Started by james03, February 03, 2023, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: james03 on February 03, 2023, 11:00:04 PMVery nicely done. The PhD's do a nice job explaining. The interviewer does a good job in keeping it at the layman's level.
QuoteScience is clearly on the side of Catholics.
Quote from: Maximilian on February 04, 2023, 07:34:29 PMI notice that Roger Penrose, the smartest man in the world, who used to be Stephen Hawkings' smarter partner, has recently come to toss out his skepticism, because the math simply doesn't work.
Quote from: Maximilian on February 04, 2023, 08:07:32 PMA few minutes later in the video, the Oxford mathematician describes an event he attended where the very famous astronomer Fred Hoyle stood up and announced that he reached the same conclusion: "The math simply doesn't work."
Quote from: james03 on February 04, 2023, 09:09:15 AMCell signaling. When you are dealing with an information machine you will need comms to transmit the information. Graphics aren't as good as some of the more modern videos, but it's still good.
QuoteThis was recorded in October 2022. Behe is still saying the same things about "irreducible complexity" - even using the mousetrap explanation - without any attempt to address well-known critiques.
Quote"Irreducible complexity" is basically an argument from ignorance
QuoteThe usefulness of the mousetrap example was that it captured the essence of the problem I saw for gradualistic evolution at a level that could be understood by people who were unfamiliar with the fine points of protein structure and function--that is, nearly everyone.
Quote from: james03 on February 06, 2023, 08:41:56 AMThe most famous of his examples is ATP synthase, which has a helical gear which matches the "knocker" used to actuate the assembly tool. Without the helical flights the knocker won't mesh and the machine will not function. And this is just one of many such problems with this machine, which is ancient.
QuoteQuote"Irreducible complexity" is basically an argument from ignoranceNo, it is a dead lock argument.
QuoteAnd this illustrates a basic problem with the Behe argument. Was it always as highly efficient as you imply, or did that efficiency evolve by natural processes from other things? You seem to just assume the former.
Quote from: james03 on February 07, 2023, 11:33:13 AMAnd thus we get to ATP synthase. You have an ion-turbine, helical timing gear, shaft, motor mounts with bearings for an estimated rotational speed of 30,000 rpm, an ATP stamping assembly, and an actuator bar attached to a knocker that meshes with the helical gear. [...] This is not "chemistry", it is nanotech.
QuoteYes, there are some parts that are critical to it working as a car engine
Quote from: james03 on February 18, 2023, 11:50:49 AMIt would be like an engine with a specialized, single purpose bolt with non-standard threads. Take a bolt with different threads that is a candidate for the evolution. But you have the nut or threaded hole that also has to match.