

I can laugh at a character, a fool, who is supposed to be humiliated by looking like a girl, because as Maximilian said it is abnormal. Older depictions of this do it better. But in modern entertainment there is a line that is too easily crossed and it might not be to the character's shame.

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Quote from: Maximilian on February 09, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: Josephine87 on February 09, 2019, 04:34:50 PM

This is probably one of my favorite forms of comedy.  But is it wrong?  Just curious.

No, because the humor comes from the recognition that this is abnormal. It is not presented as something normal or to be emulated. Comedy comes from overturning the norms of society. By doing so temporarily, we are actually reinforcing those norms.

To me it seems as if such humor reinforces the abnormal by breaking the ice of taboo and associating taboo with good feelings.

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Socially unacceptable behavior is mocked, then pitied, then tolerated, then accepted, and finally mandated.

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I love the mom character  :cheeseheadbeer:  Not really answering your question though....
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Quote from: Gardener on February 09, 2019, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: Matto on February 09, 2019, 04:37:43 PM
If women can wear pants I see no reason why a man cannot wear a dress, even seriously.

Scotland, and pretty much most of history, agrees.

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Quote from: Reader on February 10, 2019, 06:56:19 AM

Socially unacceptable behavior is mocked, then pitied, then tolerated, then accepted, and finally mandated.

As was expressed poetically by Alexander Pope:

    Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
    As to be hated needs but to be seen;
    Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
    We first endure, then pity, then embrace.


Serendipity

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I am guessing this is a leading question.  If the actual question is - Is it sinful for men to dress as women to invade their private spaces such as women's refuges, prisons, sports, toilets, showers ad infinitum then yes I would say it is sinful as their faithless agenda is one of voyeurism and narcissistic affirmation.  Next question...

PS I am from Yorkshire and we tell it as it is....

Josephine87

Quote from: Serendipity on February 12, 2019, 05:18:54 PM
I am guessing this is a leading question.  If the actual question is - Is it sinful for men to dress as women to invade their private spaces such as women's refuges, prisons, sports, toilets, showers ad infinitum then yes I would say it is sinful as their faithless agenda is one of voyeurism and narcissistic affirmation.  Next question...

PS I am from Yorkshire and we tell it as it is....

It's not a leading question.  I despise trannyism.  But when men dress as women for comedic purposes (see below) I find it pretty amusing.

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Josephine87

Quote from: mikemac on February 13, 2019, 07:58:47 PM
Danny Kaye was queer, wasn't he?

Wiki doesn't say so. I . wouldn't be surprised considering Hollywood though.
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"My present trial seems to me a somewhat painful one, and I have the humiliation of knowing how badly I bore it at first. I now want to accept and to carry this little cross joyfully, to carry it silently, with a smile in my heart and on my lips, in union with the Cross of Christ. My God, blessed be Thou; accept from me each day the embarrassment, inconvenience, and pain this misery causes me. May it become a prayer and an act of reparation." -Elisabeth Leseur