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Title: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on October 31, 2013, 02:45:35 PM
Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/10/plenary-indulgence-reminders-for-first.html

QuoteNovember, the month especially dedicated to the Poor Souls, begins tomorrow, with the most richly indulgenced week of the year - we could call it Indulgence Week, for the great generosity with which the spiritual wealth of indulgences is made available by the Church.

There are several plenary indulgences available for the first week in November. They are the following:

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For the faithful departed
§ 1. A plenary indulgence, applied exclusively to the souls in Purgatory, is granted to the Christian faithful who:

1° on each single day, from the first to the eighth day in November, devoutly visit a cemetery and, even if only mentally, pray for the faithful departed; [Note: one plenary indulgence for each day, if the usual conditions are met]

2° on the day of Commemoration of All Faithful Departed [November 2] (or, according to the Ordinary, on the preceding or subsequent Sunday, or on the day of the solemnity of All Saints) piously visit a church or oratory and there recite the Pater and the Credo.

(Reference: Enchiridion Indulgentiarum (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/tribunals/apost_penit/documents/rc_trib_appen_doc_20020826_enchiridion-indulgentiarum_lt.html), 4th edition, al. concessiones.)
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Jayne on October 31, 2013, 03:17:15 PM
Thanks for this. 
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 02, 2013, 11:14:07 PM
I'm bumping and pinning this until Nov 8.

Are you visiting cemeteries to free souls from Purgatory?

Quote from: Devotion to the Holy Souls in Purgatory, by St. Alphonsus Liguori, taken from The Purgatorian Manual"The practice of recommending to God the souls in Purgatory, that He may mitigate the great pains which they suffer, and that He may soon bring them to His glory, is most pleasing to the Lord and most profitable to us.  For these blessed souls are His eternal spouses, and most grateful are they to those who obtain their deliverance from prison, or even a mitigation of their torments.  When, therefore, they arrive in Heaven, they will be sure to remember all who have prayed for them.  It is a pious belief that God manifests to them our prayers in their behalf, that they may also pray for us.  It is true these blessed souls are not in a state to pray for themselves, because they are, so to speak, criminals atoning for their faults.  However, because they are very dear to God, they can pray for us, and obtain for us the divine graces.  St. Catherine of Bologna, when she wished to obtain any grace, had recourse to the souls in Purgatory, and her prayers were heard immediately.  She declared that, by praying to those holy souls, she obtained many favors which she had sought through the intercession of the saints without obtaining them.  The graces which devout persons are said to have received through these holy souls are innumerable. 

But, if we wish for the aid of their prayers, it is just, it is even a duty, to relieve them by our suffrages.  I say, it is even a duty: for Christian charity commands us to relieve our neighbors who stand in need of our assistance.  But who among all our neighbors have so great need of our help as those holy prisoners?  They are continually in that fire which torments more severely than any earthly fire.  They are deprived of the sight of God, a torment far more excruciating than all other pains.  Let us reflect that among these suffering souls are parents, or brothers, or relations and friends, who look to us for succor.  Let us remember, moreover, that being in the condition of debtors for their sins, they cannot assist themselves.  This thought should urge us forward to relieve them to the best of our ability.  By assisting them we shall not only give great pleasure to God, but will acquire also great merit for ourselves.  And, in return for our suffrages, these blessed souls will not neglect to obtain for us many graces from God, but particularly the grace of eternal life.  I hold certain that a soul delivered from Purgatory by the suffrages of a Christian, when she enters paradise, will not fail to say to God: 'Lord, do not suffer to be lost that person who has liberated me from the prison of Purgatory, and has brought me to the enjoyment of Thy glory sooner than I had deserved.'"
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: verenaerin on November 03, 2013, 06:13:18 AM
Yesterday the kids and I drove around to various cemeteries and said an Our Father, Hail Mary, and Glory Be for any sould in Purgatory. We also asked that for those who couldn't be freed at that time, that the BVM would bring them a glass of water to relieve their suffering.

I couldn't make it to a Church because I had all four kids by myself. So hopefully this alternative was pleasing to God.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Jayne on November 03, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
Great idea to pin this.  I visited a cemetery on All Souls day and should be able to every day this week.  It was raining so I spent most of my time praying in my car, but I got out and prayed among the graves for a little while.  I enjoyed how quiet it was. 

I noticed myself looking at the tombstones of people who died before Vatican II and thinking how fortunate they were to get proper funerals.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 07, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
Second to last day to free some souls from Purgatory!

Get to it!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 01, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
Stickying and bumping, people.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Cesar_Augustus on November 01, 2014, 12:43:37 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: red solo cup on November 01, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
Thanks K.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Rose on November 01, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 02, 2014, 11:33:22 AM
Bumping!

Don't forget to pray for the Poor Souls at church today!

And swing by a cemetery afterwards...  ;)
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: verenaerin on November 02, 2014, 02:17:22 PM
Every year the kids and I visit the cemeteries and say prayers. We don't even get out of the car. There are about 8 cemeteries around us I can think of. I look forward to doing this tomorrow.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Chestertonian on November 02, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
wish I could do this
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 03, 2014, 11:33:17 PM
Shameless bumping.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: MundaCorMeum on November 12, 2014, 08:30:25 PM
I hope this isn't too off topic, but is it authentic Church teaching that a single drop of holy water can release a soul from purgatory to Heaven?  I read that years ago, and since then I have always crossed myself twice with holy water each time I enter a church.  First, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.  Second, I cross myself and pray, "release a soul to Heaven." 
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: MundaCorMeum on November 12, 2014, 08:33:19 PM
Quote from: verenaerin on November 02, 2014, 02:17:22 PM
Every year the kids and I visit the cemeteries and say prayers. We don't even get out of the car. There are about 8 cemeteries around us I can think of. I look forward to doing this tomorrow.

This is a great idea!  I always feel guilty that I opt out of these types of things, because of the practical difficulties of doing it with so many littles....but, this I could do!  I'll have to put this in my bag of tricks for next year  :D
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Lynne on October 28, 2015, 09:30:03 AM
Bump! November is almost upon us!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 01, 2015, 10:57:32 PM
Bumping!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on October 30, 2016, 09:31:55 PM
This is apparently still stickied.

Bumping for this week!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: dymphna17 on October 31, 2016, 05:32:50 PM
 :pray3:
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 02, 2016, 04:30:45 PM
bumped.  get souls freed yall
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on November 02, 2016, 07:04:20 PM
Love you for this.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: John Lamb on November 03, 2016, 12:44:38 AM
It's really sad that this wasn't mentioned whatsoever yesterday at my church (Novus Ordo). Not even any mention of the souls in purgatory. It's even more sad than their insisting on not using the Roman Canon during the Mass, even on All Saints day the other day

QuoteI hope this isn't too off topic, but is it authentic Church teaching that a single drop of holy water can release a soul from purgatory to Heaven?  I read that years ago, and since then I have always crossed myself twice with holy water each time I enter a church.  First, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.  Second, I cross myself and pray, "release a soul to Heaven."

There's a really lovely old lady at my church who wets her fingers with holy water then flicks it down to the ground repeatedly. She says she does this according to the gospel concerning Lazarus and the rich man, where the rich man in hell complains that he has nobody to send him even a drop of water to quench his first. I think it's a good intention. I don't know what the Church teaches definitely.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 03, 2016, 12:56:20 AM
I've heard the pious tradition re: flicking holy water to the ground (I, personally, rub my shirt because moisture), but I wouldn't put much stock into it "freeing a soul" or anything. 
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on November 03, 2016, 04:23:38 AM
QuoteIt's really sad that this wasn't mentioned whatsoever yesterday at my church (Novus Ordo). Not even any mention of the souls in purgatory.

A disgraceful and tragic consequence of the crisis.  It's bad enough for us, the Church Militant, during these days of chaos, but for the Holy Souls, they've been totally forgotten and suffer so!  Justice in this regard will be mighty, and I fear for His wrath on those responsible. 
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: martin88nyc on November 03, 2016, 10:36:51 AM
I, for one, heard a brief but a very catholic sermon yesterday, about our obligations toward souls in purgatory. At our baptism we become family and so we should fulfill our duties toward them by prayer and other alms. Also it shows that our faith isn't based on personal relationship with Jesus Christ but also on relationships with souls in Purgatory and Heaven. Very informative and substantial sermon without going into detail.  :)
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 03, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
My local bishop gave a nice few comments on the poor souls in purgatory and how we really should pray for the dead. 

Great bishop.

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Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Elizabeth on November 03, 2016, 04:14:21 PM
By a stroke of Divine Providence, the old copy of The Purgatorian Manualfinally turned up!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Christe Eleison on September 11, 2018, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on November 03, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
My local bishop gave a nice few comments on the poor souls in purgatory and how we really should pray for the dead. 

Great bishop.

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:pray3:
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: JesusIsGod on November 07, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Gardener on November 07, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 07, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kreuzritter on November 09, 2018, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 07, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

No they haven't, they aren't sold, and you're clearly a Protty who has a false understanding of what they are.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: JesusIsGod on November 15, 2018, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: Gardener on November 07, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 07, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Gardener on November 15, 2018, 06:29:47 PM
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: JesusIsGod on November 15, 2018, 06:45:04 PM
Quote from: Gardener on November 15, 2018, 06:29:47 PM
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

(in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Gardener on November 15, 2018, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 15, 2018, 06:45:04 PM
Quote from: Gardener on November 15, 2018, 06:29:47 PM
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

(in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.


https://www.catholic.com/tract/myths-about-indulgences
ETA: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07783a.htm
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 16, 2018, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 15, 2018, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: Gardener on November 07, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 07, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.

Banned.
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Heinrich on November 17, 2018, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: Kaesekopf on November 16, 2018, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 15, 2018, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: Gardener on November 07, 2018, 11:40:04 PM
Quote from: JesusIsGod on November 07, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.

Banned.

BOOM!
Title: Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
Post by: Kaesekopf on November 21, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
We have like 9 more days of this concession of the Holy See to, if we haven't already, gain indulgences for the Poor Souls.

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2020/10/23/0545/01264.html
A Google Translate of the text, because I do not Italian.

QuoteDECREE

This year, in the current contingencies due to the "covid-19" pandemic,
the plenary indulgences for the deceased faithful will be extended for the whole month of November,
with adaptation of the works and conditions to ensure the safety of the faithful.

This Apostolic Penitentiary received not a few pleas from Sacred Shepherds who asked that this year, due to the "covid-19" epidemic, the pious works be commuted to achieve the plenary indulgences applicable to the souls in Purgatory, in accordance with of the Manual of Indulgences (conc. 29, § 1). For this reason the Apostolic Penitentiary, on the special mandate of His Holiness Pope Francis, willingly establishes and decides that this year, to avoid gatherings where they were prohibited:

a.- the plenary indulgence for those who visit a cemetery and pray for the dead even if only mentally, normally established only on the individual days from 1 to 8 November, can be transferred to other days of the same month until its end. These days, freely chosen by the individual faithful, can also be separated from each other;

b- the plenary indulgence of November 2, established on the occasion of the commemoration of all the faithful departed for those who piously visit a church or an oratory and recite the "Our Father" and the "Creed" there, can be transferred not only to Sunday preceding or following or on the day of the solemnity of All Saints, but also on another day of the month of November, at the free choice of the individual faithful.

The elderly, the sick and all those who for serious reasons cannot leave the house, for example due to restrictions imposed by the competent authority for the time of a pandemic, in order to prevent numerous faithful crowding into the sacred places, will be able to achieve the Plenary indulgence provided that, spiritually uniting with all the other faithful, completely detached from sin and with the intention of complying as soon as possible with the three usual conditions (sacramental confession, Eucharistic communion and prayer according to the intentions of the Holy Father), in front of an image of Jesus or of the Blessed Virgin Mary, recite pious prayers for the dead, for example Lauds and Vespers of the Office of the Dead, the Marian Rosary, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, other prayers for the dead dear to the faithful,or entertain themselves in the meditated reading of one of the Gospel passages proposed by the liturgy of the dead, or carry out a work of mercy by offering God the pains and hardships of their lives.

For an easier attainment of divine grace through pastoral charity, this penitentiary earnestly prays that all priests endowed with the appropriate faculties, offer themselves with particular generosity to the celebration of the sacrament of Penance and administer Holy Communion to the sick.

However, as regards the spiritual conditions for fully achieving the Indulgence, we remind you to refer to the indications already issued in the note "Regarding the Sacrament of Penance in the current pandemic situation", issued by this Apostolic Penitentiary on March 19, 2020.

Finally, since the souls in Purgatory are helped by the suffrages of the faithful and especially with the sacrifice of the Altar pleasing to God (cf. Conc. Tr. Sess. XXV, decr. De Purgatorio), all priests are warmly invited to celebrate three times the Holy Mass on the day of the commemoration of all the faithful departed, in accordance with the Apostolic Constitution "Incruentum Altaris", issued by Pope Benedict XV, of venerable memory, on 10 August 1915.

This Decree is valid for the whole month of November. Notwithstanding any provision to the contrary.

Given in Rome, from the headquarters of the Apostolic Penitentiary, on 22 October 2020, in memory of Saint John Paul II.